Scripture Word from God
“Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was reckoned unto him;” (Romans 4:23 ERV)
“20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation. 21 For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:20-21 ERV)
“And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly.” (Deuteronomy 27:8 ERV)
“For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that through patience and through comfort of the scriptures we might have hope.” (Romans 15:4 ERV)
“Write therefore the things which thou sawest, and the things which are, and the things which shall come to pass hereafter;” (Revelation 1:19 ERV)
“The spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was upon my tongue.” (2 Samuel 23:2 ERV)
“But the things which God foreshewed by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ should suffer, he thus fulfilled.” (Acts 3:18 ERV)
“And by a prophet the LORD brought Israel up out of Egypt, and by a prophet was he preserved.” (Hosea 12:13 ERV)
“24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s who sent me. 25 These things have I spoken unto you, while [yet] abiding with you. 26 But the Comforter, [even] the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be fearful. 28 Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe. 30 I will no more speak much with you, for the prince of the world cometh: and he hath nothing in me; 31 but that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.” (John 14:24-31 ERV)
“And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Isaiah the prophet unto your fathers,” (Acts 28:25 ERV)
“whom the heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, whereof God spake by the mouth of his holy prophets which have been since the world began.” (Acts 3:21 ERV)
“thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass.” (Isaiah 7:7 ERV)
“16 Every scripture inspired of God [is] also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: 17 that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17 ERV)
“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Father abiding in me doeth his works.” (John 14:10 ERV)
“And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:” (Ephesians 6:17 ERV)
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Continuing Paul’s Prayer Requests
Christ did not teach the apostles to give up to pray. Jesus disciples also assured their followers that they had to go to continue to speak to God . They could not give up to call on Him.
Jesus taught them in a parable that they always ought to pray and that they should not have to falter in doing so. There is παντοτε ‘pantote, which means that they really need to pray. We have every reason to approach God, thanking Him and questioning.
We should always pray, not lose heart and not get weary(Luke 18:1)
Thanks to Christ each of us can go directly to God the father.
Through him we have been brought by faith into this grace wherein we stand,and received the possibility to have direct access to Jesus his Father, to speak with Him as our heavenly Father.
By Jesus may we also boast in our hope of the glory of God. Moreover, we can be even proud of our trials, knowing that tribulation leads to perseverance and are proud in the hope of the glory of God.
And not only so, but we also glory in our tribulations: knowing that tribulation perfects patience in us; and patience, experience; and experience, hope. In prayer we can give expression of our hope and of our thankfulness.
Our prayers should be an act of the virtue of religion, the lifting up of mind and heart to God to adore, praise, thank Him, and ask Him for aid, an implied exercise of faith, hope, and, at least, initial love.
Vocal prayer is the simple talking, the speaking with God out loud; mental prayer is interior. Prayer is necessary , for salvation, the victory over temptation, the practise of virtue, the perseverance in grace. It is the ever possible and ready means of grace prescribed by God as the acknowledgement of God’s sovereignty, and man’s utter dependence on Him.
Prayer which man makes for himself will certainly be heard, if the proper things are asked, and the prayer is made with attention (excluding wilful distractions), sincerity, humility, confidence, perseverance.
But we can also pray for others. As such the prayer of faith shall be able to heal the sick.
We can confess our faults one to another, and pray one for another, that we may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man is powerful.
We can have private prayer that is made in one’s own name and public prayer made in the name of the community.
The spirit of prayer consists in the appreciation of the excellence, the conviction of necessity, and confidence in the power of prayer. We should never become discouraged to pray.
Maybe we do not know clearly how, where and when to pray. God has understanding for our ignorance. He has an eye for our faults and is willing to accept some rapprochement coming straight from the heart as honest.
Luke and Paul are convinced that man ought to pray, and they were convinced that God would listen to our prayers.
Prayer is a privilege given to us that we are to fulfil to the best of our ability as much as possible. In the acts of the apostles we can see that the followers of Christ also loved to repeat activities like to meet and pray at regular times. They also were convinced they did not give up because they had the hope that at a certain time, when God found it would be the right time, they were going to get the right answer to their prayers.
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us: for if we beseech Him to hear us concerning the things that we ask of Him, we are assured that we have already received from Him those things that we desire.
“I say to you, if he does not get up and give to him because he is his friend, he shall get up and give him as many as he needs because of his persistence. ” (Luke 11:8 The Scriptures 1998+)
God is not an unjust judge or a dispassionate father. Jehovah is a God of love. As a father to his children he will definitely want to listen. He also shall want to come nearer to His children and help them where He can. Provided He knows our hearts, He will see whether it is a sincere approach and whether our desires are founded. We must realize where we stand and should continue to get ready for the Kingdom of God. Never may we have to give up the courage to continue to work at our selves and to prepare our entrance to the Kingdom.
When we do suffer at the moment, we should remember we are not the only ones who suffer. We also should consider that the sufferings of the present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of all mankind waits for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For man was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who gave him free will in the hope he would choose rightly. Because man himself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labours in pain to this day. And not only they, but ourselves also, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, that is, the redemption of our bodies.
In Jesus we not only find our master but also our way to live in hope.
Jehovah God, the Creator of all things searches the hearts and knows what is going on in our heads. We should know that no matter what happens in our life, all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. So we should not have to worry.
As brothers and sisters in Christ we should feel united and come regularly together in prayer with one accord, with the women, like the apostles did with Jesus and Mary the Mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
When meeting we should pray, but also on our own we always have to pray, with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and in that prayer be should be watchful at all times, praying constantly and supplicating for all the saints. Not worrying over things; but always by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which passes all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Jesus Christ.
English: Sperindio Cagnola, Jesus Christ, John the Baptist kneeling and praying to God the Father (detail of the Last Judgement), 1514 -24, Paruzzaro, San Marcello Church (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Jesus has given us an example of a perfect prayer: the ”the Lord’s prayer” “Our Father.”
“Therefore, having been declared right by belief, we have peace with Elohim through our Master יהושע {Jeshua} Messiah, through whom also we have access by belief into this favour in which we stand, and we exult in the expectation of the esteem of Elohim. And not only this, but we also exult in pressures, knowing that pressure works endurance; and endurance, approvedness; and approvedness, expectation. ” (Romans 5:1-4 The Scriptures 1998+)
“For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the esteem that is to be revealed in us. For the intense longing1 of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of Elohim. Footnote: 1Lit. anxiously looking with outstretched head. For the creation was subjected to futility, not from choice, but because of Him who subjected it, in anticipation, that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage to corruption into the esteemed freedom of the children of Elohim. For we know that all the creation groans together, and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. And not only so, but even we ourselves who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, we ourselves also groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For in this expectation we were saved, but expectation that is seen is not expectation, for when anyone sees, does he expect it? And if we expect what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with endurance. And in the same way the Spirit does help in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray, but the Spirit Himself pleads our case for us with groanings unutterable. And He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the set-apart ones according to Elohim. And we know that all matters work together for good to those who love Elohim, to those who are called according to His purpose. ” (Romans 8:18-28 The Scriptures 1998+)
“All these were continuing with one mind in prayer and supplication, with the women and Miryam the mother of יהושע {Jeshua}, and with His brothers. ” (Acts 1:14 The Scriptures 1998+)
“And they were continuing steadfastly in the teaching of the emissaries, and in the fellowship, and in the breaking of bread, and in the prayers. ” (Acts 2:42 The Scriptures 1998+)
“but we shall give ourselves continually to prayer and to serving the Word.” (Acts 6:4 The Scriptures 1998+)
“So Kwas indeed kept in prison, but prayer was earnestly made to Elohim on his behalf by the assembly. ” (Acts 12:5 The Scriptures 1998+)
“Concerning this I pleaded with the Master three times to take it away from me. ” (2 Corinthians 12:8 The Scriptures 1998+)
“Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Messiah, greets you, always wrestling for you in prayers, so that you stand perfect{1} and complete in all the desire of Elohim. {Footnote: 1Mt. 5:48}. ” (Colossians 4:12 The Scriptures 1998+)
“praying at all times, with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, watching in all perseverance and supplication for all the set-apart ones; also for me, that a word might be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to be bold in making known the secret of the Good News, ” (Ephesians 6:18-19 The Scriptures 1998+)
“Do not worry at all, but in every matter, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to Elohim. And the peace of Elohim, which surpasses all understanding, shall guard your hearts and minds through Messiah יהושע {Jeshua}. ” (Philippians 4:6-7 The Scriptures 1998+)
“And the prayer of the belief shall save the sick, and the Master shall raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he shall be forgiven. Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, so that you are healed. The earnest prayer of a righteous one accomplishes much. was a man with feelings like us, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain. And it did not rain on the land for three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the land brought forth its fruit. ” (James 5:15-18 The Scriptures 1998+)
“And this is the boldness that we have in Him, that if we ask whatever according to His desire, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him. ” (1 John 5:14-15 The Scriptures 1998+)
“But the end of all has drawn near. Therefore be sober-minded, and be attentive in the prayers. ” (1 Peter 4:7 The Scriptures 1998+)
“Continue in prayer, watching therein, with thanksgiving, ” (Colossians 4:2 The Scriptures 1998+)
“Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in all circumstances give thanks, for this is the desire of Elohim in Messiah éäåùò for you. Do not quench the Spirit. ” (1 Thessalonians 5:16-19 The Scriptures 1998+)
“rejoicing in the expectancy, enduring under pressure, continuing steadfastly in prayer; ” (Romans 12:12 The Scriptures 1998+)
“And let endurance have a perfect work, so that you be perfect and complete, lacking in naught” (James 1:4 The Scriptures 1998+)
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When we pray for healing and wholeness, for reconciliation, for peace, we are praying for those things that God himself wants for his creation. And we can pray deeply, and fervently, and often, because as we pray we are drawing closer to our Father. As we draw closer, we develop a greater understanding of what God wants to do, and (be warned) what he wants us to do. - Intercessory Prayer (II) (frted.wordpress.com)
Realistically we know that we are not protected from all sorrows, we cannot avoid all grief, even through prayer and fasting. People while they were engaged in prayer, in churches, have been attacked and martyred. So our prayers also must ask for the strength to endure suffering. - Jesus’ Prayer for Us (dailybibleplan.com)
In the seventeenth chapter of John, Jesus prays an extended prayer for all of His disciples. He prays not only for the disciples who were listening to Him at the time, He also prays for all of us who are following Him today. In His prayer, He asks God for many things on our behalf. - Keep Praying And Never Give Up! (dmariepowell.wordpress.com)
Have you ever consistently prayed about something over, and over, and over again? Have you ever wondered if this was acceptable unto God? Perhaps you repeated your prayer request, because you thought you weren’t getting through. Well, I have news for You! God is very pleased when we Push (pray until something happens).
Listening and Praying to the Father
In Matthew 21:28-32 we are told about a father who had two children. Approaching the first, he said, ‘Child, go work today in the vineyard.’ Now, this child responded, ‘I will, Sir’, but did not leave for the vineyard. The father approached the second child and requested the same, who said, ‘I will not!’ but later felt regret and went into the vineyard. Now, which of the two did the will of their father?” The priests and elders answered, “The last one.” Then Jesus said to them: “I tell you this truth: Tax-collectors and the sexually immoral are going ahead of you into the Realm of The God. John came to you in righteousness way and you did not believe him. But the tax-collectors and sexually immoral believed him. Not you–though seeing you did not feel regret later and so believe in John.” (Matthew 21:28-32 MHM)
Which one of the two children do we want to be? Do you recognise the one who says yes but does not act, or do we want to be the one who at first says not going to do it, but changes his mind? Do we want to hear the voice of the Almighty one? Do we even listen to the voice of the Lord Jesus, who asks us to do the will of the Father?
