Worship and worshipping

Under the Tags “Worship” and “Worshipping” you shall be able to find articles concerning adoration paid to a person a god or God as well as about the religious service of a person or community of persons.

The worship can be a profound admiration and affection, an act of revering or adoring, to glorify, a dignity,reputation, high standing.

The word “Worship” is derived from the Old English worthscipe, meaning worthiness or worth-ship — to give, at its simplest, worth to something, for example, Christian worship

Paying high honours to some one or something, but also the act of performing acts of adoration or bringing honour, offerings  and prayers to something or some one.

But in particular we shall talk here about the adoration to the Only One God and the religious service we can bring to Him to show our love, affection and adoration.

Each individual can give expression of his adoration or veneration for some one or something. He can react on his feeling and express himself accordingly on his own (solo) or in group. Often when the act of worship is not performed individually, in an informal or formal group, or by a designated leader, there is taken some order to do it or some people taking charge of the ‘service’.

A modern Western worship team leading a contem...
A modern Western worship team leading a contemporary worship session. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Many religious traditions place an emphasis upon regular worship at frequent intervals, often daily or weekly. Expressions of worship vary but typically include one or more of the following:

Prayer, meditation, ritual, scripture, sacraments, sacrifice, sermons, chanting, music or devotional song, dance, religious holidays, festivals, pilgrimage, dining, fasting, temples or shrines, idols, or simply private individual acts of devotion.

The worshipping or act of bringing worship can be done in different forms, which shall be spoken of in different articles. It can be done in the house by a private person or member of the community or in a special built or purpose-built place of worship,  like a church or meeting room, or in a public place or in the open. In the Christadelphian community we mostly call the Meeting Hall “Ecclesia House”, “Ecclesia building” or simply “Ecclesia”.

Under Worship we can find:

worship or keep service in honour
the veneration of a saint or higher rank: venerate, adore, veneration, adoration
the esteem and love: adore
Worship / adore a god or God

perpetual adoration
to kneel in adoration: Kneel in worship
Adoration of the Lamb
respectful admiration: worship, reverence

Veneration

Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy distinguish between adoration or latria (Latin adoratio, Greek latreia, [λατρεια]), which is due to God alone, and veneration or dulia (Latin veneratio, Greek douleia [δουλεια]), which may be lawfully offered to the saints. The external acts of veneration resemble those of worship, but differ in their object and intent. Protestant Christians question whether such a distinction is always maintained in actual devotional practice, especially at the level of folk religion.

Orthodox Judaism and orthodox Sunni Islam hold that for all practical purposes veneration should be considered the same as prayer; Orthodox Judaism (arguably with the exception of some Chasidic practices), orthodox Sunni Islam, and most kinds of Protestantism forbid veneration of saints or angels, classifying these actions as akin to idolatry.

Worship manifestation of Godliness

So under this “Tag” or the “label” of “Adoration” and “Worship” we will mainly focus on piety, and the exercise of that piety. It will mainly deal with the devout and pious by which a religious attitude is assumed to be faithfulness and submitting  to God, Godloving, exalting, glorifying, idolizing and to extol a superior being.

It will essentially to be about God having in mind, to be submissive and to put Him high, treasuring Him, to serve God, awards, praise and bless.
These words will be eligible:

piety, “piety, fervor, unction, devotion, piety, religion, faith, god, community, communion, grace position, probation, resignation, resignation, quietism, spirituality, mysticism, mysticism, apologetics, religious fervor, zeal, though, zealotism, congregation, bigotry , bigotry, tartufferie.

godly, pious, iconoduul, holy, work saint, mystic, zealot, laborer, congreganist, faith hero, hero, church patron, zealot, zelator, zelatrice, church pillar, a saint, bigot.

Prayer

Under the tag  “Prayer” we shall look at different form of words said to bring the adoration to something or some one.  It is one part of the worship to bring devotion and which can be done in different ways.

