The last few weeks we have brought here some articles which caused the eyebrows to frown by some people. When so used to hear regularly church doctrines it often looks weird to hear contrary Biblical doctrines. Though it are those Biblical doctrines Christians should follow.
Churches and teachings
The majority of people in Christendom loves to follow a certain church and are not so concerned if that church is really following the Biblical teachings. In a lot of churches not much time is given to read and study the Bible. Often just a few paragraphs or only a few phrases are read or quoted. Often the church-members are convinced only theologians can fully understand and explain the Bible. But Christians should know that God has given His Word for everybody. Each person when willing to listen to that Word shall be able to see the Biblical Truth.
In the main churches there are a lot of preachers who tell the people that faith can not come by hearing. They do not believe that by hearing God’s Word people shall feel being called by God and shall be coming to more knowledge. You should know it is just that Book of books that is the best guide for people to come to God. if people would look as much in that book as they look at the messages from their cellphone, a lot would be much wiser concerning the matters of faith.
A guide for life
Those who think they need to read a lot of theological works to become a good Christian do forget the value of the most precious Book, the Bible, the infallible Word of God. The Bible itself reveals what is important and essential to the Christian faith. From the “Key to the Bible” articles you could read about those essentials, like there being Only One True God Who is One. Essential to know is that This God of gods has sent His only begotten beloved son to earth to proof that man is capable to keep to God’s Wishes. That son of man, being seen and heard by many, was a special preacher and wonder worker, doing many miracles in the name of God. Essential for your faith is to believe that this rabbi was authorised by God to speak and act in His Name. His public life may have been very short, only three years, but he presented to the world a perfect life, obedient death, and glorious resurrection. It is by his act of totally following God’s Will and by giving himself as a ransom price for the sins of all people that salvation has come over man by God’s grace and not by works. But that does not mean that people do not have to do any works and would be able to enter the Kingdom of God when they would ignore God’s commandments.
The Oneness of God, salvation through Jesus Christ, the resurrection of Christ, the Gospel, monotheism are the main “essentials” that we should understand and believe if we are followers of Jesus Christ.
As followers of Jesus Christ this shall have to mean you are prepared to follow Jesus his teachings and to become one with him and with God and with like-minded souls (other followers of Christ), like he is one with his heavenly Father.
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith — and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9).
That Grace of salvation has come unto us through Jesus Christ alone. He is our saviour and the way to God. For the time being all roads still shall bring us to face the end of our life. By death we shall have paid for our sins. Eventually, we are all going to stand before the throne of God and before the judge Christ, when we shall be resurrected from the dead, no matter what faith we are. It is there that we will be judged for what we have or have not done (= works) while we were alive and whether Jesus Christ is Lord of our lives.
We do hope you came to see that God in His mercy has provided all of us the only means for salvation through His son, Jesus Christ.
12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”(Acts 4:12 NASB)
6 Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6 NASB)
To get into the Kingdom of God we do have to have faith in the saving work of the Lord Jesus Christ and faith in God His acceptance of Jesus his ransom offer.
Good reasons to come to faith
Throughout the history of mankind there have been men who said to be sent by God or asked by God to bring over His messages. Those messages also brought sayings of things having to happen in the future. Several of those prophesies have proven to become a reality which mankind could not escape. Other promises of God still have to happen.
For many people life can be hard at times. The bible gives divine guidance to make everything seem easier and worthwhile to endure. To cope with so many difficulties it is not bad to have faith in those promises of that unseen deity. Faith is namely the knowledge, deep down inside, that things will get better and that one can trust that Unseen Spirit Being.
Without faith, we couldn’t expect that things would turn out all right for us no matter what the situation might be.
In a certain way you could say that
Faith, then, is just as important as the air we breathe.
While the oxygen in the air nourishes the body, faith nourishes the heart and the soul (our being). It’s the energy that courses through every single fibre and cell within our beings. It’s part of every muscle and every strand of thought. It is the fundamental foundation of our existence. It is also that what gives us power not to be dependant on other people or having us to be caught in human tradition.
In the Holy Scriptures you can find a record of all those events promised by the Divine Creator. Unfortunately, some people don’t believe in things that they cannot see. And it are those things which requires faith or a believe in the unknown. Those people explain things away due to other causes and effects, failing to find the small miracles in life that exist and work in our favour on a constant basis. There’s an enormous level of importance attributable to having faith in life.