Do we are selves take our own steps and go the way Jesus directs us?
There is only one person to whom we have to give the full authority and to whom we have to give our ear and heart fully.
Jesus, been tempted could resist and said to the Devil (the adversary), “Be on your way, Satan, for it has been written, ‘You shall worship YHWH/Jehovah your God and to Him only shall you render divine service.’”" (Matthew 4:10)
Your God:
By this Jesus infers that YAHWEH or Jehovah is his God otherwise the quote makes no sense as a response to Satan. Over two dozen times the Scriptures use phrases indicating the Nazarene worships his own God. “The God of our Lord.” (#Ephesians 1:3, 17)
It is only to Jehovah that we have to render divine service (The Greek is LATREUSEIS. Or, KJV: serve; RHM: divine service)
We have to fear the LORD of Lords, our God, and serve him, (De 6:13) and should listen to His wishes and His commandments.
By serving God, Jesus obtained all the earthly authority which the devil offered him, and heavenly authority in addition thereto (#Mt 28:18). So much better are the rewards of God than Satan’s.
The words “him alone thou shalt serve” need be recalled today. Jesus warned men against trying to serve God and mammon (#Mt 6:24). Jehovah had previously also brought His penalties over those who did not want to listen.
Jehovah gave indications that it was time to act. Also several prophets and Christian writers warned people. “Elijah came near to all the people, and said, “How long will you waver between the two sides? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him.” The people answered him not a word.” “(1Ki 18:21 HNV)
Evil or the devil, as the lord of the evil world, constantly tries to win men to the service of the world and God. This is his chief camouflage for destroying a preacher’s power for God. (The word in (#Mt 4:10) for serve is latreuseiv from latriv a hired servant, one who works for hire, then render worship.
Lots of people are in a position they feel secure because they take no parts. They are sometimes member of a denomination, though they have a lot of things they do not keep up to the rules of that denomination. (Compare in the Roman Catholic Church where the Pope has given a lot of rules, but which the majority neglect) A lot of the actions and feasts they hold are pagan and contrary to the Biblical teaching.
We do have to ask the question “How long shall we halt between two opinions?” If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him. (1Kings 18:21 JB2000)
We have to come out of the world the Earthly Matters, the World of Babylon the Great. We should not be partakers of her sins. (Revelation 18:4)
We should not afraid of them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)
Let our seed be sown in good soil, so that we really can hear the right message and understand the Words of God, given to us by the Holy Scriptures. By choosing a denomination who keeps closer to the truth then others, we ourselves can protect ourselves more. By choosing the right religion we can become blessed and become productive. (Matthew 13:23)
Keep watch on yourselves, or your hearts will become dulled by carousing, drunkenness and the worries of everyday living, and that Day will be sprung upon you suddenly like a trap! For it will close in on everyone, no matter where they live, throughout the whole world. Stay alert, always praying that you will have the strength to escape all the things that will happen and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man. (Luke 21:34-36)
When we want to follow Jesus, we do have to listen to his words. He also learned his followers to pray to his , their and our Father, with the words “ Our Heavenly Father (Pater Noster), Let your Name be sanctified.”
Clearly Jesus does not demand to pray to him but to his Father.
- Prayer invited
God has clearly indicated that His people should call upon Him in prayer. [1 Kgs. 3:5; 2 Chron. 7:14; Ps. 50:15; Jer. 33:3.]
- Prayer encouraged
The Bible encourages us to pray. [1 Chron. 16:11; Ps. 32:6; Prov. 2:3; Joel 2:32; Mt. 7:7; Lk. 21:36; Jas. 1:5; 1 Jno. 3:22 .]
- Response promised
As an encouragement to active prayer God has promised to respond. [Ex. 22:27; Ps. 34:17; Isa. 30:19; Jer. 29:12; Mt. 6:6; 21:22; Jno. 9:31 ; 1 Jno. 5:15 .] - Prayer answered
To emphasise that His promises do not fail, God has put on record evidence of His answer to prayer. [1 Kgs. 3:9,28 ; Ps. 34:4 ; Jas. 5:17 ; Dan. 9:20-23 ; Lk. 22:42 ,43 ; 2 Cor. 12:8,9]
We do have Christ as mediator between God and men (1 Timothy 2:5) who showed us the way to go directly to his and our Father. Already before Christ, from earliest times, there was such a two way communication by prayer, which we still can keep to practice our devotion to the Most High. (Genesis 1:28 ; 3:9)
Today we still can use the given model prayer “Our Father”.
Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Volume 1, page 615: “In the oldest version of this prayer, the invocation reads pater, (dear) Father, and indicates abba as the Aramaic original. This means that when Jesus gave his disciples the Lord’s Prayer, he gave them authority to follow him in addressing God as abba and so gave them a share in his status as Son.”
Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Volume 1, page 617: “The description of God as Father never refers to any other individual or to mankind in general. To be a child of God is not a natural state or quality. … In Palestinian Judaism of the pre-Christian period the description of God as Father is rare. The Qumran texts provide but a single example. … We have yet to find an example of an individual addressing God as ‘my Father.’ … Jesus did not teach the idea that God is the Father of all men. … It must have been nothing short of outrageous that Jesus should make use of the completely unceremonious Aramaic word abba.”
Let your Name be sanctified; Faithful Christians should honour the Name of the Most high.
Jesus does not use the opportunity to incorporate the noma sagrada or Divine Name (YHWH = Jehovah; # Exodus 3:15) in his model prayer. Jesus uses the words “your name” with reference to the Father rarely in the Synoptic Gospels. In John the Nazarene uses the expression at John 12:28; John 17:6, 26. However, he never uses or pronounces YHWH in these contexts. Why? In Jesus’ day the Jews refrained from uttering the name YHWH and substituted Elohim (God) or Adonay (Lord). The Jews never removed YHWH from its nearly 7,000 occurrences in the Old Testament.
About the year 1,000 CE Jewish copyists began to incorporate vowel points in YHWH to warn to say God or Lord in its place.
Does the Nazarene ever use YHWH? The Gospel evidence would indicate this could only be when he is quoting the Hebrew Bible. It is now thought that the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, known as The Septuagint (LXX), had YHWH untransliterated in the Greek text. There is a good reason for this. The Greek language cannot convert the Hebrew letters for YHWH. Modern Greek dictionaries use dzehoba or Iekhoba for “Jehovah” but original Greek did not have an “h” as it were, other than a breath sound. Modern Greek attempts to capture the sound of the English pronunciation of the name.
Given the attitude of the Jews what would have happened if Jesus used YHWH in quotes or normal speech? Certainly equal to that misguided accusation that he violated the Sabbath! Yet the Gospels are silent on this. What about private meetings with his disciples when the use of YHWH could not cause a public stir? Compare the lengthy closing words in John 13$ to 17. Not once does Jesus use YHWH even though he alludes to the “name” four times.
Given the facts that the Jews do not attack him for violating their understanding of one of the Ten Commandments and the absence of his use in private speeches and prayers, it would seem he respected the Jewish tradition of the time.
This does not minimize the importance of the “Name” as Jesus’ words in his prayer shows. The idea of this sanctification occurs scores of times in the Hebrew Bible. Compare Exodus 3:14, 15, 6:3.
Various renderings are: TCNT: May thy name be held holy; MOF: thy name be revered; PHI: may your name be honored.
Honouring the name of the Creator of all things is one way of bringing veneration to the Most High. Saying the words Jesus learnt us to speak, we can worship God with the Lord’s Prayer: “Our Father” and asking “Let your Kingdom come. Let your Will take place, as in heaven, also on earth. “
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“9 After this manner therefore pray you: Our Father which are in heaven, Hallowed be your name.
10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
For yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.”
(Matthew 6:9-13 KJBPNV)
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Statue of Saint Paul on Duchcov Castle
The Epistle is addressed to an ecclesia (or “church” if you prefer – the New Testament always refers to churches as congregations of believers, and not to the buildings where they meet) which was established by Paul on his first visit to ‘Europe’ as recorded in Acts ch 16. And it is very clear that this ecclesia had a special place in Paul’s affections – just read Philippians 4:13-18 to discover how much he appreciated their practical support for him when he had left them and moved on to Thessalonica. They were a loving group of people, and he obviously held them in high regard. But all was not well, and earlier in ch 4 we hear about 2 of the female members of the ecclesia who were not getting on together – obviously something had happened which resulted in them falling out. So he urges them to “be of the same mind in the Lord” – a simple appeal, but one which is uses language that takes us back to the earlier part of the Epistle.
In the opening chapter it is worth noting the emphasis that Paul places on them as a united group of people – notice the number of times he uses the little word “all”; 6 times in that 1st chapter. Inevitable there were differences which challenged that unity as we’ve already seen in ch 4, but he starts by emphasising the ideal. And then in ch 2 he will define for them and for us the basis on which unity of purpose and action can be achieved - by being individually united with Jesus Christ. Look at verse 2:
“Fulfil my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind”.
I’ve deliberately highlighted the word “mind” because it links back to the reference in ch 4. But it will also surface again in ch 2:5 “let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus”.
Let us now see what Paul will say to us about the “mind” of Christ = his attitude/outlook/disposition. He tells us that Jesus was “in the form of God”. For the majority of Christians here is confirmation that Jesus and God are one in person and substance – the widely-believed doctrine of the Trinity. But this passage does not say that Jesus was God – only that he was in the form of God and then became manifest in “the form of a bondservant” (v7). In fact it explicitly denies the foundation-stone of the Trinity because it says that Jesus did not ‘grasp at equality with God’. He came to show men and women what God is like – see for example John 14:8-9 – but he explicitly states that “My Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). Jesus’ mission was to perform a service to the human race, which could only be done by someone fully identifying with humanity in every respect. Read Matthew 20:25-28 for confirmation of how Jesus understood his own rôle. And see how that attitude of service is exemplified in the incident recorded in John 13:1-10 where Jesus washes his disciples’ feet – a job normally done by the household slave!