Under the “Prayer” tag you may encounter:

prayer, church attendance, prostration, knee prayer,  actus fidei, vocal prayer, meditation, consideration, praise, adoration, thanksgiving,  intercession, invocation, lost prayer, routine prayer, morning prayer, evening prayer, night prayer, home exercise, table blessing , table prayer, church attendance, prayer cross, pilgrimage, shrine shipping,  closing prayer, Triduum, novena, retreats, prayer series, answer to prayer, penance, prayer choir, psalmody.

prayer time, prayer meeting, prayer church time, matins time, praying, prayer place of worship, prayer house, retreat house, oratorio, pilgrimage, pilgrimage, grace place, place of grace, church, ecclesia

Under this tag we could discuss:

form prayer, prayer, cross, prayer, intercession, prayer for, exchange prayer, litany, deed, morning prayer, morning prayer, evening prayer, table prayer, grace, gratias, sigh, short prayer, the Lord’s Prayer, the Our Father, the Lord’s Prayer, the rosary, the Hail Mary, the Ave, the Rosary,  prayer beads, the psaltery Mary, the Angelus, the Salve Regina, the Regina Caeli, the Stabat Mater, Magnificat, Te Deum, Tantum ergo, the Itinerarium, year prayer.
liturgical prayer, church prayer, H. Mass.

A picture of a Lutheran pastor elevating the E...
A picture of a Lutheran pastor elevating the Eucharistic Host. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Breviary prayer, tides, matins, nocturne, lesson, the Laudes, Daily times, the hours, horce, prime, tertiary, sixths, ninths, Vespers, Compline, completorium, psalm, Vesper psalm, thank Psalm, penitential psalm, plaintive psalm, weeping psalm, the Miserere, De Profundis, the 15 Trap Psalms, hymns, church hymns, Cantica, invitatorium , antiphoon, responsorium, doxology, Gloria Patri, final chapter, the Hosanna, Alleluia, the great Hallelujah, Amen, the Libera.

It can be possible we shall look at:

prayer book, prayer book, Bible, church, communion book, communion plate, Hours, choir book, matins book, Breviary, prayer book, hymn book, psalter, psaltery, diurnal, anti phone book, antiphonarium, kyriale.

sacramentals, scapular, rosary, Beier,  rosary bead, rosary cross, holy water, holy bread, Hubert bread, napkin, virtue rose, golden rose, palm, relic, shrine, pledge, gift, sacrifice image , votivefstone/tabel/gift.

Worship

For the term “Worship” we will look at carrying out the devotion and subservience to the exercise of prayer and work towards a superior, with particularity to God.

The worship or service to keep the worship of a god or Supreme Being in the Divine. It is the practice of religion.

That worship can exert a religious service or a keeping or holding church.

service provision, church keep reading church keep ministering, practice, or honour

Encloses a liturgical worship ritual.

liturgical, ritual.

And one can have:
worship, religion, cult, Mary Service, Mary worship, honouring saints, dulia, liturgy, ritual, rite, section, liturgic, ritualism, ritual, cart table, cart table list, church language.

religious practice, practice, service, church, ceremony, religious ceremony, church ceremony, religious use, church use, form of religion, church, Sunday worship service, Sabbath service, early service, matins, morning church. Morning, morning church, mette, morning service, lunch service, lunch church – afternoon service, evening service, Mass

evening worship, evening church, praise, foot washing, routine religion, psalm singing, sacrament hymns, Christmas songs,  Easter songs, passover worship, passover sacrifice, last supper celebration, memorial celebration, remembrance meal, remembrance celebration

Protestant / Catholic worship, children’s church, reading church, covenant meal, dinner (s) celebration, dinner, supper celebration, night time, adoption service, supper bowl, supper wine supper table, linked table, communion bread, supper bread, communion wine, night-time singing, night song, breaking of bread, taking the symbols, remembrance meal, memorial, memorial worship

worshiper, dinner-goer,  night time goer, minister atonement, sacrificial servant, mass celebrator, Eucharist keeper, memory keeper, Mass-goer,  churchgoer

In worship we will proceed to the saying of prayers and spiritual texts usually recited or chanted. Many communities bring in their worship different variations and music and hold offerings in different ways.

A typical altar in a Latin Rite Catholic church — High altar of the Kapucijnenkerk; Ostend, Belgium.

