The Big conversation Why it matters

Looking at our small community we must remember that it is God Who calls and for what we can offer in our community He takes what we have and makes it go further!

  • Church is the place to bring empty lives for God to fill.
  • Church is about meeting not just meetings!

In our previous postings we also pointed out that some people may have a wrong opinion about unity and expect all people in a community to say the same and to act the same. But “being one” doesn’t mean “being a clone”. God blesses unity! And we should have and should share our unity in Christ and unity with Christ. All being one in following the teachings of Christ, believing what he says and following up what he asked his followers to do. Not just following a church because it pleases us but because it follows the teachings of the son of God, Jesus Christ, and stays truthful to the Words of God, following God’s Will and willing to share His Gospel. Our union should be in the love for God which should be noticeable for outsiders, being a union of loving peopleloving Jehovah God and His son Christ Jesus, Jeshua the Messiah, as lovers of the truth, sharing this love and Good News and spreading unselfish, mutual, unconditional Agape brotherly love and love for all creation under the Covenant of love as beloved disciples and as Bible lovers making a circle of love under the Royal Law of love.

Having different people coming together there should be allowance for every one to have their say. All gathered should have respect for all present and give them the opportunity to share their ideas. Being together it also must be an occasion where public confession, based on a word from God, can take place. This may demand courage to stand up and declare truth, but in a real church of God this should not be a problem because that has to be a place of sharing the love of Christ and working at getting the love of God.

Spending time together to study the Word of God, must do something to those present. Change is inevitable…

except from a vending machine

said Arne Roberts, on October the tenth, at the Big Conversation. For him it is clear what is going to happen to other Bible Students which all came form the same source.

Here’s what will happen to Jehovah’s Witnesses: They will become increasingly like the religious group that influenced Charles Russell: The Christadelphians

The Christadelphians were once an outspoken, vibrant, edgy “Christian” group who spread their urgent end-times message far and wide. They grew exponentially in the latter half of the nineteenth century, but their heyday is long past. For several decades now they resemble a heavy rusty old steam locomotive that is running out of speed as it lumbers along ill-kept tracks, but still tries to muster the motion needed to take on steep mountain slopes.

The Christadelphians ooze sad irrelevance and faded glory of times well passed. They are an old people’s religion – old people who don’t have the self- and other-awareness to see that they are clinging to a dead dream. The Christadelphians have long since passed their used-by date and the only ones who still ‘practice’ this religion are older individuals who cannot muster the strength to look out their windows at the real world passing them by.

This is the future of Jehovah’s Witnesses, who will not go out with a bang, but who will slowly whimper to an ever slower crawl as the decades pass and the world, in its infinite fascination with religious novelty, will fix its distractable attention on to other more modern belief systems.

For Arne Roberts that is not the end. He asks us to keep in mind that we are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.

We as followers of Christ should make sure that the Clarion of the Torah may sound. We hearing the sound loudly should make sure that there might be a stimulant for others in our community to become co-workers, helping each other, not working against each other, or not considering each other rivals. As individual beings, planets or stars, we may be totally different, but together we are one part of the universe, just some small elements in the creation of God.

Our meeting place in Heverlee, Leuven.
Our very tiny community at a Breaking of Bread gathering at our regular meeting place, the service centre in Heverlee, Leuven.

When people just not come to join others because they are part of a small community than that community shall never have any chance of growing. When people keep waiting before willing to join a small community because it does not attract them for it is so small that they shall be noticed, we do have to convince them that they should not hide themselves behind the numbers. It is true that when there is a small church people will be noticed. In a mega church nobody shall notice it when you come in later, slip out earlier, shall fall asleep or shall not be attentional. When we encounter such doubting people who are afraid to join a small church we can ask them

How long to wait before bringing religiousness and spirituality in practice

It is up to us that God is in our life and that we want to share it with them. They should not be afraid to feel having a naked identity it such a small group, because as followers of Christ Jesus we have abandoned our sinful ‘I’ and actually have taken an other identity, no identity of our own apart from our union with Christ. Not that we have no unique personality or value or purpose, but that Christ defines our new life. It is that inseparable connection within Christ as a believer, which unites us and in the love of Christ we found the love for each other and have to show the world that we want to share that love. When we fail to see our true existence in Christ and fail to find our life and, thus, seek it outside of Christ we shall become victim of our own vain pursuit that only leads to frustration and angst in our God-thirsty soul.