There is an interesting incident recorded in Matthew 12:15-21 where Jesus, having performed miracles of healing then requests that the beneficiaries of his healing touch do not publicly broadcast what he has done. There then follows an extended quote from Isaiah 42 where God is prophetically referring to the work to be carried out by Jesus as ‘God’s servant’; he was not to stand on the rooftops shouting out his unique status as the Son of God, but was quietly to go about his work of preaching the gospel – the good news about the kingdom of God available to both Jews and Gentiles (=non-Jews). That was the work of God’s “servant”. And what Jesus has achieved is:
Victory over sin – he was tempted like us to sin, but he never gave in to temptation – he was sinless (Heb 4:15) Victory over death – he died without deserving death, thereby earning the right to be raised from the dead, and creating a hope of resurrection from death for others associated with him (Acts 2:22-24, 1 Cor 15:20-23)
Philippians 2 becomes a summary of all that Jesus achieved, not by drawing attention to his legitimate status as the Son of God, but by making his life an extended act of service. He “became obedient to death, even the death of the cross”. The only other place in the New Testament where the obedience of Jesus is referred to is Hebrews 5:8 which, again sets aside his titular claims to emphasise his achievement:
A man who suffered, died and brought victory over sin - The Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, Son of God, Gathering and Protecting Mankind - 1562 Frans Floris (1519/1520–1570
Someone who is co-equal and co-eternal with God cannot ‘learn obedience’ – only someone who is fully experiencing the everyday realities of human nature. The same point is made in the way the passage in Philippians 2 concludes: because Jesus accepted the role defined for him by God as a servant:
“God has highly exalted him and given him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow…” (2:9-10). Jesus could not have been exalted by God if he were already enjoying the status of co-equality with God. The Father has always been greater than the Son, and will always be so (see 1 Corinthians 15:28). Jesus has now achieved a wonderful status through his voluntary submission to the will of his Father: he is at his Father’s right hand waiting for the instruction to return to the earth and beautify it by filling it with the knowledge of God’s glory (Num 14:21, Isaiah 11:9, Habakkuk 2:14, 2 Corinthians 4:6), or in the words of Philippians 2:11
And every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
No surprise, then, that Paul should introduce himself as a bondservant of Jesus Christ – sharing in the work of service to those whom God wishes to save. And we can now well imagine the 2 ladies at Philippi who had fallen out now understanding that if they are both trying to develop and manifest the mind of Christ then they must inevitably be reconciled to each other in order to participate in the work of ecclesial service.
“The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all” (4:23)
Steve Weston
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Preceding articles: Anointing of Christ as Prophetic Rehearsal of the Burial rites, Servant of his Father, Slave for people and God & A Messiah to die
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- Who was Jesus? Video
- Who is Jesus #1 Introduction
- Who is Jesus Christ? #1 What does the Bible say
- Who is Jesus #2 Jesus Christ, man who died
- Who is Jesus #4 Clear statements that our heavenly Father is his “God”
- Who is Jesus #6 Jesus prays to God
- Who is Jesus #7 Also. Trust in God; trust also in me
- Who is Jesus #8 Father greater than Jesus
- Who is Jesus #9 100% or not
- Who is Jesus #10 Jesus was tempted in every way
- Who is Jesus #11 What do famous people say about Him
- Who is Jesus #12 Conclusion
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- Da Vinci Code: Was Jesus Human or Divine?
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- Lord or Yahuwah, Yeshua or Yahushua
- Jesus spitting image of his father
- God of all Ages a simple book about God (D. Whitehouse)
- Jesus three days in hell
- Jesus and his God
- Jesus son of God
- “Son of God” – “God the Son”
- Christian thought: acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God
- Was Jesus Religious
- Clean Flesh #2 Purity of Jesus
- Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever
- Yeshua a man with a special personality
- How people see Jesus placed in history
- Good-News Jesus among the partisans
- The Word being a quality or aspect of God Himself
- Scriptures That Show That Jesus (Yahshua) Is Not Yahweh (Jehovah)
- One Mediator between God and man
- Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends
- Pre-existence of Christ #1 Look #4 Jesus – His Parents #2
- Pre-existence of Christ #1 Look #5A Jesus – Had to learn
- Pre-existence of Christ #1 Look #5B Jesus – The Creator #1
- Pre-existence of Christ #1 Look #5C Jesus – The Creator #2 Wisdom
- Can we not do what Jesus did?
- Christ entered our world to transform our lives
- Life and attitude of a Christian
- Practical Principles for my Life in Christ
- To belong to Christ= Christus toebehoren
- Prefering to be a Christian
- Are Christadelphians so Old Fashioned?
- Christadelphian people
- Concerning gospelfaith
- Being prudent – zorgvuldig zijn
- Parts of the body of Christ
- What part of the Body am I?
- Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father
- Every man’s work is always a portrait of himself
- How we think shows through in how we act
- People should know what you stand for
- If you want to go far in life
- A Living Faith #3 Faith put into action
- A Living Faith #4 Effort
- A Living Faith #8 Change
- A Living Faith #9 Our Manner of Life
- A Living Faith #12 The Love for Jesus
- Caring for to become Christ-like
- If Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life be
- How us to behave
- Followers with deepening
- Commitment to Christian unity
- Being one in Jesus, Jesus in us and God in Jesus
- Clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience
- A learning process for each of us
- Abhor evil. Adhere to goodness
- No time for immorality
- Our attitude at a difficult task
- Choosing your attitudes
- Attitude to others important for reaching them
- Act as if everything you think, say and do determines your entire life
- Remember that who you’re being is just as important as what you’re doing
- Not the circumstances in which we are placed constitutes our comfort
- Raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair
- Prefering to be a Christian
- Efeziërs 2:21-22 Church no longer holds a central place in many Christian lives
- Not liking your Christians
- To exercise blind-faith you must expel your honesty
- You only lose energy when life becomes dull in your mind
- Don’t judge each day by the harvest you reap
- Determined To Stick With Truth.
- I serve
- Turn the Other Cheek
- There is no such thing as a “Christian politics.”
- Only worhsip the Creator of all things
- Belief of the things that God has promised
- Rebirth and belonging to a church
- Ransom for all
- This month’s survey question: Why did Jesus have to die on the cross?
- Yesterday He died for me
- Understanding The Atonement
- How is it that Christ pleased God so perfectly?
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for our purposes we will say that “mind” and “attitude” are fundamentally synonymous.
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The opposite of having the mind of Christ would be to have the mind of the world (3:17-4:1). This is precisely what my first 4 articles were designed to illustrate. We cannot have both the mind of the world and the mind of Christ. - Indian River Baptist Church AM Sermon, April 15, 2012 – Jeff Gwilt: Philippians 1:1-5 (thelightheartedcalvinist.com)
- Paul’s Frame Of Mind (scripturenuggets.wordpress.com)
Before he was killed, a group of Jews visited Paul to get from him what insight they could. They sought to touch his “frame of mind.” They probably were not prepared for what they found: a frame of mind in line with the Kingdom of God.
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Paul’s Epistle to the Philippians was written while he was a prisoner in Rome. Many times he made use of the word phroneo, which means “to have a certain frame of mind.” We may conclude that in this letter he expounded in greater measure what we have in outline form in Acts 28:22-23 as he responded to the men who wished to hear his thoughts… - The goal is Christ! (waltbrite.wordpress.com)
when we, as pastors make it our goal to build and pastor large congregations; build up our ministries to a certain fame, we may be pursuing the wrong goal. For most of the people I know with this kind of notoriety, they didn’t go looking for it. The glory of God and the salvation of souls has been and still is their number one goal and pursuit.Like the apostle Paul,our goal should be Christ, how to please him, serve him, become like him and bring others along side of us. - Philippians 4:13 Bible Verse for the Day (momsfirstscreenn.wordpress.com)
Jesus begotten Son of God #20 Before and After
Preceding article: Jesus begotten Son of God #19 Compromising fact
The Anointed begotten Son of God
44. Before
““And now, esteem Me with Yourself, Father, with the esteem which I had with You before the world was.” (John 17:5 The Scriptures 1998+)
Prologue of the gospel of St. John from the Clementine Vulgate, edited by P. Michael Hetzenauer, O.M.Cap. Biblia Sacra, vol. V, Regensburg: Verlag Friedrich Pustet, 1922, p. 197.
“And the esteem which You gave Me I have given them, so that they might be one as We are one, “ (John 17:22 The Scriptures 1998+)
““Father, I desire that those whom You have given Me, might be with Me where I am, so that they see My esteem which You have given Me, because You loved Me before the foundation of the world.” (John 17:24 The Scriptures 1998+)
It is clear then that the glory which both Jesus and the disciples “had” is a glory in promise and prospect. Jesus thus prays to have conferred on him at his ascension the glory which God had undertaken to give him from the foundation of the world. John speaks in Jewish fashion of a pre-existing Purpose, not a pre-existing second Person. Our point was well expressed by a distinguished Lutheran New Testament professor, H.H. Wendt (The System of Christian Teaching, 1907):
“It is clear that John 8:58 [‘Before Abraham was I am’] and 17:5 do not speak of a real pre-existence of Christ. We must not treat these verses in isolation, but understand them in their context.
“The saying in John 8:58, ‘Before Abraham came to be, I am’ was prompted by the fact that Jesus’ opponents had countered his remark in v. 51 by saying that Jesus was not greater than Abraham or the prophets (v. 52). As the Messiah commissioned by God Jesus is conscious of being in fact superior to Abraham and the prophets. For this reason he replies (according to the intervening words, v. 54ff) that Abraham had ‘seen his day,’ i.e., the entrance of Jesus on his historical ministry, and ‘had rejoiced to see’ that day. And Jesus strengthens his argument by adding the statement, which sounded strange to the Jews, that he had even been ‘before Abraham’ (v. 58). This last saying must be understood in connection with v. 56. Jesus speaks in vv. 55, 56 and 58 as if his present ministry on earth stretches back to the time of Abraham and even before. His sayings were perceived by the Jews in this sense and rejected as nonsense. But Jesus obviously did not (in v. 56) mean that Abraham had actually experienced Jesus’ appearance on earth and seen it literally. Jesus was referring to Abraham’s spiritual vision of his appearance on earth, by which Abraham, at the birth of Isaac, had foreseen at the same time the promised Messiah, and had rejoiced at the future prospect of the greater one (the Messiah) who would be Israel’s descendant. Jesus’ reference to his existence before Abraham’s birth must be understood in the same sense. There is no sudden heavenly pre-existence of the Messiah here: the reference is again obviously to his earthly existence. And this earthly existence is precisely the existence of the Messiah. As such, it was not only present in Abraham’s mind, but even before his time, as the subject of God’s foreordination and foresight. The sort of pre-existence Jesus has in mind is ‘ideal’ [in the world of ideas and plans]. In accordance with this consciousness of being the Messiah preordained from the beginning, Jesus can indeed make the claim to be greater than Abraham and the prophets.
“In John 17:5 Jesus asks the Father to give him now the heavenly glory which he had with the Father before the world was. The conclusion that because Jesus possessed a pre-existent glory in heaven he must also have pre-existed personally in heaven is taken too hastily. This is proven by Matthew 6:20 (‘Lay up for yourselves treasure in heaven’), 25:34 (‘Come, you blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world’), Col. 1:5 (‘the hope which is laid up for you in heaven about which you heard in the word of Truth, the Gospel’), and 1 Peter 1:4 (‘an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, which does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you’). Thus a reward can also be thought of as preexistent in heaven. Such a reward is destined for human beings and already held in store, to be awarded to them at the end of their life. So it is with heavenly glory which Jesus requests. He is not asking for a return to an earlier heavenly condition. Rather he asks God to give him now, at the end of his work as Messiah on earth (v. 4), the heavenly reward which God had appointed from eternity for him, as Messiah. As the Messiah and Son he knows he has been loved and foreordained by the Father from eternity (v. 24). Both John 8:58 and 17:5 are concerned with God’s predetermination of the Messiah” (cp. Teaching of Jesus, pp. 453-460).