For the Holy Mass or commonly called the Mass the Roman Catholics do have an Eucharistic celebration in the Latin liturgical rites or in more up todate modern liturgical rites of the Roman Catholic Church. The term is used also of similar celebrations in Old Catholic Churches, in the Anglo-Catholic tradition of Anglicanism, in Western Rite Orthodox Churches, in Lutheran churches, and in a small number of High Church Methodist parishes.
For the celebration of the Eucharist in Eastern Churches, including those in full communion with the Holy See, other terms such as the Divine Liturgy, the Holy Qurbana and the Badarak are normally used.
Most Western denominations not in full communion with the Catholic Church also usually prefer terms other than Mass.

For information on the theology of the Eucharist and on the Eucharistic liturgy of other Christian denominations, see “Eucharist” and “Eucharistic theology“.

For information on history see Eucharist and Origin of the Eucharist, and with specific regard to the Roman Rite Mass, Pre-Tridentine Mass and Tridentine Mass.

The term “Mass” is derived from the Late Latin word missa (dismissal), a word used in the concluding formula of Mass in Latin: “Ite, missa est” (“Go; it is the dismissal”). “In antiquity, missa simply meant ‘dismissal’. In Christian usage, however, it gradually took on a deeper meaning. The word ‘dismissal’ has come to imply a ‘mission’. These few words succinctly express the missionary nature of the Church” (Pope Benedict XVI, Sacramentum caritatis, 51)

Sacrifice or Offering

In the worship or service the offer is to present an act of devotion, homage, charity, etc. to express willingness, to hold out for acceptance or rejection.

To lay before one, to present to the mind.

To give, to pay, to perform.

The offering is the act of making an offer. That which is offered.

In the worship or sacrifice among the faith communities of the various religions can be found:

altar ministry, altar service, love food, agape, sacrifice, sacrifice, altar, church sacrifice, temple sacrifice, altar secret, oblation, atonement, reconciliation, sin offering, guilt offering, peace offering, victorious sacrifice, libation, sacrifice of praise, supplication sacrifice, blood sacrifice , bloodplenging, victim, hecatomb, meat sacrifice, animal sacrifice, bull offering, unbloody sacrifice, oblation, smoke sacrifice, incense, commemorative sacrifice,  money sacrifice,  libation feast, drink offering,   prayer, sacrifice time, dinner, remembrance celebration, remembrance celebration, evening meal, remembrance meal, breaking of the bread.

To gather

To do the worship several religious groups do come together at a certain place. Worshipping should show your faith but also your connection: your connection with your god and with your fellow believers.

In several Christian communities we notice the members coming together.

regularly. The community coming together is part of the succession of

Jesus reminder to regularly get together and meet. The Christadelphians also do come together, either in private homes like the first Christians in what some today call a house-church. These meetings happen in the community of believers or at someone’s home

or in a custom or a public building that can serve as a ‘community

church’ or ‘Ecclesia’. The union of believers who would like to serve God is called

“the ecclesia” and the worship is simply called the “service” or when the

Supper is commemorated “the Lord’s Supper” or “Breaking of the Bread.”

That service can be simple or gloriously with songs. Yearly at the 14th Nisan or Pascha there is a special Memorial Meeting to remember the day Jesus had his last evening meal with his disciples and some close friends to commemorate the pass-over. At that remembrance day Jesus installed the New Covenant, before he was going to die for our sins.

The Religious part of the “Meeting” or coming together to honour and to praise God, and to build each other up more spiritual  by the perusal of the Holy Scripture and by discussing the Scriptures, where in the service a lecture is given, a prepared text or ‘admonition’ or ‘reading’ for the instruction of the faith community is called “exhortation” .

In Christian communities there are also feasts of charity or agape meals. In worship sometimes bloodless sacrifices or animal sacrifices are offered.

Further under the tag “Worship” and related tags you shall be able to find articles on:

sacrifice,  atoning sacrifice, sacrifices, smoking sacrifice, wine shed, burn incense, frankincense, (gum)thus, thurification,  Celebrating holy mass (do, read, sing, celebrate), officers, combine and assist, consecrate, serve Mass, go to Mass, hear Mass.

altar ministry, altar service, love food,  sacrifice, altar, sacrifice, temple sacrifice, altar secret, oblation, atonement, reconciliation, sacrifice, sin offering, guilt offering, peace offering, victorious sacrifice, libation, sacrifice of praise, supplication sacrifice, blood sacrifice , bloodplenging, victim, hecatomb, meat sacrifice, animal sacrifice, bull offering, unbloody sacrifice, oblation, smoke sacrifice, incense, commemorative sacrifice, libation, money, sacrifice, libatie, plengfeest, sacrifice, prayer, sacrifice time, dinner, remembrance celebration, remembrance celebration, fraternal meeting.