Real faith isn’t just something only for in difficult times. Real faith is something which forms the basis for a great trust which forms an important element to our human life on earth. When we know that life is precious, we by knowing it can also be remarkably difficult at times, do know our faith can help us to get through the struggles of life. Faith is what helps to get us through, illuminating the pathway in times of darkness, helping to give us strength in times of weakness. Without faith, we are nothing.
Focussing on the right thing
Lots of people seem easily to to move away from positivity and to focus on the wrong things. It might be very attractive to have a lot of material wealth, but be sure that does not always bring all happiness of life.
We should leave all bad thoughts behind and should focus on the good things. When we focussing on positivity and seeking out solutions, we can resolve our problems and move from a state of lack back to a state of abundance. Faith is the pathway for abundance, so be sure to hold it at the forefront of your mind.
2 Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various [a]trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces [b]endurance. 4 And let [c]endurance have its perfect [d]result, so that you may be [e]perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. (James 1:2-4 NASB)
Being of good courage, believing in the promises of God, we can count on it that our sufferings in this world are only temporarily and that they can produce endurance which in turn produces character. That character our faith creates produces hope which does not disappoint us.
3 And not only this, but [a]we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; 4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; 5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. (Romans 5:3-5 NASB)
A person without faith is likened to a stream without water — they would cease to exist. Faith is knowing there is an ocean because you have seen a brook.
Faith is also believing in the future
Faith is a matter of believing seen but also believing in unseen matters. The Book of books, the Bible not only gives us a picture of what happened in the past. It also gives us a concrete picture of what is to come in the future: a very great battle or a frightening time of great tribulation, the return of Christ and the Kingdom of God. The coming Kingdom is to be a political reality, based upon the earth on which we live, with a government under the leadership of the king Jeshua (Jesus Christ) .
It is that prospect of a restored Israel that should have us to recognise certain signals told in the different books of the Bible and has to take on a certain stand or position in this world.
It can well be the full restoration of the Kingdom shall not take place in our lifetime. Having to face death we should not be afraid of it. The hope set before us is not that of going off to some unknown place when we die, or having to undergo an other punishment in a purgatory or in a torture place called hell.
With our death we shall have paid the full price for our sins and God shall not demand an other penalty for it. We have the promise that at the second coming of Christ Jeshua (Jesus Christ) shall judge the living and the dead. He then shall give the faithful the opportunity to enter the Kingdom of God, whilst the adversaries of God he shall give them their second death.
We should look forwards to that marvellous non-ending period,in which we shall be able to live again in a healthy material body (though different in nature) on a peaceful earth. We look, not for something totally new and different, but for the present state of things on earth to be changed and improved. The changes will be very great and the improvements vast, but it will still be the earth on which we now live.
In that Kingdom of God there shall be no strive, jealousy, war, but freedom from disease and sorrows, having agricultural plenty for all who shall live as brothers and sisters in that new age or New World.
God made us to know, love, and serve Him in this world, so we can have a restored relationship because of what Christ has done. In Christ Jesus we should put our faith and believe in Him {Jehovah} Who had sent Jesus.
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. (John 5:24 NASB)
When we live out God’s will for us, we shall find extreme joy and peace already in this present life, knowing that to all our bad things shall come an end.
Gathering as brothers and sisters
Many studies — and experience — have shown that families who live out their faith together are stronger and happier.All that want to follow the sent one from God, should follow his teachings and be one with him. those who believe in Christ and his heavenly Father should form a community of faith-filled friends in which they can find support and strength for their life’s journey.
Having come into the faith means having the will to change your character and to blend in with Christ and the Will of God.
The only really good reason to believe something is because it is true. You by searching the Scriptures shall be able to find the Truth and making it easy to live by faith in the truth and in harmony. Those followers of Jeshua, you may call Jeshuaists or Followers of Christ (Christians) should be like brothers and sisters in Christ.
Have you read the many articles of this series “Key to the bible”?
Have you seen what the Bible says and compared it what your church tells you it would say or what other so called Christians say it would say?
When you consider all the things written in the Holy Bible and compare it with what we as brethren and sisters in Christ tell you, does that not make you interested in our movement and would that not give some reasons to share with us that Biblical Truth?
As followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ we as free people unite with many all over the world in the same beliefs. We do not mind not being partakers of the many heathen traditions or pagan festivals. We do not mind being considered not of this world, because God asked us not to be of this world but of His world.
Jesus lets us know about his followers
19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. (John 15:19 NASB)
Do know that being the world’s friend is being God’s enemy. So whoever chooses to be a friend of the world takes his stand as an enemy of God. (James 4:4) Jesus and his disciples preached that people should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds. (Acts 26:20) Please come to do that and come to join our society in the love of Christ.