Note: Things which are held in store as divine plans for the future are said to be “with God.” Thus in Job 10:13 Job says to God, “These things you have concealed in your heart: I know that this is with You” (see KJV). “He performs what is appointed for me, and many such decrees are with Him” (Job 23:14). Thus the glory which Jesus had “with God” was the glory which God had planned for him as the decreed reward for his Messianic work now completed. The promise of glory “pre-existed,” not Jesus himself. Note that this same glory which Jesus asked for has already been given to you (see John 17:22, 24). It was given to you and Jesus whom God loved before the foundation of the world (v. 24; cp. Eph. 1:4). You may therefore say that you now “have” that glory although it is glory in promise and prospect, to be gained at the Second Coming. Jesus had that same glory in prospect before the foundation of the world (John 17:5). [39. Anthony Buzzard, editor of Focus on the Kingdom in” Jesus' Long-Form Birth Certificate Released by Luke and Matthew (and John), 2000 years ago, and Recorded in Scripture” (June 2011)]
45. After
Paul can say that we now “have” a new body with God in heaven (2 Cor. 5:1) — i.e., we have the promise of it, not in actuality. That body will be ours at our resurrection at the return of Christ. We now “have” it in anticipation and promise only. (“We have a building of God…” 2 Cor. 5:1). We do not in fact have it yet. This is the very Jewish language of promises decreed by God. They are absolutely certain to be fulfilled.
“For we know that if the tent of our earthly house, is destroyed, we have a building from Elohim, a house not made with hands, everlasting in the heavens.” (2 Corinthians 5:1 The Scriptures 1998+)
We do not have our foundation in the dust, but we do come out from the dust and soil and shall return to the soil. As the first man was made from the dust of the earth. He came from the earth. The second man came from heaven because he was placed in the mother’s womb by the divine power of the One and Only God. In the man who wanted to die for all other men we have the treasure of the Good News.
“But Elohim gives it a body as He wishes, and to each seed a body of its own. All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another of fishes, and another of birds. And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the esteem of the heavenly is truly one, and the esteem of the earthly is another, one esteem of the sun, and another esteem of the moon, and another esteem of the stars – for star differs from star in esteem. So also is the resurrection of the dead: it is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption; it is sown in disrespect, it is raised in esteem; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it has been written, “The first man Ad’am became a living being,” the last Ad’am a life-giving Spirit. The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. The first man was of the earth, earthy; the second Man is the Master from heaven. As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.” (1 Corinthians 15:38-48 The Scriptures 1998+)
Adcension of Christ Jesus, the son of God - A page from the Gospel Lectionary portion of the Bamberg Apocalypse (Bamberg, Staatsbibliothek, MS A. II. 42)
“For Elohim, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts for the enlightening of the knowledge of the esteem of Elohim in the face of יהושע Messiah. And we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the excellence of the power might be of Elohim, and not of us – being hard pressed on every side,1 but not crushed; being perplexed, but not in despair; Footnote: 1See 1:8. being persecuted, but not forsaken; being thrown down, but not destroyed; always bearing about in the body the dying of the Master יהושע, that the life of יהושע might also be manifested in our body. For we, the living, are always delivered to death for the sake of יהושע, that the life of יהושע might also be manifested in our mortal flesh, so that death indeed is working in us, but the life in you. But having the same spirit of belief, according to what has been written, “I believed, therefore I spoke,” we also believe, therefore we also speak, knowing that He who raised up the Master יהושע shall also raise us up through יהושע, and shall present us with you. For all this is for your sake, so that favour, having spread through the many, would cause thanksgiving to overflow, unto the esteem of Elohim.” (2 Corinthians 4:6-15 The Scriptures 1998+)
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It was once fashionable in religious circles to say that Jesus Christ would never return to the earth. There are still plenty of professing Christians who believe that. But there are now many others who have come to believe that the Second Coming is a very important event.
Christadelphians have always taught that the Return of Jesus Christ to the earth is vital to the fulfillment of the purpose of God. This booklet reviews Bible teaching about the Second Coming, both the events that will lead up to that miracle and the reason for the Lord’s Return. - Is the Trinity or pre-existence true? > How is Jesus Christ God?
Jesus, who came into existence as a man, is the firstborn of God’s new creation as Adam was the firstborn of the old creation. (1Corinthians 15:22: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive…. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made (by resurrection from the dead) a quickening spirit.”; Romans 5:19 “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”)
Christ’s genealogy through Mary in Luke is taken right back to Adam. (Luke 3:38: “Which was (the son) of Enos, which was (the son) of Seth, which was (the son) of Adam, which was (the son) of God.”) If Christ was to be the offspring of Abraham he had to come into being after Abraham. Abraham knew there was a saviour promised in Genesis 3:15. - Conclusion in who is Jesus Christ?Jesus did not physically exist before he was born of Mary.
1Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained (Greek proginoskw foreknown) before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
It is the same word as that used of all who will be sons (and daughters) of God.Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow (Greek proginoskw foreknow), he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
The same word is used in Acts 26:5 (knew); Romans 11:2 (foreknew);2Peter 3:17 (know these things before).His pre-existence being only in the sense that he existed in the plan and purpose of God before the creation of the world.
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- Looking forward to the return of Jesus
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Jesus begotten Son of God #19 Compromising fact
Forgoing article: #18 Believing in inhuman or human person
The Anointed begotten Son of God
43. A compromising fact
The Holy Trinity is more usually depicted with God the Father as an elder, God the Son as Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit as a divine Dove, as in Fridolin Leiber’s other work + The persons of the trinity are identified by symbols on their chests: The Son has a lamb (agnus dei), the Father an Eye of Providence, and the Spirit a dove.
““And this is everlasting life, that they should know You, the only true Elohim, and יהושע Messiah whom You have sent.” (John 17:3 The Scriptures 1998+)
““How are you able to believe, when you are receiving esteem from one another, and the esteem that is from the only Elohim you do not seek?” (John 5:44 The Scriptures 1998+)
“And one of the scribes coming near, hearing them reasoning together, knowing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first command of all?” And יהושע answered him, “The first of all the commands is, ‘Hear, O Yisra’ĕl, יהוה our Elohim, יהוה is one. ‘And you shall love יהוה your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first command. “And the second, like it, is this, ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ There is no other command greater than these.” And the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one Elohim, and there is no other besides Him.” (Mark 12:28-32 The Scriptures 1998+)
Several other “adjustments” became necessary under the revised doctrine of God. John was made to say in certain other verses what he did not say. This trend is well illustrated by the New International Version in John 13:3, 16:28 and 20:17.
“Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God;” (John 13:3 NIV)

Ascension of Christ – Giotto di Bondone (1267-1337), Cappella Scrovegni a Padova
“I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”” (John 16:28 NIV)
“Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”” (John 20:17 NIV)
In none of these passages does the original say that Jesus was going back to God. In the first two Jesus spoke of his intention to “go to the Father” and in the last of his “ascending” to his Father. The NIV embellishes the story by telling us that Jesus was going back or returning to God. A Son whose existence is traced to his mother’s womb cannot go back to the Father, since he has never before been with the Father. Jesus also does not go to a place where he was before as God, to be God again, but he goes “to” his Father to be “with” his Father.
“יהושע, knowing that the Father had given all into His hands, and that He had come from Elohim and was going to Elohim,” (John 13:3 The Scriptures 1998+)
““I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.” “ (John 16:28 The Scriptures 1998+)
“יהושע said to her, “Do not hold on to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Elohim and your Elohim.’ ” (John 20:17 The Scriptures 1998+)
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To be continued: Before and After (Parts 44 + 45)
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Jesus begotten Son of God #16 Prophet to be heard
The Anointed begotten Son of God
38. The Prophet to be heard
A prophet is a spokesman of a deity, one who proclaims a divine message. He is also an inspired teacher, preacher or poet. It is a foreteller (whether claiming to be inspired or not.) (32)
From the beginning God has given humankind His Word which was with them all the time by the word and writingsof the chosen men and prophets.
Jesus was also a prophet or chosen man of God. He was here on earth to teach religion, to give directions how we have to behave. He told us who his Father was and who our heavenly Father is. He also told us who we have to honour and pray to. He taught by parables or illustrations which could give us an idea what was going to happen. As a teacher he brought not exactly a new theory but summarised the old one, bringing a new cause. (33) As a Jew he taught first at the Jewish communities but his words where brought in the open air as well for all who wanted to listen. But God wanted us to listen to His son.
“While he was yet speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold a voice from the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; hear him.” (Matthew 17:5 Sawyer)
Jesus disciples went out to tell people about the happenings of this man they got to know better, and wrote down his history in the books we now know as the New Testament. Those who want to be a Christian should listen to those words in those books because they are words form the disciples of Christ Jesus and the words of Jeshua/Jesus and his Father. Not taking up these words is not listening to the disciples who were there to see and to believe. Not listening to those writings would therefore also be not listening to their Master Teacher Jesus Christ, the Messiah who was sent by his and our Father, and as such be a rejecting of this Father. By Jesus the prophecy of Isaiah is continuously being filled up in (or: for; by) them – the one continuing. Christ did not please himself, but did everything to please his Father, even at the moment he knew he was going to be handed over to die. (34)
““Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does them, shall be like a wise man who built his house on the rock,” “ (Matthew 7:24 The Scriptures 1998+) + ““And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not do them,1 shall be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand,” {Footnote: 1John 3:36.} “ (Matthew 7:26 The Scriptures 1998+)
““He who has ears to hear, let him hear!” And the taught ones came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” And He answering, said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the secrets of the reign of the heavens, but to them it has not been given. “For whoever possesses, to him more shall be given, and he shall have overflowingly; but whoever does not possess, even what he possesses shall be taken away from him. “Because of this I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. “And in them the prophecy of Yeshayahu is completely filled, which says, ‘Hearing you shall hear and by no means understand, and seeing you shall see and by no means perceive, for the heart of this people has become thickened, and their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their heart, and turn back, and I heal them.’ “And blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear, for truly I say to you, that many prophets and righteous ones longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.” (Matthew 13:9-17 The Scriptures 1998+)
““He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.” “ (Luke 10:16 The Scriptures 1998+)
“And when He had come to His own country, He taught them in their congregation, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this One get this wisdom and miracles? “Is this not the son of the carpenter? Is not His mother called Miryam? And His brothers Ya’aqoḇ and Yosĕph and Shim’on and Yehuḏah? “And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this One get all this?” And they stumbled at Him. But יהושע said to them, “A prophet is not unappreciated except in his own country and in his own house.” “ (Matthew 13:54-57 The Scriptures 1998+)
““But this is how Elohim has filled what He had announced beforehand through the mouth of all the prophets, that His Messiah was to suffer. “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which Elohim spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. “For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Elohim shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. ‘And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet1 shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ Footnote: 1Deut. 18:18-20. “And likewise, all the prophets who have spoken, from Shemu’ĕl and those following, have also announced these days. “You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which Elohim made with our fathers, saying to Aḇraham, ‘And in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed.’ “To you first, Elohim, having raised up His Servant יהושע, sent Him to bless you, in turning away each one of you from your wicked ways.”1 Footnote: 1See 2:38. “(Acts 3:18-26 The Scriptures 1998+)
“For even the Messiah did not please Himself, but, as it has been written, “The reproaches of those who reproached You fell upon Me.” For whatever was written before was written for our instruction,1 that through endurance and encouragement of the Scriptures we might have the expectation. Footnote: 11 Cor. 10:11, 2 Tim. 3:16-17. And the Elohim of endurance and encouragement give you to be of the same mind toward one another, according to Messiah יהושע, that with one mind and one mouth, you might praise the Elohim and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah. So accept one another, as Messiah also did accept us, to the esteem of Elohim. And I say that יהושע Messiah has become a servant of the circumcised for the truth of Elohim, to confirm the promises made to the fathers, and for the gentiles to praise Elohim for His compassion, as it has been written, “Because of this I shall confess to You among the gentiles, and I shall sing to Your Name.” “ (Romans 15:3-9 The Scriptures 1998+)
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32. Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary
33. Compare the meaning of prophet given by the Advanced Learner’s Dictionary of Current English, 2nd Edition p 717
34. “And He withdrew from them about a stone’s throw, and falling on His knees He was praying, saying, “Father, if it be Your counsel, remove this cup from Me. Yet not My desire, but let Yours be done.” And there appeared a messenger from heaven to Him, strengthening Him. And being in agony, He was praying more earnestly. And His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground.” (Luke 22:41-44 The Scriptures 1998+)
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Jesus begotten Son of God #11 Existence and Genesis Raising up
The Anointed begotten Son of God
26. Brought into existence
Anthony Buzzard, editor of Focus on the Kingdom writes in” Jesus’ Long-Form Birth Certificate Released by Luke and Matthew (and John), 2000 years ago, and Recorded in Scripture” (June 2011):
“The angel Gabriel in a compact and precise statement in answer to Mary’s reasonable inquiry about pregnancy in the absence of a husband gives us a clear picture that there would be special things happening in the future: namely first there would be the holy spirit coming over Miryam or Mary. Next, still in the absence of a husband the power of the Highest will overshadow her, and for that reason precisely (dio kai) the one to be brought into existence will be called (i.e. will be) the Son of God(Luke 1:35).By around 150 AD the philosopher Justin Martyr had so badly misunderstood this that he claimed that the Son engineered his own conception.Few Bible doctrines are supplied for our understanding and edification in such a comprehensive and comprehensible way, with “Son of God” given its exact definition. But here it is: This verse should have been allowed its monitoring and supervising position and authority as the perfect exposition of what Son of God means, and consequently who Jesus is and was. He is the Son of God, remarkably but hardly surprisingly because God was his Father by miracle. Jesus is thus son of Eve, of Abraham, of David, of Mary and at the same time of God. As Adam was also the Son of God by divine miracle and creation (Luke 3:38), so is Jesus Son of God. “God the Son” is out of the question at once, since the only and mortal Son of God, Messiah, was “brought into existence” some 2000 years ago, at a definite and predicted geographical location. Isaiah 7:14 had predicted this mighty event. It is unthinkable that Matthew and Luke knew of a “God the Son,” uncreated, who left heaven and walked on the earth, while a coequal God the Father remained in heaven. That would be an obvious doubling of God. (Modalist Unitarians, in a desperate attempt to hide a threatening duality in God, said “the Son IS the Father.”)”