Note: in the Dutch articles you shall be able to find much more different words, which do have in certain instances also small or bigger differences, but have no equivalent word in English, or are not able to be found in translation dictionaries. Often also many words are very typical for certain Christian denominations, and are not used by the other denominations and often not know by the other denominations. They are part of the typical church language, which is quite common in Holland and Belgium.

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Dutch readers please do find:

Aanbidden, Aanbidding, Eredienst en Gebed

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Please do find also:

  1. Mass in the Roman Catholic Church
  2. Christian worship
  3. Anglican devotions
  4. Catholic devotions
  5. Church service
  6. Worship in different religions

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  • True Worship by Mark D. Roberts (trinityspeaks.wordpress.com)
    If I were to ask you to envision Christian worship, I expect you would imagine your church gathered for Sunday services, or something like that. Indeed, when God’s people assemble to offer praise and thanks to God, this is an essential element of true worship. But it’s just the beginning!
  • Have We Excluded Something Important From Worship? (samuelatgilgal.wordpress.com)
    Old Testament worship involved all five senses.
  • Christian Idol Worshippers (rosemichels.wordpress.com)
    The very people who cling so tightly to their God-given commandments are often the very ones to break the first one.  “Thou shalt have no other gods before thee.” Exodus 20:3 KJV
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    What may make the situation of ‘following’ even more dangerous in our Christian walk is what we’re doing to those very Christian people we follow.  As their popularity grows exponentially, so does their difficulty in dealing with something thrust upon them in what, oftentimes, seems to happen overnight.  Just like us ‘regular’ people, they’re to maintain the balance of being in the world but not of the world.
  • Mystery Worship Eleven: A Missed Opportunity (barefootpreachr.org)
    Traditional church bulletins are littered with headings like “prelude, doxology, Gloria Patri, benediction.”  We toss around buzz words such as Sacrament, liturgy, soteriology, ecclesiology, sanctification, salvation, atonement, justification, pre-lapsarianism
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    While worship must not be about our own comfort, it also takes place within a community. Often, but not always, powerful worship takes place as part of a connection of people who know each other, care for each other, push one another to greater godliness, and actively work together to serve the world
  • Enthusiastic Worship for All! (pastorjonev.typepad.com)
    One Sunday morning, at roughly 10:12 am, during the middle of the second song, a person on the worship team began to sing and “move” with more enthusiasm than usual. This caused quite a commotion amongst the little girls in the front row. But I’m pretty sure that the outward commotion amongst the little girls was probably multiplied amongst the adults, only they kept it on the inside. This is what happens in a church where little enthusiasm is shown during corporate praise and worship.
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    Worship is commanded. So is the physical, emotional act of worship.
  • God is entitled to our praises but Worship is always for our own sake (olungaotieno.wordpress.com)
    Praise and worship is probably the most important aspect of the Christian walk. It is through praise and worship that we as Christians draw near to God. Psalm 100:4 says that we enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise. Psalms 22 says he that He inhabits the praises of His people.
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    Worship is also for our own edification and strength. Worship helps us develop a God-like and Christ-like character. We become likened to those we admire and worship. When we worship God we tend to value what God values and gradually take on the characteristics and qualities of God, but never to His level.
  • Worship Him (achristianmeditation.wordpress.com)
    We pray. We read the scriptures. We try to live for Christ. We serve in various ministries. These are all ways of expressing our level of commitment and love for God. But what God desires more than anything is our worship.
  • The Multi-Cultural History of Prayer Beads (foragingsquirrel.com)
    Over two-thirds of the world’s population employ prayer beads as part of their religious practices. Prayer beads have a variety of forms and meanings, but the basic purpose is the same: to assist the worshiper in reciting and counting specific prayers or incantations. Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism are the major religions that use prayer beads in important ritualistic roles.Beads have long been linked with the act of prayer.
  • Questions About Prayer (graceindallas.wordpress.com)
    Prayer is an interesting thing. As Christians, we say we believe that the Creator of the universe invites us to talk to Him at anytime and in any place. Yet we rarely take time to accept this invitation. There could be numerous reasons why we don’t pray.
  • 5 Things People Want Their Worship Leaders to Know: Week 2 (aaronwilliamsblog.com)
    ”What would you like to say to worship leaders?”  Week one had some insightful and funny answers.  Week two is equally intriguing with more great insight and some outright honesty.
  • Worship Or Playing Church?Many seem to have the wrong concept of worship. After pondering on Worship, worship is not in the music of particular, it does not matter how old, new, fast or slow it is. God has open my heart and understanding that Christian music is a label we give in flesh. If someone was to play music without any words would you be able to tell if it is Christian music? No. God created music and He loves music. He gives each person their gift be it Rock, contemporary, or R&B.