Though we are a very small community, this should not stop you to become one of our members. As brothers and sisters in Christ, Christadelphians give a hand to all who want to know more about God, God’s son, salvation, present and future life, Kingdom of Christ, Kingdom of God, Israel and the world we live in.
As Christians we live by the knowledge that faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. (Hebrews 11:1) Man can not see God and live (Exodus 33:20), but many have seen His representative on earth, Jeshua, better known as Jesus Christ. In Jesus, Isaiah, Moses and many other prophets and in the stories of the bible we can see The God of gods His work in people and our lives and all around us in His creation.
Christadelphian prefer to keep to the biblical teachings instead of human or false doctrines. We do all of this through faith because we know that faith pleases God.
6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. (Hebrews 11:6 NASB).
If you want to please God and follow the instructions Jesus has given to his followers, please do not hesitate to join us.
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Preceding
The Greatness of the eternal God
The New Testament and Judgement
To be prepared for the Day of Judgment
Living as a believer in Christ
A participation in the body of Christ
Do you believe what Christ’s Apostles taught?
Bible Reading: is it worthwhile?
The importance of Reading the Scriptures
The Bible: is it contradictory?
The Development of Differences
Bible Teaching and Vital Doctrines to Discover
Examples of Living Faith
Avoiding friction and distraction in the body of Christ
A participation in the body of Christ
Brothers and sisters in Christ for you
The Christadelphians or “Brethren in Christ”
Video: Introducing the Christadelphian Community
Who has the power of prophecy?
Prophecy concerning Babylon and Israel
Why is the nation of Israel being restored?
The Jews have fulfilled Bible Prophecy
Will There Ever be Peace on Earth?
Sign of the Times and the Last Days #1 The Son of man revealing
Sign of the Times and the Last Days #2 Wars, natural disasters, famine and false Messiahs
Sign of the Times and the Last Days #3 Coming events revealed in the prophetic writings
Realities concerning Human Life and Death
Is there life beyond the grave?
Is Hell-fire something to fear
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The dark side of our earthly existence
A perfect life, obedient death, and glorious resurrection
Thought for those who think it is not necessary to do any works any more
The Big conversation Why it matters
Listening to the lessons of the Bible and looking for ways to please God
Members of the ecclesia uniting and seeking God’s help in tribulation
Follower of Jesus part of a cult or a Christian
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Find also:
- Introducing the Christadelphians – Video presentation
- What Christadelphians teach
- Christadelphian Beliefs
- What we believe
- Our Ecclesia = Christadelphian Church
- Our hope
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Additional reading
- Being Religious and Spiritual 6 Romantici, utopists and transcendentalists
- Philosophy hand in hand with spirituality
- Approachers of ideas around gods, philosophers and theologians
- Atonement And Fellowship 1/8
- Suffering redemptive because Jesus redeemed us from sin
- Heed of the Saviour
- How Many were Bought
- Nazarene Commentary Matthew 3:1-6 – A Wilderness Baptist Prepares the Way
- Matthew 13:31-32 – The Nazarene’s Commentary: Parable of the Mustard Seed
- Matthew 16:13-20 – The Nazarene’s Commentary: Building a Hades-Proof Congregation
- Christians remaining hidden not sharing the gospel
- Not everyone in the churches of Christ are “ungodly”
- Which Christian sect is the only true Christian church?
- Wisdom lies deep
- The truth is very plain to see and God can be clearly seen
- Faith is knowing there is an ocean because you have seen a brook.
- Live by Faith
- Faith and trial
- A Living Faith #5 Perseverance
- 1 Corinthians 15 Hope in action
- Belonging to or being judged by
- Not words of any organisation should bind you, but the Word of God
- Mass Media’s Deception Causing Division
- God’s wisdom for the believer brings peace
- Members of the ecclesia uniting and seeking God’s help in tribulation
- The Field is the World #4 Many who leave the church
- Message of Pope Francis I for the 48th World Communications Day
- Church has to grow through witness, not by proselytism
- Certain Catholics claiming that the power of the priest is equal to that of Jesus Christ
- God’s promises
- God’s promises to us in our suffering
- God should be your hope
- Ability (part 4) Thought about the ability to have ability
- Evil in this world not bringing us down
- A cheerful heart filled of hope good medicine
- Dying or not
- Without God no purpose, no goal, no hope
- Hope is faith holding out its hand in the dark
- A concrete picture of what is to come in the future
- Optimism is the faith that leads to achievement
- Everything that is done in the world is done by hope
- Fear knocked at the door
- Partakers of the sufferings
- Give your tears to God
- Gospel = Good tidings, good news, a good message
- The Spirit of God brings love, hope and freedom
- Looking forward to God’s faithfulness
- God should be your hope
- Hope does not disappoint us
- Kingdom of God what will it be like
- The high calling of God in Christ Jesus
- The Law of Christ: Law of Love
- Commitment to Christian unity
- Be an Encourager
- How do you keep people from stealing your joy?