27. The plot thickens
If one finds intolerable the need to say “He are one and they is three” (Dr. Millard Erickson, God in Three Persons, p. 270), what is our alternative? Suppose we agree with top logician Stephen Davis that “no one has yet been able to explain in what way God is one and in what different way He is three” (p. 258).
Viktor Vasnetsov. His only begotten son and the word of God. Preparation for a Vladimir cathedral frsco 1885-1896 Tretyakov Gallery
As we have seen in chapter 22 the aorist of the key word “beget” as pointing to the origin of the true Messiah, is the great key to understanding. In that famous saying in Psalm 2:7 the Messiah is defined by these words: “You are my Son. Today I begat you = brought you into existence.” That text reappears most reasonably in Matthew 1:20, as explaining the genesis of Jesus (v. 18).
“What is begotten [by the Father] in her [aorist participle of gennao] is from holy spirit.” Again in Luke: “What is to be begotten will be the holy Son of God” or perhaps “What will be begotten holy is the Son of God.” The sense is the same.
Then in Acts 13:33, if we consult F.F. Bruce and other commentary we find the Psalm 2:7 text applied where naturally it belongs, to the coming into existence, the putting on the human scene of Jesus, not to his resurrection which has a different proof text, in verse 34: “And as for the fact that he was raised from the dead…”
Bruce is insightful: “‘Raised up’ – that is by raising him up in the sense in which he raised David (v. 22). For anistemi in this sense, see 3:22; 7:37; 3:26 (‘raised him up and sent him’). The promise of v. 23, the fulfilment of which is described in 13:33, has to do with the sending of the Messiah, not his resurrection (for which see v. 34). The addition of ‘from the dead’ in v. 34 differentiates this use of ‘raise up’ from its use in v. 33” (Acts of Apostles, Comm. on Greek text).
A Trinitarian commentator amongst many was honest enough to admit the obvious here, although it does not help his doctrine: “The Apostle does not quote in Acts 13:33 the passage from Psalm 2:7 in order to prove the resurrection of Jesus, but his incarnation [he means here the beginning of his life in Mary]. The ‘raising up’ [the RV corrected the KJV], not ‘raised up AGAIN’ as in KJV, of Jesus spoken of in v. 33, is the bringing of the Messiah into the world for his mediatorial work.
Compare Romans 9:17, ‘For this same purpose I have raised you up.’ This incarnation was promised in the second psalm. Paul then proceeds (Acts 13:34) to prove the fulfilment of the promise that the Messiah would be raised from the dead, by quoting Isaiah 53:3 and also Psalm 16:10. ‘And as concerning the fact that he raised him from the dead…I will give you the sure mercies of David’” (Dr. G.T Shedd, Dogmatic Theology, Vol. 1, p. 327.)
After all “beget” does not mean to resurrect from the dead, but to become the father of, and we know when that happened already.
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with: 23. Coming down from heaven; 24. First spirit and then flesh & 25. Seed of Eve
+ The Seed Of The Woman Bruised
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On the Nature of Christ
If Christendom is astray as to the Father and the Holy Spirit, it is not wonderful that we should find it astray in its conception of the Lord Jesus who is the manifestation of the Father by the Spirit. Christendom believes Christ to be the incarnation of one of three distinct essences, or personalities, which are supposed to constitute the God-head; and that though clothed in human form, he was God in the absolute sense of being the Creator.
This is the doctrine of the Trinitarian section of Christendom, in opposition to which, another section believes that Christ was a mere man, begotten in the ordinary process of generation, and distinguished above his fellows by a pre-eminent endowment of the “virtues” of human nature, which fitted him to be an example to mankind. This (the Unitarian) view regards him as a teacher sent from God, and is in some sense the Son of God; but denies the essential divinity of his nature. Both these views will be found equally removed from the truth. The truth lies between.
Papyrus 69 or P. Oxy 2383 Marcion Gospel of Luke
The testimonies which teach the indivisible unity of the Deity, as the One Father, out of whom ALL things have proceeded, and who is supreme above all, even above Christ (I Cor. 11:3), are inconsistent with the Trinitarian representation of God. The supremacy and unity of the Father would not be affirmable if there were three co-equal personalities in His One personality—a doctrine which presents us with a contradiction in terms as well as in sense. Jesus emphasises the distinction between himself and the Father, in the following statements:—
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me” (John 5:30).
Again:—
“My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me” (John 7:16).
Again:—
“It is written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself; and the Father that sent me (the other witness), beareth witness of me” (John 8:17–18).
Again:—
“This is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God, AND Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent” (John 17:3).
The persons of the trinity are identified by symbols on their chests: The Son has a lamb (agnus dei), the Father an Eye of Providence, and the Spirit a dove. – Fridolin Leiber (1853–1912)
But the Unitarian view, still more so. Joseph was not the father of Jesus. He himself repudiated his paternity, and was about to put away Mary, his betrothed, when an angel came to him with this message:—
“Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife. For that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Matt. 1:20).
This marvel had been previously intimated to Mary by the angel Gabriel, as recorded in Luke 1:35:—
“The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee; and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee; therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
The Unitarian evades these testimonies by denying the authenticity of the first two chapters of Matthew and Luke. The reasons for this denial are altogether flimsy and insufficient: nay, they are bad. The evidence in proof of the genuineness of the (by them) rejected chapters is more than decisive: it cannot be answered: it is irresistible. It leaves no room for doubt or gainsaying. There is the united evidence of all the accessible ancient MSS. and versions, supported by the recognition of the very earliest Christian writers, confirmed by the internal character of the chapters and the necessity for the event which they narrate, to explain the character and mission of Jesus of Nazareth. Against this, there is the merely negative fact that the disputed chapters are absent from the Ebionite gospel, which at the time of its production was pronounced a corruption; and from the Evangelium of Marcion, a gospel which he wrote to suit his own heathenish notions, and from which he recklessly omitted, not only the disputed chapters, but everything that interfered with his peculiar ideas.
Baptism of Christ – Francesco Albani (1578–1660)
The first writer who mentions the Ebionites is Irenæus, who speaks of them as a sect not only separated from the general body of Christians, but who opposed the doctrines preached by the Apostles, and rejected, not only the disputed chapters, but the greater part of the books of the New Testament, rejecting all the epistles of Paul, whom they called an apostate from the law. They only made use of a Hebrew gospel, which they called Matthew’s, but which differs from Matthew in many particulars besides the two chapters. Here is a sect which rejected whole books of authentic Scripture, because they were inimical to their notions. How can a reasonable man accept such a sect as affording guidance on the question of the authenticity of two particular chapters absent from their version, but present in almost all other MSS. throughout the world? Their “Matthew” was impugned at the time. It was proclaimed a corruption of the genuine gospel, while the “canonical” Matthew, as we have it, was never called in question. Epiphanius thus speaks:—“In that gospel which they (the Ebionites) have called the gospel according to Matthew, which is not entire and perfect, but corrupted and curtailed, and which they call The Hebrew Gospel, it is written” (and he quotes), “Thus,” says he, “they change the true account into a falsehood … They have taken away the genealogy from Matthew, and accordingly begin their gospel with these words: ‘It came to pass, in the days of Herod, King of Judæa.’ ” Origen alludes to it thus:—“It is written in a certain gospel, which is called, ‘according to the Hebrews,’ if indeed any one is pleased to receive it, NOT AS OF AUTHORITY, but for illustration of the present question” (and then he quotes). He afterwards quotes this as a specimen of the same gospel according to the Hebrews: “Just now my mother, the Holy Ghost, took me by one of my hairs, and carried me to the great mountain Tabor.” This absurdity, and another passage, quoted by Origen, prove that the text of the Hebrew gospel, read by Origen, was not the same as our Greek gospel of Matthew, with which its friends suppose it to be identical. It differed on many points besides the first two chapters. The absence of the first two chapters of Matthew from the Ebionite and Nazarene gospels is of no weight in view of their rejection of Paul’s epistles, which even the Unitarians accept. The omission is accounted for in the way the rejection of Paul’s epistles is accounted for; the two first chapters did not coincide with their notions, and therefore they struck them out. The Nazarene and Ebionite copies of Matthew’s gospel not only omit the first two chapters, but in several instances they contradict the other three gospels of Mark, Luke, and John, whereas the corresponding passages in our Greek copy of Matthew agree with them, which shows which way the tampering has occurred.