    We are to choose the words that are pleasing to God. He test us to see what we will do with our gifts. Will they be used for good or bad? Is it used to please God, or flesh?

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  2. Jesus – Was He God?

    Many times Jesus referred to His own deity, both directly and indirectly. Although Jesus confirmed that He was the Messiah (Mark 14:62,63), He did not use the term Messiah to refer to Himself, perhaps to differentiate His deity from the widespread expectation of a human Messiah. Jesus used the terms “Son of Man” and “Son of God” often. Both referred to His divine nature (Daniel 7:13,14; Matthew 26:63,64). Jesus also used the specific words I am (Ego eimi in Greek, Ani bu in Hebrew) on several occasions (e.g., John 8:56-58). God used these same words to describe Himself to Moses. Jesus also states specifically that He and God are “one” (John 10:30), meaning, the same substance, nature and essence.

    And Jesus clearly indicated He had authority over issues controlled only by God, such as forgiveness of sin (Mark 2:5-10), the timeless power of His words (Matthew 24:35), and reception of glory (John 17:5). Perhaps as significant was Jesus’ acceptance of worship (Luke 5:8; John 20:28). The intense monotheistic foundation of the Jews would absolutely forbid any worship of anything but the one true God. Overall analysis of Jesus’ life, His compassionate miracles, His perfect lifestyle, and His love, indicate that His claims alone are trustworthy, and perhaps the strongest evidence of His divinity.

    Did Other People Consider Jesus to Be God?

    The disciples clearly came to view Jesus as God in human flesh, and they worshiped Him as such (Luke 5:8; John 20:28). Certainly, the witnessing of the resurrection and the transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-5) provided irrefutable evidence to them. New Testament writers and early Christian writing define Jesus to be God … our Lord … here on earth (1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Timothy 2:5).

    Is There Other Evidence of Deity?

    Many people say that Jesus’ miracles are evidence of deity. But miracles have been recorded as being performed by other individuals (in the Bible and elsewhere). The Bible states that perfect fulfillment of prophecy proves God’s intervention (Deuteronomy 18:21,22). The odds of all Old Testament prophecies about Jesus coming true in any one man is beyond statistical possibility without divine intervention. And Jesus prophesied with perfect accuracy regarding such things as the precise timing of His death, the detailed manner of His death, His resurrection, and His later appearance in Galilee. Prophetic perfection combined with a claim to be God verifies Jesus’ deity.

    Why Do People Reject Jesus?

    The evidence regarding Jesus is so overwhelming that it seems incredible that many people still reject Him. After all, the promises of inner peace and joy on earth and eternal life in heaven are not bad promises … and they’re easy and free. Rejection of the Messiah, however, should not be surprising. It was often prophesied (Isaiah 53:1-3; Psalm 118:22; Matthew 21:42-46; Luke 16:19-31).

    Ignorance – Perhaps the greatest reason for nonbelief in Jesus is ignorance. Most people take far too little time to investigate their religious beliefs. As a result, world opinion often becomes the basis for the most important issue in life. Views about Jesus may come from a family belief, friends, or a dominant church in the community. People sometimes think a church is teaching biblical Christianity when it’s not. We are individually responsible for comparing teaching to the Bible. In the end, it doesn’t matter what the reason is, if you are wrong. Nor does sincerity matter. As history has shown too often, people can be very sincere, yet sincerely wrong.