- Wanting to know more about basic teachings of Christadelphianism
- What are Brothers in Christ
- Christadelphian people
- Who are the Christadelphians
- Fellowship
- The Ecclesia
- The Ecclesia in the churchsystem
- The ecclesia or Christadelphian church
- What Christadelphians believe
- Major Points of Belief
- Brethren in Christ = Christadelphians > Video presentation
- Small churches of the few Christadelphians
- About the Belgian Free Christadelphians
- 19° Century London Christadelphians
- Our Ecclesia = Christadelphian Church
- Looking for Christadelphian in your neighbourhood
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No word of scripture teaches that anyone can pay for his sins. Let me have it, if there is. When Jesus said, “It is finished.” the word ‘finished’ is teleo (tel-eh’-o), meaning: ‘to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt).’ If the wages of sin is death, then what He did was actually to have paid the price for our sins in full. Whoever comes to Jesus, soteriologically, benefits from this act of teleo.
By the way what do you mean by the second death? Is it hellish or that one just ceases to exist, completely thrown into oblivion?
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You say “No word of scripture teaches that anyone can pay for his sin” and therefore we may assume you also do not believe Jesus could pay for his sins (if he would have done some – which he did not) but also bring up that Jesus could not pay for sins of others. Though in the next phrase you contradict yourself with telling ” what He did was actually to have paid the price for our sins in full”.
The second death is the assignment of returning to death after Jesus has judged all people, after his return, his calling of all the living and the death to being judged by him. All those who are not allowed to enter the Kingdom of God shall receive death, and when they were death before they shall have to face the second death.
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Your first error is to compare the humanity of Jesus to any other human.
His “only begotten,” monogenēs (mon-og-en-ace’), stance has absolutely nothing to do with gennaō (ghen-nah’-o) which is evocative of carnality of procreation and iniquity. The uniqueness of His monogenēs enables Him to pay for the sin of mankind, which He ably represented as the last Adam.
Sinfulness is purely a spiritual act. No sinner can walk away from his imputed sin. Only Jesus can do it by going to the sanguinaceous cross of Calvary.
Let’s get something scripturally right here. Not everybody will be judged. John 5:24 quotes the LORD saying, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” Confer these verses: Joh 10:27-30; Rom 8:1; Rom 8:16; Rom 8:17; Rom 8:28-30; Rom 8:33; Rom 8:34; 1Th 5:9; 2Th 2:13; 2Th 2:14; 1Pe 1:5 (refs11)
The eternal position of the spiritual stance of born again souls exempts us from receiving any damning judgement. Why? We will sit to judge with Jesus as Matthew 19:28 testifies from the mouth of the Logos: “And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Read these verses: Dan 7:18; Isa 63:4; Luk 22:29; Luk 22:30; 1Co 6:2; 1Co 6:3; Rev 1:6; Rev 3:21; Rev 5:10 (refs 9). These will explain who are the actors of Revelation 20:4. Amen.
By the way, you’ve not given me the scripture which says of any man who can pay for his sins to gain entry into righteousness.
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You say “Only Jesus can do it by going to the sanguinaceous cross of Calvary. ” but God can not die and what would be the use for God faking his death?
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Eph 4:9-10 says, “(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)” Let’s look at some these words. The word ‘descend’ is the Greek katabaino (kat-ab-ai’-no): ‘to descend {literally or figuratively}.’ Katoteros (kat-o’-ter-os) is the Greek for ‘lower’ which means: ‘inferior (locally, of Hades).’ And ‘parts’? It is meros (mer’-os) ‘a division, regions or share.’
As you can see, there is no faking of any death here, Marcus Ampe. Death, for your information, is simply a cut off from the presence of God. God the Son, having taken upon Himself, the sins of the world, had to go to hell, not as a condemned sinner but as the One to tell the occupants of the Hades, as the Greek calls it, that dooms day was near.
What does Matthew 12:40 say from His very mouth? “For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” Hebrews 2:9, “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.” Do you remember one of the things He uttered while non the cross? “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Matt 27:46).