As to Marcion, he omitted the two disputed chapters: but he also rejected the whole of the Old Testament, both the law and the prophets, as proceeding from the God of the Jews, whom he regarded as the creator of this world, in contrast to a higher Creator. As to the New Testament, he made one for himself consisting of only one gospel, supposed to be compiled chiefly from Luke, and only ten of Paul’s epistles, which are altered from the received version in numerous instances, in order to make the text more pliable to his gnostic notions. People who quote him against the miraculous conception are bound consistently to follow him in these variations as well. He did not admit Christ to have been born at all. Consequently, be begins his gospel thus:—“In the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius, God descended into Capernaum.” He not only omits the first two chapters of Luke; he omits also the account of John the Baptist, the baptism of Christ, and his visit to Nazareth. He also omits part of chapter 8:19; 10:21; 11, part of verse 29, and all of verses 30, 31, 32, 49, 50, 51; 12:6, 28, part of verses 8, 30, 32; 13:1–5: altered verse 28, omitted from 29 to end of chapter: 15:11–32; 17, part of 10–12: whole of verse 13: whole of 17:31–33; 19:28–48; 20, from 9 to 18: also 37, 38; 21:18, 21, 22; 22:16, 35, 37, 50, 51; 23:43; 24:26–7, and verse 25 altered.
Those who quote Marcion as an authority in the case of the first two chapters, ought to accept him as such in all these cases. That they disregard him in these cases is a proof that, even in their opinion, his authority is of no weight.
The divine paternity of Jesus would stand an unassailable truth, even if the records of Matthew and Luke had no existence. These records are, however, invaluable. They are the circumstantial illustrations of a truth which, though the nature of the case, and the prophetic testimony necessitate it, we could not have so clearly and satisfactorily comprehended without them. They explain to us the appearance and character of Christ, and make us privy to the divine method of procedure, from its incipiency onwards, in the most wondrous work of God among men.
That Christ was an example in the sense of being “holy, harmless, and undefiled” is beyond doubt; but it is also true that he was a great deal more. The speciality of his mission is so plainly stated as to leave no room for the Unitarian doctrine of moral example. “Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world, ” said John the Baptist, on seeing Jesus (John 1:29). How did he take it away? The answer is in the words of the apostle Paul:—“He put away sin by the sacrifice of himself” (Heb. 9:26). Jesus himself had said, “I lay down my life for my sheep.” Paul also says to Timothy, in the second epistle, first chapter, tenth verse, “Jesus Christ hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel”; a fact which is stated by Christ himself in this form, “God sent His Son, that the world through him might be saved” (John 3:17). Furthermore, Peter says, “There is none other name under heaven given whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12). Salvation is thus directly connected with the first appearing of Christ, and with what he accomplished then; not on the principle of moral stimulus supplied, but in virtue of the essential result secured by the course he fulfilled.

Incarnation of the Virgin Mary with the Three-Une God- Giulio Cesare Procaccini, Incoronazione della Vergine (Getty Museum) about 1604 – 1607
Leaving both Trinitarianism and Unitarianism, we may find the truth in the Scriptures for ourselves. The simple appellation of “Son,” as applied to Christ, is sufficient to prove that his existence is derived, and not eternal. The phrase, “Son of God,” implies that the one God, the eternal Father, was antecedent to the Son, and that the Son had his origin in or “out of” the Father to whom he must therefore be subordinate in a sense inconsistent with Trinitarian representation. “This day have I begotten thee” is the language of Scripture, dearly pointing to a commencement of days. This view is confirmed by the statement of Christ:—“As the Father hath life in himself, so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself” (John 5:26).
Christ, therefore, though now possessed of inherent life, had been invested with it; it is not in this case underived. It is only the Great Uncreate, the Father, that can say, “I am, and there is none else beside me.” Yet, though Christ’s is not an underived existence, it is more directly divine than the human. A man is an embodiment of his father’s mortal life-energy. Jesus was not born of the will of the flesh, but of God. He was begotten of Mary through the power of the spirit. This was the origin of his title, “the Son of God.” See the angel’s words to Mary:—“Therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” (Luke 1:35).
But, though Son of God, he was flesh and blood. “Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of THE SAME.… He took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren” (Heb. 2:14, 16, 17). He was made sin for us, who knew no sin (II Cor. 5:21). As he was in character sinless, this could only apply to his bodily constitution, which, through Mary, was the sin-nature of Adam. As Paul says elsewhere (Rom. 8:3), “God sent his Son in the likeness of sinful flesh.” “He was sent forth made of a woman” (Gal. 4:4), “of the seed of David according to the flesh” (Rom. 1:3). Jesus was “a man approved of God by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him (after his thirty years’ preparation) in the midst of Israel” (Acts 2:22). This is Peter’s description of him. Paul speaks of him as “the man Christ Jesus” (I Tim. 2:5). He was tried and disciplined as Adam was, but succeeded where Adam failed. “Though he were a son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered” (Heb. 5:8). This precludes the idea of his being “very God.” He was the Son of God, the manifestation of God by spirit-power, but not God himself. “The life was manifested, ” says John, “and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested unto us” (I John 1:2).
Again, in his gospel narrative (chapter 1:14), he says:—“The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth,” from which it is evident that Christ was a divine manifestation—an embodiment of Deity in flesh—Emmanuel, God with us. “God giveth not the spirit by measure unto him,” says the same apostle (chapter 3:34). The spirit descended upon him in bodily shape at his baptism in the Jordan, and took possession of him. This was the anointing which constituted him Christ (or the anointed), and which gave him the superhuman powers of which he showed himself possessed. This is clear from the words of Peter, in his address to the Gentiles in the house of Cornelius—(Acts 10:38)—“God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power; who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed.”
This statement alone is sufficient to disprove the popular view of Christ’s essential Godhead. If he were “very God” in his character as Son, why was it necessary he should be “anointed” with spirit and power? He did no miracles before his anointing. He had no power of himself. This is his own declaration: “I can of mine own self do nothing” (John 5:30). “The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works” (John 14:10). On Calvary, left to the utter helplessness of his own humanity, he felt the anguish of the hour and cried out, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt. 27:46). Before his anointing, he was simply the “body prepared” for the divine manifestation that was to take place through him. The preparation of this body commenced with the Spirit’s action on Mary, and concluded when Jesus, being thirty years of age, stood approved in the perfection of a sinless and mature character. After the Spirit’s descent upon him, he was the full manifestation of God in the flesh. The Father, by the Spirit, tabernacled in Christ among men. “God was in Christ,” says Paul, “reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them.”
The Lamb of God exhalted.- Cellar painting in Peace church in Schweidnitz (an Apocalyptic scene) – Photo Qasinka
When Jesus said, “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father,” he did not contradict the statement that “no man hath seen God at any time,” but simply expressed the truth contained in the following words of Paul:—Christ is “the image of the invisible God” (Col. 1:15); “the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person” (Heb. 1:3). Those who looked upon the anointed Jesus, beheld a representation of the Deity accessible to human vision.
Jesus declares things of himself which are held to sanction the idea that he existed as a person before his birth of Mary; such as that “he came down from heaven to give life to the world” (John 6:33); that “he proceeded forth and came from the Father” (John 8:42; 16:28); that he had “power to lay down his life and power to take it again” (John 10:18); that he “had glory with the Father before the world was,” and was “loved of Him before the foundation of the world” (John 17:5–24), etc.
It is evident, however, that we must understand these expressions in the light of the undoubted facts of Christ’s life and mission. These literal facts are that he was begotten of the Holy Spirit, and born a baby at Bethlehem (Luke 1:35; 2:5–7); grew up to be a man, increasing in wisdom with years, stature, and experience (Luke 2:52); remained the private and undistinguished son of Joseph the carpenter, until the power of the Spirit was shed upon him at his baptism (Luke 3:21–23): AFTER WHICH, he did the works and spoke the words recorded; that he was put to death through weakness (II Cor. 13:4); was deserted of the power of the Father when suspended on the cross; and that he was afterwards raised from the dead by the Father (Acts 2:24, 32; 3:15; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40; 13:30, 37, and so on).

Baptism of Jesus Chrits represented by a masterpainter from Lake Constance of 1466, with the Trinitarian idea of the Godheads – 1450 – Paris, Musée du Louvre, Département des Arts Graphiques
With these facts in view, we are enabled to attach the proper sense to statements which, in a naked and detached form, would appear to teach a personal pre-existence. For instance, when Jesus said to the Pharisees that he came down from heaven, he could not mean that the person standing before them had bodily descended from the clouds, as his words, literally understood, would have taught, and as the Pharisees appeared to have understood; he meant to say that his origin was from heaven. The “Holy Spirit” that came upon Mary—the “Power of the Highest” that overshadowed her, came down from heaven; consequently, the resultant man could, without extravagance, say he came down from heaven. The sense was literal as applied to the Power of the Highest that produced “the man Christ Jesus”; both at the stage of his begettal and the stage of his anointing on the banks of the Jordan, when the Spirit descended in bodily form and abode upon him; but not literal as applied to the man Christ Jesus.
When he said he proceeded forth and came from God, it was in the sense of these facts. He could not mean that as a person he had emanated from the very presence of the Almighty, but that the Father had sent him in the way disclosed in the record of his birth and baptism. John is described as “a man sent from God,” without meaning to suggest that John existed before he was born and sent.
When Jesus said he had power to take up his life after it should be laid down, he expressed the confidence that God would raise him. It was not power in the dynamic sense; but authority (εξονσια); he immediately adds, “This commandment HAVE I RECEIVED OF MY FATHER”; that is, the taking up of his life would result from the Father’s power and authority, exercised in accordance with the pledge given by the Father. Literally, Jesus did not take up his life; the Father raised him (see the references to Acts, three paragraphs back); but because it was the Father’s purpose, and because the Father spoke through Jesus (John 14:10), Jesus could appropriately say that he had power to raise up himself. An example of this style of language, in which what a person has a relation to in the divine purpose, is considered as under his control and referable to his power, occurs in Jer, 1:10:—
“See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.”
Literally, the prophet did none of these things, but was overpowered and slain, as nearly all the servants of God were; yet the things he predicted came to pass, and this is taken as a sufficient basis for the highly-wrought language above quoted, which imputes the result of Jeremiah’s predictions to Jeremiah’s individual operations.
Christ’s statement that he had glory with the Father before the world was, must in the same way be understood in harmony with the elementary facts of the testimony. The glorification of Jesus was a purpose with the Father from the beginning: and, in this sense, he had glory with the Father before the world was. This may appear a strained explanation; but a regard to the scriptural habit of speech will justify it, in view of the testified facts of the case.
The Lord said to Jeremiah (chapter 1:5):—“Before I formed thee in the belly I KNEW THEE; and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I SANCTIFIED THEE: and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” Now Jeremiah did not exist before his conception. Yet these words would seem to teach it, if understood as those who believe in the pre-existence of Christ, understood the statements about him. As a purpose Jeremiah existed; his person was as clearly present to the divine mind as if he had stood before Him in actual fact. This is the explanation of words, which, rigidly construed, would imply Jeremiah’s pre-existence.
Look again at the words spoken of Cyrus, the Persian ruler, more than a hundred years before he was born (Isaiah 45:4):—“For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name; I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.” The same remark applies here: Cyrus was present to the divine contemplation as really as if he existed. Hence a style of language which would seem to assume his existence before he was born.