    Apathy – Many times people have a false sense of security that God will take care of everyone. This idea is sometimes accompanied with the thought that hell doesn’t exist, or that God will send everyone who “tries to be good” to heaven anyway. The Bible reveals that God’s promises are reserved for His people, and there are many reasons why others “don’t hear” (Matthew 13:11-43). The reality and horror of hell is clearly stated, including the narrow path to get to heaven, which is available to all (Matthew 7:13).

    Fear – Some people fear that becoming a Christian means “giving up fun” or living a strange, secluded life without friends. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that we must start a dull life and turn away from having parties with other people. It says the opposite. The Bible promises that knowing Jesus will let us live life to the fullest (John 10:10). And not only will such freedom draw us to have fun with friends, the Bible says even the angels in heaven throw a party when we accept Jesus as Lord (Luke 15:10).

    Tradition – This reason for rejecting Jesus is often the strongest. But we are each accountable for our own actions. Even society doesn’t send parents to jail for their children’s crimes. Jesus knew He would, at times, cause people to break away from traditional family beliefs (Matthew 10:21,22).

    Some people think that believing in Jesus and being good are the secret to heaven. The Bible says otherwise. It says that religion, speaking in Jesus’ name, and being good are of no value if Jesus doesn’t know us (see Mathew 7:21-23). Knowing Jesus is more than just a belief about Jesus. It means repenting and accepting Jesus’ sacrifice and His claims to be God.

    Jesus Shows God’s Love for Us

    We are all separated from God by imperfection. Even the most righteous people have had unholy thoughts considered sinful by God (see Matthew 5:28). Since God is perfect and holy, His requirement for an eternal, heavenly relationship with Him is perfection that no human can ever offer. So God provided an alternative method to rejoin us with Himself through one perfect sacrifice, forgiving all of our imperfections. The only way for God to have such a perfect sacrifice was for God to fulfill it Himself. By sending His Spirit into Mary (Luke 1:35), God essentially came to earth in human form as Jesus, to be sacrificed and who His love for mankind (see John 3:16). To fully appreciate God’s love, we need to be aware of the excruciating pain and humility Jesus willingly suffered for many who hated (or now hate) Him.

    Rejecting Jesus Shows Our Disdain for God
    Jesus can be rejected in two ways: 1) by a decision to reject Him or 2) by simply not accepting Him. Knowing about Jesus, even believing the gospel story, is not accepting Him nor showing love for God. Even demons and Satan believe the gospel (see Mark 5:6-17). Love for God means acceptance of Jesus. It means turning our lives completely to Him for guidance. The Greek word used in the Bible for “believe” (as in John 3:16) is pisteuo, which literallly means to trust, or have faith in. This means more than intellectual knowledge. Imagine the disdain we show God by not accepting His very precious and loving sacrifice.

    God’s Unaccepted Gift?

    Imagine sending your only child to deliver a gift to show forgiveness to an adversary. Imagine knowing that your child would die painfully while delivering it. Now suppose that person never opened the gift, never accepting forgiveness. Would you choose to be with him forever?

    Acceptance or Rejection Is for Eternity

    The Bible frequently reveals God’s judgment. This does not conflict with God’s love and forgiveness, most emphatically shown through the sacrifice of His Son. But it does reveal that God is just. In the end, the Bible clearly states that there will be a separation of those who trusted Jesus as God, and those who didn’t. This separation is forever (see Luke 13:23-30; Revelation 20:12-15).

    How do we know the Bible is accurate?

    First, the integrity of original biblical manuscripts has been demonstrated by the vast number of manuscripts, precisely copied during the time of eyewitnesses and verified as unchanged by the Dead Sea Scrolls. Secondly, archaeology has shown complete consistency with what we know as the history of the world. Third, hundreds of ancient prophecies contained in the Bible and showing 100 percent accuracy indicate divine guidance and accuracy. And finally, the Bible is 100 percent consistent with established facts of science … corroborated by many of the finest scientists in the world today.

    Why do some people claim the Bible has contradictions?