We must understand that whatever happens the majority of people will not want to take the divine Creator as their God and lots of people shall prefer to be part of the contemporary world, belonging to it, being in it, and enjoying a worldly philosophy, inventions of men designed to rob you of your inheritance (Col.2:8-10) and as such shall not be so much attracted to the Christadelphian world, which demands a change in their attitude. The friendship with the world is for most people much more important than the friendship with God loving people. Most shall prefer to stay in the Godless world having not to wonder about their own responsibilities.

It is up to the lovers of God to show the others the light of the world and that no one should worry to much about living in this world. When people could come to know that New world better they might think twice and be prepared easier to leave the Old world for what it is, looking forward to a better and perfect world. We understand it is not easy for man to get away with the worldly traditions, so this shall always be some of the obstacles to join or to stay in our community. But people should not be afraid that they cannot take part in worldly events in a Godless world.  Christadelphians for sure also can enjoy worldly life, having enough time fore worldly pleasures, and not to become frustrated under the yoke of the world.


Preceding articles:

Counting sands and stars

The Big conversation

The Big conversation follow up

Reasons why you may not miss the opportunity to go to a Small Church


Additional reading

  1. A call easy to understand
  2. Jehovah steep rock and fortress, source of insight
  3. How long to wait before bringing religiousness and spirituality in practice
  4. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love
  5. He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
  6. Many forgot how Christ should be our anchor and our focus
  7. The business of this life
  8. Church sent into the world
  9. Work with joy and pray with love
  10. Love for each other attracting others
  11. How do you keep people from stealing your joy?
  12. Love is like playing the piano
  13. Creator and Blogger God 9 A Blog of a Book 3 Blog about Prophecy
  14. Not all christians are followers of a Greco-Roman culture
  15. Misunderstandings concerning C.T. Russell
  16. Looking at older articles series over Russell on the previous Bible-scholar Association
  17. Was Russell and Rutherford “Illuminati”?
  18. Charles Taze Russell and what he started
  19. Jesse Hemery and the The Goshen Fellowship
  20. To remove the whitewash of the Jehovah Witnesses as being the only true Bible Students and Bible Researchers
  21. Using the name Jehovah but not a witness of that name
  22. Different approach in organisation of services #1
  23. Different approach in organisation of services #2
  24. Different approach in organisation of services #3
  25. A man from the North wanting to have control in Belgium
  26. Priority to form a loving brotherhood
  27. Commitment to Christian unity
  28. Parts of the body of Christ
  29. Dissolution of Bijbelvorsers (Bible scholars), Association for Bible study
  30. Two new encyclopaedic articles
  31. Who are the Christadelphians
  32. What are Brothers in Christ
  33. Discipleship way of life on the narrow way to everlasting life
  34. Christadelphian people
  35. Christadelphians or Messianic Christians or Messianic Jews
  36. About the Belgian Free Christadelphians
  37. What Christadelphians teach
  38. Small churches of the few Christadelphians
  39. Priority to form a loving brotherhood
  40. 19° Century London Christadelphians
  41. Breathing and growing with no heir
  42. Preaching to an unbelieving world
  43. Commitment to Christian unity
  44.  Parts of the body of Christ
  45. What part of the Body am I?
  46. The Church, Body of Christ and remnant Israel synonymous
  47. United people under Christ
  48. Fellowship
  49. The Ecclesia
  50. The Ecclesia in the churchsystem
  51. The ecclesia or Christadelphian church
  52. Our relationship with God, Jesus and each other
  53. Our ecclesia or Christadelphian-church
  54. Intentions of an Ecclesia
  55. An ecclesia in your neighbourhood
  56. Communion and day of worship
  57. Christadelphians today
  58. Small churches of the few Christadelphians
  59. Harvest in Belgium


Further readings:

  1. I Once Was Blind but Now I See
  2. Day 28: Where Are They?
  3. Day 28: Where Are They?
  4. Cornerstones
  5. Narcissist Case Studies – How We Know The Pharisees Were Narcissists, Part 2
  6. Jesus The Cornerstone Of The Church
  7. Hey You, Cornterstone! (Who???….me?) Yeah, You!
  8. God Is Not Human
  9. Where to Draw the Line: Culture vs Religion
  10. The Cornerstone: The Response of the Church in Violent Times
  11. Gospel Doctrine 2015 – Lesson 39 – “For the Perfecting of the Saints”
  12. Finding Joy in the Little Things
  13. Word Wednesday: Jesus Our Cornerstone
  14. The Cornerstone of Your Life
  15. Cornerstone
  16. Walking With Intentionality
  17. What is God’s Will For Your Life?


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