It says somewhere that death could not hold Him down there. Why? He is the LORD of creation!
If He did not die, somebody like me wouldn’t be born again. He had to die to pay for me sinful nature in order to get me freed from eternal damnation. Amen!
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To descend into the deeper parts of the earth is being put in the grave, sheol, hades, which is not a place of eternal torture, but according to Ecclesiastes a places where there is no feeling and no thinking at all.
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Marcus Ampe, please, get your scriptures right. Whatever you read in Ecclesiastes cannot truly tell you that. Obviously you’ve not read the Lord’s account of Luke 16:19-31. Verse 23 & 24 reads, “And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.”
Unless you can prove that the Bible is fraught with contradictions, Jesus taught the truth. Stay with the truth. It sets free. Amen!
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You write “Unless you can prove that the Bible is fraught with contradictions, ” but I just say the bible has no contradictions and when it says God knows everything I do believe God knows and knew everything, but Jesus for example did not know a lot of things or either he lied, though Chriptures tells us that God never tells lies, so this should indicate and make you to see that Jesus can not be God (also because he was seen by many whilst god tells no man can see Him and live.)
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Theological facticity teaches of Jesus’ duality. Jesus is a man, born of the Virgin Mary. Christ did not come into being. He is the being Himself. John 5:23 “That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.” Matt 11:28 “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” Only God, the eternal, can give rest. He said somewhere that He, Jesus, is the Lord of Sabbath. Was it or was it not Jehovah who established the Sabbath rest? Selah!
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The son is sent by the Father. Nowhere does it say that it is the Father Himself Who comes down to earth.
There is said that the son of man is Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8), but that does not take away that Jehovah God installed the Sabbathrest, whilst He now allowed His son to break with that rule of having to rest and offer service on the Sabbath. Now people may hold their service on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and any other day or the week the same as they can take a free day off at any day of the month.
It is by Christ Jesus his offering that you do not have to stay in your house from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. You also do not have to keep Sabbath any more, because Jesus has become the master to give you freedom of such duty and also of the restrictions of other Mozaïc and other Judaic Laws.
(Or do you still think everybody has to keep to the Judaic Laws?)
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What does it prognosticate, for a supposedly mere man who says, and categorically too that, “I am the Lord of Sabbath?”
To be Lord of Sabbath must take you back to the creationism in Gen 2:1-3, “1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”
It may interest you that the Lord, as used by Jesus of Himself, should be the Hebraic “Adonay.” Whether Adonay or Adon, as long as it applies to Sabbath and its Lordship, it is nothing short of Divinity. If you fail or refuse to see this simple theological truth, what then are we discussing? The duality of Jesus you fail or refuse to apprehend is the problem. Understand?
Sabbath is not a Judaic Law. Moses did not institute it. The Eternal Jehovah made it mandatory. Sabbath is no longer a particular day (Saturday) for the New Testament Christian. Sabbath is everyday. Why? We worship Him every minute of everyday of our redeemed lives. Selah!
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God has no beginning and no end = no birth and no death.
May we assume that you consider being born not to be coming into being?
Jesus was planted in the womb of the young girl (virgin Mary) and when he was born from then onwards his life began. That was his beginning and the end of his life came by his death. God can not die but Jesus really died. Jesus was even three days in hell (the grave).
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How can He be the Light of Genesis 1:3 confer John 1:9.
How can He be the One of John 1:1-14? John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” The word ‘made’ is not of creationism. It is ginomai (ghin’-om-ai) v.
‘1. to cause to be (“gen”-erate)
2. (reflexively) to become (come into being).’ There are two persons in this Enigma: the WORD and Adamic progeny.
How come He is the everlasting Father of Isaiah 9:6?
Is He not the Divinity of Rev 1:8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.?”
You can never be truly born again and fail or refuse to see the Deity of Jesus!
Can anyone ‘Know’ Jehovah ABSOLUTELY? Jesus claims, emphatically to ‘ginosko’ (know absolutely) the Father, which is impossible for any being of creationism. Selah.
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Do you remember what Jesus said before he was taken prison”Not my will but Your Will will be done.”‘ In case Jesus would be God it would always been his will what would have been done.
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You’ve probably not read John 16:24 “Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.” Look at this also John 14:13-14, especially the 14th. “And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14) If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.”
He has His own will. It is not contrary to the Father’s. Never! I’ll be publishing a post, probably today. It’s about the TRINITY. Please do visit my blog to read and give all your criticisms. Thank you, Marcus.