On the same principle, the purpose to raise a dead man is expressed by ignoring his death, and assuming his continued existence. Thus Jesus deduces the resurrection from the fact that God styled Himself the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, at a time when these men were dead. The Sadducees saw the force of the argument, and were silenced (Matt. 22:31–34). The principle of the argument is expressed in the words of Paul (Rein. 4:17)—“God who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not (but are to be) AS THOUGH THEY WERE.”

Anointing – Priestly Code the high priest is anointed
The words spoken of Jesus are of this order. When he said in prayer to the Father, “Thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world,” he did not teach that he existed from “he foundation of the world,” but that the Father regarded him with love from the beginning, and that, therefore, to the Father’s mind, he was present. In the words of Peter, “He was fore-ordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times.” (I Peter 1:20).
The same style of language is adopted with reference to Christ’s people: “He hath chosen US in him before the foundation of the world.” Literally, this would prove the existence of believers before the world began, for properly, a thing must exist to be the object of choice; actually, it only proves divine foresight. The glory which Jesus had before the world was, was the glory which God purposed for him from the beginning. Literally, he had not the glory referred to before the world was. What was the nature of that glory—the glory Jesus received in answer to this prayer? HE—the bodily Jesus—the body prepared —that which was evolved from the substance of Mary and made the subject of the anointing—was made incorruptible in substance, and the spirit shed upon that substance so abundantly, that it made him more luminous than the sun (Acts 26:13), and gave him power to bestow the spirit, and control providence in heaven and earth. Was Jesus possessed of this glory before he was born? Was he a body anointed with the spirit before he was the body prepared? Was he a real resurrected Jesus before Jesus of Nazareth was born in Bethlehem? Yet this was the glory he had with the Father before the world was. It was a glory he had in the Father’s purpose, but in no other sense.
In the same way are we to understand the words, “Before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58). This was Christ’s answer to the incredulity excited by his statement, “Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it, and was glad.” The Jews thought he meant to insinuate that he was contemporary with Abraham, whereas he only meant to express the fact stated by Paul in the following words:—“These all (including Abraham—see verse 8) died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them AFAR OFF” (Heb. 11:13). It was this seeing of the promise of Christ “afar off” that made Abraham glad. It was the day presented in the promises that he saw, but, as they almost always did, the Jews mistook Jesus, and, as he was prone to do, he deepened their bewilderment by using another form of speech, which still more obscured his meaning, on the principle indicated in Matt. 13:11–15: a form of speech which in one phrase expressed two aspects of the truth concerning himself, viz., that he was purposed before Abraham existed, and that the Father, of whom he was then the manifestation, existed before all.
Jesus said, “I and my Father are one” (John 10:30). He could not mean, in view of all the testimony, what Trinitarians understand him to mean, that he and the Father were identically the same person (“the same in substance, equal in power and glory”), but that they were one in spirit-connection and design of operations. This is apparent from his prayer for his disciples, “That they may be one, EVEN as we are one.” The unity is not as to person, but as to nature and state of mind. This is the unity that exists between the Father and the Son, and the unity that will be ultimately established between the Father and His whole family, of whom Christ is the elder brother. When this unity is established, Christ will take a more subordinate position than he now occupies, in relation to the race of Adam. Paul says, “When all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all” (I Cor. 15:28).
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Robert Roberts. (1984; 2002). Christendom Astray from the Bible (On The Nature Of Jesus Christ p154–165). Logos Publications. (Re-edited by the Belgian Christadelphians (2011)
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How Christ Fulfilled The Promise.
In fulfilment of the promises of God, Jesus, as “the seed of the woman,” was born of the virgin Mary by the overshadowing power of the Holy Spirit. His mother was told:
“The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee; therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35.)
Christ had no corporeal existence before that point of time. Though he was in the mind and purpose of God from the very beginning, and in that sense was “with God,” be did not exist as a person until the “word was made flesh and dwelt among” the Jews 1900 years ago (John 1:14).
Unfortunately, confusion reigns concerning the person of the Lord Jesus, and his purpose and place in the plan of God, as a result of the reaching that claims be is the second person of a Trinity, or that he preexisted before his birth.
We ask that if the reader believes either of these doctrines, he suspend judgement upon what we have stated above, until all the evidence is before him. We undertake to explain any verse of Scripture in the light of the teaching we have set down, but we fail to understand how anybody can logically believe that Jesus and God are two persons and Net one, or that the Lord Jesus existed before he was born.
Jesus was born of his mother, and grew up to reverence God, his Father. We learn that he “increased in wisdom and stature and in favour with God and man” (Luke 2:52). This expresses normal development; but if Jesus were God such a statement is incomprehensible; or if he pre-existed, it meant that he must have forgotten everything he knew in his previous existence, and had to learn it all again!
Born of a human mother, he inherited the nature common to all mankind. This is a nature subject to death, so that the Lord was in need of redemption from death, just as much as those he came to save. He was subjected to the some trials and temptations as is mankind generally, but whereas all others have failed, be triumphed over the nature he possessed, and rendered sinless obedience to God.
Where did Christ derive the strength to conquer, whereas all others possessing the same nature have failed? The answer is: from God. God was his Father and a spiritually-minded woman was his mother, so that from birth the Lord inherited qualities that be was able to develop by his own independent freewill as he grew towards maturity (see Luke 2:40, 42–47, 52). In addition, he was granted the spirit of God without measure (John 3:34), and this quickened him in the understanding of God’s will and purpose (Isaiah 11:2–3; Luke 4:18–19). By these means, Jesus, who was the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth” (John 1:14), received strength that enabled him to render sinless obedience to the requirements of his Father, and manifest a character which reflected the Divine image (1 Peter 2:21–24).
This was necessary for the work of redemption, so that it is not solely the work of Christ, but that of the Father and the Son acting in conjunction one with the other. The Bible teaches: “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself” (2 Cor. 5:19). Jesus leaned heavily upon the Father, and God strengthened him, with the result that the fullness of the Divine character was revealed in a human body, that inherited the consequences of the first sin.
The lesson of redemption, therefore, teaches that we must seek a Strength apart from flesh, even that which comes from God (James 1:17), if we would develop a character pleasing unto Him. Moreover, such Strength is available to us, as Paul taught. He declared: “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me” (Phil. 4:13).
How The Seed Of The Woman Was Bruised On The Heel.
How mistaken they were was revealed three days later when he rose from the dead.
Why did God permit His son to die upon the cross? What was accomplished in his death? First of all, it constituted a public exhibition of what is due to flesh which the history of mankind has revealed to be evil and sinful in its tendency.
Jesus rendered perfect obedience to the Father, in spite of the flesh, not because of it (John 6:63). If Jesus had yielded to his own will instead of that of the Father, be would not have rendered perfect obedience “even unto the death of the cross,” for in submitting to the requirements of God, did he not say: “Not my will but Thine be done.”
Flesh which has proved so rebellious against God throughout the ages, could only be atoned for by one way: the shedding of blood (Heb. 9:22). The flesh of Jesus, hanging lifeless upon the cross, presents the lesson of salvation to humanity. Being of our nature, he had to conquer it in order to attain unto immortality. This he did by rendering perfect obedience unto God through the strength he derived from that source. In a figurative sense, therefore, he had crucified the flesh in life by controlling its desires, and subjugating his will to that of his Father. When, at last, he hung lifeless upon the cross, the struggle was at an end. In that final act of dedication, the flesh had been silenced for ever, and no longer could assert itself against the will of God.
The “crucified Jesus” is a public exhibition of what God requires of mankind if they would seek after salvation, whereas the risen Christ” is the symbol of hope for those who are “in Christ.”
Mansfield, H. (1997). Key to Understanding of the Scriptures (electronic ed.). Findon, South Australia: Logos Publications.
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When people say that Jesus came down from heaven they should know that all the good things come down from heaven.
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23. Coming down from heaven
When people say that Jesus came down from heaven they should know that all the good things come down from heaven.
“Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of turning.1 {Footnote: 1See Mal. 3:6.} “(James 1:17 The Scriptures 1998+)
“This is not the wisdom coming down from above, but it is earthly, unspiritual, demonic.” (James 3:15 The Scriptures 1998+) + “But the wisdom from above is first clean, then peaceable, gentle, ready to obey, filled with compassion and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.” (James 3:17 The Scriptures 1998+)
Also the food we eat, like our daily bread comes from heaven.
Two distict different figures Jesus the son of God and his Father the Only One God -Image via Wikipedia
““This is the bread which comes down out of the heaven, so that anyone might eat of it, and not die. “I am the living bread which came down out of the heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he shall live forever. And indeed, the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” The Yehud’im, therefore, were striving with one another, saying, “How is this One able to give us His flesh to eat?” יהושע therefore said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Ad’am and drink His blood, you possess no life in yourselves. “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood possesses everlasting life, and I shall raise him up in the last day. “For My flesh is truly food, and My blood is truly drink. “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood stays in Me, and I in him. “As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me shall live because of Me. “This is the bread which came down out of the heaven, not as your fathers ate the manna and died. He who eats this bread shall live forever.” “ (John 6:50-58 The Scriptures 1998+)
Jesus his flesh is as the bread which came down from heaven. As in our previous serious about language we see that several people also are caught in the “mad about my flat” language fallacy. As we showed the difference in meaning or understanding in different parts in the world, in the UK and the USA this means totally different things. They assume that “coming down from heaven” means that you were alive in heaven before you came down literally. But “mad about my flat” means “excited about my new apartment,” when English read this in their British environment and with British language habits in mind. So what does “coming down from heaven” mean in biblical idiom, which is Hebrew (hardly surprising) in style?
We may never forget we do have to read the Bible from a Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek view. Matthew being Hebrew spoke in his tradition and meant with such a saying that one’s origin is with God the Father (also Luke said that too!). It does not mean that one is a prehuman personage. Pre-human of course implies, if you think about it, non-human. And the whole point of the Messiah, Son of God, is that he is and must be a man, “the man mediator” of the lucidly clear statement of Paul in 1 Timothy 2:5: “There is one God, and one mediator between God and man, the man Messiah Jesus,” the second Adam. Paul is keen to offset any opposing idea when he says “the spiritual man was not first” (1 Corinthians 15:46-48). The earthly man comes before the second Adam who is the Lord Messiah — not the other way round.
“For there is one Elohim,1 and one Mediator between Elohim and men, the Man Messiah יהושע, {Footnote: 11 Cor. 8:6, Eph. 4:6, Mk. 12:29-34.} “ (1 Timothy 2:5 The Scriptures 1998+)
“The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. The first man was of the earth, earthy; the second Man is the Master from heaven. As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.” (1 Corinthians 15:46-48 The Scriptures 1998+)
24. First spirit and then flesh
In the 4th century strange ideas entered Christendom and certain Christians did everything to become on good terms with the men in power.
In 2 Clement 5:9 the original system was being suppressed by the philosophical notion that Jesus was “first spirit and then flesh.” That shift, documented by 2 Clement 5:9, meant that the historical Jesus was being swallowed up by a different Jesus. As Martin Werner lamented, “the historical Jesus completely disappeared” behind a Gnostic counterfeit figure (Formation of Dogma, p. 298).