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By asking something in Jesus Name is nothing wrong and does not at all have to say that Jesus would be God.
Naturally Jesus has his own will, like you have your own will. But you seem to forget Jesus asked his heavenly Father not to do Jesus his own will but to do His (God’s) Own will. In case Jesus would be God it always would have been God His Will whatever Jesus did or wanted to do.
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You don’t pray to angels or do you? Providential prayers must be sent only to the Divinity. His divine status makes it a spiritual legality to offer prayers to Him. This is what you’re not seeing.
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People have no reason at all to pray to angels or celestial beings other than The God. Angels, like Jesus are called god, the same as Moses, Pharaoh, Zeus, Apollo and many other highly placed people and imaginary beings, but we should know that they are not the God above all gods.
We do not pray to angels, and mostly also not to Jesus, though he is the mediator between God and man (so we allow people to ask Jesus for things). We advice people to pray directly to the heavenly Father, like Jesus also taught us to pray to his heavenly Father. Prayers can be ended with mentioning that we do this supplication or request “in Jesus’ name”.
We do not forbid you to ask Jesus for things or as such to pray to Jesus, but we say that every person is allowed to go up directly to the heavenly Father to ask it straight at this Most High God, Who stands above all other gods and Who is Master of all the existing gods and all people.
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Did Jesus receive worship of the heavenly host or not?
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It was the son of God, a man of flesh and blood who died and did not fake his death. In case Jesus would have been God, and that God telling no lies, calling Himself an eternal Spirit, God can not die and as such in case He would have come to earth as Jesus would have dramatically played as if He would have died and as such would have faked His death.
You yourself quotes what Jesus cried at the stake and write yourself
” you remember one of the things He uttered while non the cross?“
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Matt 27:46). ”
but does not seem to see yourself that Jesus cried not unto himself but unto his heavenly Father, the God of Israel, Whom he also considered the only One true God.
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John 14:1 “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.” The word ‘believe’ is: pisteuo (pist-yoo’-o) v.
‘1. to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit
2. (by implication) to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well-being to Christ).’ The other word you must understand is the preposition ‘in’. It is eis (eis) prep.
1. to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time
2. (figuratively) to or into a purpose (result, etc.).’ This is the Greek grammatical “in case.”
John 17:21 “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” The unity of the Father and Son is theological. I hope you’ll understand this.
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Did you read and understand your quoted phrases? Look at the first one where is spoken about believing in God But also in believing in the one who is speaking there, namely Jesus. You should have faith in that sent one from god, who is in the word of God also called a prophet, or a speaker and messenger in the name of God.
You also should see we have to be in Christ and in God like Jesus is one with god or in the same line of thinking. According your way of thinking this would mean we would be Jesus and we would be God.
clearly you yourself do not believe what Jesus said ” that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” We should believe that God has sent Jesus. You want to refuse to accept that and want the world to believe it was God who came down to earth to fake His temptation (because God can not be tempted) and to fake His death (because God cannot die).
We have the impression you do not seem to understand the unity we do have to have with Christ and with God as well with each other. You also speak about “theological” but seem to be caught in human theological doctrines instead of keeping to Biblical doctrines.
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Who and or what was Christ before His earth’s sojourn? Please use the Scripture.
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Before Jesus was born he was nothing, like you were nothing. But like you are written in the book of life and death, long before Abraham was born, Jesus was too. Furthermore Jesus was the one promised in the Garden of Eden and as such he as the promised one was the one millions of people looked out for already a long time before he was born and long before he started his public life, which was only two millennia ago.
There was no pre-existence of Jesus. He was promised and got born.
Read Luke 1:30-35 + Galatians 4:4 + Luke 3:21-23
“30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found {1 } favor with God. {1) Or grace }31 And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 and he shall reign over the house of Jacob {1 } for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. {1) Gr unto the ages }34 And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also {1 } the holy thing which is begotten {2 } shall be called the Son of God. {1) Or that which is to be born shall be called holy, the Son of God 2) Some ancient authorities insert of thee } (Lu 1:30-35 ASV)
“ but when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,” (Ga 4:4 ASV)
“21 ¶ Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that, Jesus also having been baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily form, as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,” (Lu 3:21-23 ASV)
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Is He called Jesus Joseph or Jesus David?
Why does He go by the sobriquet, JESUS CHRIST? Unfortunately for so many people they don’t see the CHRIST!
The Bible says the LORD God walked in the Garden of Eden. Who is that. They, Adam and his wife saw HIM.