A prominent spokesman for the traditional view that God is three Persons in one Essence (“three Whos in one What” as James White and Hank Hanegraaff maintain) writes: “Our Lord Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh. God tabernacling in human form. When I say that I believe in the full deity of Christ, that is what I affirm. At his birth our Lord Jesus Christ did not begin to exist” (Rev. Ian Paisley). So much for Matthew and Luke and John!
Anthony Buzzard wonders: “Putting on our Berean hats, what do we find? The origin, coming into existence of the Son of God was as follows (so wrote Matthew in 1:18): Mary was found to be pregnant under the influence of “holy spirit” — the personal operational presence and power of the One God, the Father. The result of the biological miracle worked in Mary is laid out for us: “What is begotten, fathered, brought into existence in her is from the holy spirit” (1:20). Mary would have had no difficulty understanding this very plain, unifying information, and nor should we. We might even risk being struck dumb for not believing, as was Zacharias.”
25. Seed of Eve
To bring any of the persons God foresaw in existence He uses human beings who, today, all come from the same forefathers: Adam, Noach/Noah and Abraham. In the line of David and Abraham came Jesus also into existence or “begat”, following God’s marvellous promise that the Messiah would be the seed of Eve (Genesis 3:15)[1]. In the Old Testament is written in the future sense that Jehovah our God would raise up to us a prophet from among the people to whom He spoke for generations. The priest’s due from the people[2], also would be one as the writer, to whom many would and should listen. In Old Times Jehovah had said. “I shall raise up a prophet to them from among their brothers, one like you; and I will put My Words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. And it shall be, whoever will not listen to My Words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it at his hand.” (Deuteronomy 18:15-19 LITV)
““יהוה your Elohim shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brothers. Listen to Him, according to all you asked of יהוה your Elohim in Ḥorĕḇ in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of יהוה my Elohim, nor let me see this great fire any more, lest I die.’ “And יהוה said to me, ‘What they have spoken is good. ‘I shall raise up for them a Prophet like you out of the midst of their brothers. And I shall put My Words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. ‘And it shall be, the man who does not listen to My Words which He speaks in My Name, I require it of him.” (Deuteronomy 18:15-19 The Scriptures 1998+)
The seed of Eve would also bring the descendant by bloodline of David.
““And now, say to My servant Dawiḏ, ‘Thus said יהוה of hosts, “I took you from the pasture, from following the flock, to be ruler over My people, over Yisra’ĕl. “And I have been with you wherever you have gone, and have cut off all your enemies from before you, and have made you a great name, like the name of the great ones who are on the earth. “And I shall appoint a place for My people Yisra’ĕl, and shall plant them, and they shall dwell in a place of their own and no longer be afraid, neither shall the children of wickedness oppress them again, as at the first, even from the day I appointed rulers over My people Yisra’ĕl, and have caused you to rest from all your enemies. And יהוה has declared to you that He would make you a house. “When your days are filled and you rest with your fathers, I shall raise up your seed after you, who comes from your inward parts, and shall establish his reign. “He does build a house for My Name, and I shall establish the throne of his reign forever. “I am to be his Father, and he is My son. If he does perversely, I shall reprove him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men.” (2 Samuel 7:8-14 The Scriptures 1998+)
God, in a precious moment of history, initiated the history of His unique Son. The Words spoken for many years could come into realization, could come the cause of the generation.[3] This was a Son through whom God expressly did not speak in previous times.
“Elohim, having of old spoken in many portions and many ways to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by the Son, whom He has appointed heir of all, through whom also He made the ages,1 {Footnote: 1John 1:3.} who being the brightness of the esteem and the exact representation of His substance, and sustaining all by the word of His power, having made a cleansing of our sins through Himself, sat down at the right hand of the Greatness on high, having become so much better than the messengers, as He has inherited a more excellent Name than them.” (Hebrews 1:1-4 The Scriptures 1998+)
The Elohim, Jehovah God spoke about a future because naturally since that prophesied Son was not then alive! Being not alive is also not being in existence, in life, in vigour.[4]
[1] (3:16) “And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her Seed, He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.” (Genesis 3:15 Complete Apostles’ Bible)
[2] ““And this is the priest’s right from the people, from those who bring an offering, whether it is bull or sheep: they shall give to the priest the shoulder, and the two cheeks, and the stomach;” (Deuteronomy 18:3 The Scriptures 1998+)
[3] See Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary for the word ‘begat’.
[4] Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary: in being
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Preceding article: Jesus begotten Son of God #9 Two millennia ago conceived or begotten
To be continued: Brought into existence + The plot thickens
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- How is the manna that God rained down on the Israelites a type for the Eucharist (wiki.answers.com)
Manna was food (bread) from heaven which sustained the Israelites in the wilderness. The Bible emphasizes that God caused manna to appear at the right time and place to meet His people’s needs. Jesus assured the Jews that He, and not the wilderness food, was the true Bread from heaven that conferred eternal life on those who partook of it (John 6:30-58). - The Bread and the Wine are Better Than the Manna and the Water (thekingspresence.wordpress.com)
The manna was provided by God straight from heaven. Likewise, the water came out of the rock that followed the Israelites in the wilderness. Both were God’s provision for the Israelites and shadows of Christ. - John 6 (mybiblereadingplan.wordpress.com)
This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
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This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
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Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. - Soaked (refusingtotiptoe.com)
Coveting the nourishment of life from the Bread of Heaven. Satiated by the Manna. Permeating His existence. - What About Our Spiritual Life (verticalviewer.wordpress.com)
- This Week’s Torah Portion – Bereishit (In The Beginning) (terri0729.wordpress.com)
The Hebrew for bread of life is ‘lechem chayim.’ Yeshua was even born in
the house of bread (Beit lechem) usually called Beth-lehem in English.
This special braided bread called challah is eaten on the Sabbath
(Shabbat) and holidays. To commemorate the double portion of manna
that fell the day before the Sabbath in the wilderness, traditionally, two
loaves are on the Shabbat table.When we begin to understand Yeshua (Jesus) in His Hebraic, Jewish
cultural and Hebrew linguistic context, we not only understand the
Brit Chadashah (New Testament) more fully, but we are better equipped to
share the Word of God.
Self inflicted misery #7 Good news to our suffering
Self inflicted misery to bear
7. Good news to our suffering
As the apostles also made it clear to us we have the good news on which our faith should be based. Listening and believing in this gospel which is preached unto us we should have our foundation.
If the gospel is fixed in our minds, and if our faith in it is not without effect or without cause, we can be sure that though we have to suffer now, there shall come a time when suffering shall all be gone.
Paul also wrote: “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2) and we may be assured that we do not have to believe in vain. We not only have to see then that God is good but also that His rules are fixed: to those who were put away he was hard, but to us He has been good, on the condition that we keep in His mercy; if not, we will be cut off as they were.
In these last days the Creator of all things has spoken to us through his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things. We should listen to this Father and to the one whom God has chosen to possess all things at the end. (Hebrews 1:2) God does not want sacrifices and offerings, and He is not pleased with animals burnt whole on the altar or with sacrifices to take away sins. (Hebrews 10:5-6)
The Lord of lords Jehovah has been willing to give us understanding. We should not rebel or turn away from Him. In case we do have to suffer today let us offer our back to those who give us blows, and our face to those who are pulling out our hair. That we would not be afraid to those who beat us and not stop them when they insult us or spat us in our face.
“The Lord Yahweh has opened my ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back. I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.” (Isaiah 50:5-6 KJBPNV)
Let us obey the will of the one who sent Jesus and to finish the work he gave him to do, giving the task to let the Lord be known and to bring the Gospel of the Good News.
Proclaiming the Gospel we as the children of God are directed by our Heavenly Father as a spiritual training, and as such our endurance can be the expression of His love. We can take His encouraging words at heart.
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continues: Self inflicted misery #8 Pruning to strengthen us
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- good news… (carmonthomas.wordpress.com)
We must trust the God in these men to have passed down the accurate Word for us. These men had in mind to spread the gospel.Do I go and try to alleviate suffering or preach the good news? Or both? Are they mutually exclusive? Jesus healed the sick, the lame,and gave sight to the blind. Why? Jesus is the outflowing of God. (Think solar wind or sun rays.) My paraphrase or memorization of a verse Hebrews in the Amplified version. This tells me that God cares about our infirmities and has a cure for them. Jesus went person to person to make up for shortcomings, lameness, deafness, blindness, illness and death. He still does. (‘nother story.) But, He also told them the truth. If we follow Him, we will be treated like Him. He’ll make sure we are fed and clothed, we will be in His Presence….but the world will hate us. - What is the Gospel? (garyeugenehill.wordpress.com)
- The Gospel (allsufficientgrace.wordpress.com)
The term gospel is found ninety-nine times in the NASB and ninety-two times in the NET Bible. In the Greek New Testament, gospel is the translation of the Greek noun euangelion (occurring 76 times) “good news,” and the verb euangelizo (occurring 54 times), meaning “to bring or announce good news.”In 1 Corinthians 15:1-8, the apostle Paul summarizes the most basic ingredients of the gospel message, namely, the death, burial, resurrection, and appearances of the resurrected Christ.- “the gospel of God” (Mk 1:14, ASV; Rom 15:16),
- “the gospel of Jesus Christ,” (Mk 1:1; I Cor 9:12),
- “the gospel of his Son” (Rom 1:9),
- “the gospel of the kingdom “ (Mt 4:23; 9:35; 24:14),
- “the gospel of the grace of God” (Acts 20:24),
- “the gospel of the glory of Christ” (II Cor 4:4, ASV),
- “the gospel of peace” (Eph 6:15),
- “an eternal gospel” (Rev 14:6, RSV).
- Although distinctive aspects of the message are indicated by the various modifiers, the gospel is essentially one. Paul speaks of “another gospel” which is not an equivalent, for the gospel of God is His revelation, not the result of discovery (Gal 1:6–11).
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Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words says the English word gospel denotes the good tidings of the kingdom of God and salvation through Christ and what He did, which is to be received by faith alone.
Self inflicted misery #3 A man given to suffer for us
Self inflicted misery to bear
3. A man given to suffer for us
About 2000 years ago a man named Jesus was born in the town of Bethlehem in the land of Israel. His birth, mission, death and resurrection were foretold by the prophets of the Old Testament of the Bible and revealed to us by the writers of the New Testament.
Jesus lived among his fellow Jews during a time when the boundaries of the Roman Empire included the land of Israel. He preached and performed miracles for three-and-a-half years until he was crucified by the Romans. He died on a wooden stake and was buried in a tomb.
Did Jesus die in vain?
The Father said: “Not so!”
He found the work to be complete
Which was performed upon the tree;
And gave a royal seat.
In accepting suffering in obedience to the will of God Jesus raised it to a new plane, and showed it no longer as the greatest evil but as a means to an end: for through suffering, in his perfect obedience to God, the son of God, Jesus Christ overcame the power of sin in human nature, and so made possible resurrection from the dead to eternal life with the Father. In this the promised Messiah obtained perfection, a tried and tested faith, completeness in obedience, wholeness in the love of God and the service of man—an example to all his followers.
Now Jesus was made perfect and has become the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey him.
“And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all those who obey Him,” (Hebrews 5:9 KJ21)
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Continues: Self inflicted misery #4 To whom to listen
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