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Jesus is not the Lord of the creation tout cour, he was master of the New Creation, but the Maker of Everything and Creator of all things and Allower of all things is Jehovah God.
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This is what Moses said of the Old Testament, “Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words” (Exodus 24:8). But check out the utterance of Jesus, “For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:28). I am sure you do not see the fact that the Testator of the Old is the very One who can establish the NEW, do you? The Bible has all the answers. It’s God’s protocol. Amen.
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Jesus is the bringer of the New Covenant. He signed the covenant with ish own blood. The One whor presented the Old and now the New covenant is the same God Who presented it to Moses and now to His only begotten son, whose blood or his sacrificial offer God accepted as the perfect ransom for always.
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Where was Christ before coming to the world? You don’t see it at all. Divine covenant can only be established the Divinity.
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Before coming to the world Christ existed only as the promised one (after the fall in the garden of Eden and at regular times in the history of the people of Israel).
There does not exist such a thing as pre-existence of Jesus, like there is no pre-existence or a previous life for you or any other person. (Such other lifes are false teachings.) People only have one life (though we may speak of different lifes indicating new starts like for example when being reborn – that not being a real new coming on the world as a baby, though the apostles speak of being “new babes”.
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Do you really read the Bible at all? John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The beginning of what? Is it not of creation?
John 1:2 “The same was in the beginning with God.” Who is or are these people? Are there not TWO now?
John 1:3 “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” WHO is this that made all things; WITHOUT WHOM nothing was made that has come into existence?
John 1:4 “In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”
John 1:9 “That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.” How can He have been involved in creationism and not have been in existence before His Adamic birth? Isaiah said of Him as a child (of Adamic progeny) and a Son (given to save the world). Who else saves, save God?
How do you read the Bible? John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” I have explained the meaning of ‘made.’ Study the Bible well.
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People have to come to Jesus but also have to believe in him, him not being God but being the son of man and the son of God, who gave his life as a ransom for the sins of many. By accepting that people can come under him and under the promise of a New Covenant. But when not being with Christ i.e not believing who he is or not accepting his position and going against those who do believe in him, a person becomes considered against Christ.
We have to believe Him (Jehovah God) Who has sent Christ.
“ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.” (Joh 5:24 ASV)
“ and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, {1 } This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. {1) Or This is my Son; my beloved in whom I am well pleased. See Mt 12:18 } (Mt 3:17 ASV)
“ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.” (Joh 3:16 ASV)
“ And Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.” (Joh 12:44 ASV)
“ because to you it hath been granted in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer in his behalf:” (Php 1:29 ASV)
“ And that from a babe thou hast known the sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” (2Ti 3:15 ASV)
“12 that ye were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are made nigh in the blood of Christ.” (Eph 2:12-13 ASV)
Concerning those who do believe and those who do not believe or do not want to see:
“ And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.” (Mt 25:46 ASV)
“20 by the way which he dedicated for us, a new and living way, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 and having a great priest over the house of God; 22 let us draw near with a true heart in {1 } fulness of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil {2 } conscience: and having our body washed with pure water, {1) Or full assurance 2) Or conscience, and our body washed with pure water: let us hold fast }23 let us hold fast the confession of our hope that it waver not; for he is faithful that promised: 24 and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and good works; 25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another; and so much the more, as ye see the day drawing nigh. 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a {1 } fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries. {1) Or jealousy }28 A man that hath set at nought Moses law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified {1 } an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? {1) Gr a common thing } (Heb 10:20-29 ASV)
“30 He that is not with me is against me, and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. 31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this {1 } world, nor in that which is to come. {1) Or age } (Mt 12:30-32 ASV)
We should believe that Jesus is the sent one from God who did the Will of god and not his own will (what he would have done when he would be God.)
Strange then when you yourself write
“If the wages of sin is death, then what He did was actually to have paid the price for our sins in full. Whoever comes to Jesus, soteriologically, benefits from this act of teleo. ”
but does not seem to believe in the true and sincere act Jesus did, not following his own will but doing God His Will and giving himself as a ransom for the sins of all.
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John 8:18 “I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” Do you realise that only God can say, “bear witness of myself?” John 10:30 is a categorical, “I and my Father are one.” Find out the Greek meanings of each word. This is a pellucid verse of Jesus’ Divinity. Selah!
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You forget that you yourself also can bear witness about your self, like so many others can bear witness of themselves, though they are not God the Father like you too are not God nor Jesus though in case you would be a Christian you should be one with Christ like he is one with his heavenly Father.
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Read from verse 13 to get the scriptural hang of it.
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We do not see how the underneath scripture clearly can indicate that Jesus would be God? Just the opposite, Jesus telling us that God knows him and that God loves him because Jesus gives his life for others. It does not say God loves Himself.
“13 he fleeth because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know mine own, and mine own know me, 15 even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must {1 } bring, and they shall hear my voice: and {2 } they shall become one flock, one shepherd. {1) Or lead 2) Or there shall be one flock }17 Therefore doth the Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. 18 No one {1 } taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have {2 } power to lay it down, and I have {2 } power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father. {1) Some ancient authorities read took it away 2) Or right }19 ¶ There arose a division again among the Jews because of these words. 20 And many of them said, He hath a demon, and is mad; why hear ye him? 21 Others said, These are not the sayings of one possessed with a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind? 22 ¶ {1 } And it was the feast of the dedication at Jerusalem: {1) Some ancient authorities read At that time was the feast }23 it was winter; and Jesus was walking in the temple in Solomon’s {1 } porch. {1) Or portico }24 The Jews therefore came round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou hold us in suspense? If thou art the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believe not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, these bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. 29 {1 } My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch {2 } them out of the Father’s hand. {1) Some ancient authorities read That which my Father hath given unto me 2) Or, aught }30 I and the Father are one.” (Joh 10:13-30 ASV)
Please, listen also to these verses in Scripture, which again makes it clear the bible is speaking about two different characters, who are not the same person and even do not have the same qualities:
Mt 11:27 All things have been delivered unto me of my Father: and no one knoweth the Son, save the Father; neither doth any know the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal him.
Lu 10:22 All things have been delivered unto me of my Father: and no one knoweth who the Son is, save the Father; and who the Father is, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal him.
Mt 20:28 even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Ga 1:4 who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us out of this present evil {1 } world, according to the will of {2 } our God and Father: {1) Or age 2) Or God and our Father }
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony to be borne in its own times;
And Jesus died not to do his own will but to do the will of his heavenly Father and also not to bring us to him but to bring us to his heavenly Father Who he considers to be the only One true God
“ Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.” (Mt 6:10 ASV)
“ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.” (Mt 7:21 ASV)
“ saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” (Lu 22:42 ASV)
“ For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (Joh 6:38 ASV)
1Pe 3:18 Because Christ also {1 } suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; {1) Many ancient authorities read died }
Eph 5:2 and walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for {1 } us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odor of a sweet smell. {1) Some ancient authorities read you }
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony to be borne in its own times;
Joh 15:9 Even as the Father hath loved me, I also have loved you: abide ye in my love.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 17:4 I glorified thee on the earth, having accomplished the work which thou hast given me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:24 Father, {1 } I desire that they also whom thou hast given me be with me where I am, that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. {1) Gr that which thou hast given me, I desire that where I am, they also may be with me, that etc }
Joh 17:25 O righteous Father, the world knew thee not, but I knew thee; and these knew that thou didst send me;
Joh 17:26 and I made known unto them thy name, and will make it known; that the love wherewith thou lovedst me may be in them, and I in them.
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You are either failing or utterly refusing to focus on the theological issues. How can any being ‘know’ God, who is ETERNAL, quite ABSOLUTELY? That Personage MUST be Deity.
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Do you not see in Isaiah 53 the paradox of the Servant who was chosen by God, but rejected by people, because of his humility and lack of respect. Precisely he is the one through whom God chooses to redeem. The expression “the arm of the Lord” is found for the first time in the redemption of the people from Egypt under Moses. It indicates God’s power to redeem.
God chooses to redeem through His Servant, but this “arm of the Lord” is not recognized by its environment. He was “the shoot” that sprang up before God (the promised offspring from the stump of Jesse – Isa 11 – what the royal dynasty refers to), but is seen as a root from dry ground.
Trinitarians still not acknowledge the quality of God’s Servant and do what the prophet Isaiah warned about. They give Jesus no justice for what he really did, namely to set aside his will for to do the will of god (in case he would be God he would always have done his own will). Thus the man Jesus, sent by God, is actually despised by them, shunned, though he was a man who knew the suffering and was familiar with sickness, a man who hid his face from us [‘for whom one hides the face’] , despised, reviled and despised by many. But it was he who bore our sicknesses, who took on our suffering. (Isaiah 53: 3-4) Not only the Jews, however, saw him as an imposture, beaten and humiliated by God, but also many who claim to be Christians and then should have to follow Jesus the Christ and worship the same God as him.
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