    After hundreds of years of challenge, the accuracy of the Bible has stood the test of time. Common types of misunderstandings include:

    1. Details that once seemed to contradict science or archaeology. Often our information is too limited to
    know that the Bible is right. For many years, scholars believed the earth was flat, while the Bible indicated a spherical shape. Likewise, critics scoffed at the mention of the early Hittites, or cities like Sodom and Gomorrah, all thought to be nonexistent, yet verified as fact today. Scientist have recently “proven” Einstein’s definition of the universe (consistent with the Bible), which has superseded Newton’s more limited view. The list goes on and on. As archaeology and science learn more, the Bible is verified and has yet to be proven wrong.

    2. Different accounts by different authors. Details contained in different Gospels may at first seem contradictory. However, the accounts simply report events from different vantage points. For example, Matthew records that Mary Magdalene and “the other Mary” went to the tomb. Mark records Mary Magdalene and Mary, mother of James, and Salome as going to the tomb. Luke records “the women,” and John records Mary Magdalene. Are the reports contradictory? No. Different people report different facts. Placed side by side, they just give a more complete picture of what happened.

    The Chronological Visit to the Tomb.

    The three women went to the tomb, saw a “young man” who told them of the resurrection and also told them to go tell the disciples. They left and returned with Peter and John, who viewed the tomb. The disciples then “returned home” and the women stayed. At that time, Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene.

    Like witnesses to an event today, when all testimony is pieced together, it makes perfect sense and a more complete picture is given.

    The Bible extensively reviews heaven, hell, Satan, angels, and demons in many of its 66 books. Surveys show that many more people believe in heaven than in hell. Some nonbiblical religions even deny that hell exists. Yet, Jesus actually spoke more about hell than about heaven. So it would not be wise to ignore hell. Jesus’ parable in Luke 16:19-31 gives us a very poignant warning regarding heaven and hell.

    It would seem wonderful if there was only a path to heaven with no hell. Not surprisingly, false prophets attempting to design a religion for man’s desires try to do away with hell, or convince man that he is God. The Bible is specific concerning the path to heaven, and indicates that other paths lead to hell.

    How Do We Know What Religion is Right?
    No religion is “right” in and of itself. The Bible is about man’s relationship with God, the right way and the wrong way. Any religion that is totally consistent with the Bible’s teaching is right. Any with teaching that is counter to the Bible is wrong.

    So the reliability of the Bible as a guideline is vital. As indicated, the original biblical manuscripts are a miracle in and of themselves. Evidence of reliability, includes: (1) and explosion of credible, corroborative writing, (2) verifiable at the time by eyewitnesses, (3) with eyewitnesses dying for testimony they could affirm to be true, and (4) with many other people, able to know historical facts, also dying for the same beliefs. If the New Testament is true, then the Old Testament is also broadly verified by Jesus (Luke 16:16,17) by over 700 cross-references, by the Dead Sea Scrolls evidence, and by “mathematical proof” of hundreds of prophecies.

    A problem arises when man starts changing or adding to the Bible. Several things would indicate that such inspiration is not from God. First, the Bible commands us not to add to, delete, or change it (Revelation 22:18,19). Secondly, Jesus verified it would not change (Luke 16:17). And third, why would a perfect God change His original, perfect Word? The Bible is very clear that the path to heaven is defined as Christs:

    John 14:6-9 Matthew 27:51-53 John 3:16 Ephesians 2:8
    Acts 4:12 Colossians 1:15-23 John 6:48-58 Hebrews 10:26-31

    Avoiding false gods – The Bible warns against the following false gods:
     A god that is not a single God of the universe (having no peers – including man) is not the God of the
    Bible (1 Timothy 2:5; Isaiah 44:6).
     A god not manifest as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit is not the God of the Bible
    (Luke 12:8-10; John 1:1,2,14; Acts 5:3,4).
     A god that does not proclaim Jesus Christ as the ultimate sacrifice for redemption of those committing
    themselves to Him, is not the God of the Bible (Matthew 27:51-53; Mark 14:24; John 6:48-58; Acts
    4:12; Colossians 1:15-23).

    How Can We Ensure the Right Relationship to Go to Heaven?

    When Jesus said not all who use His name will enter heaven (Matthew 7:21-23), He was referring to people who think using Christ’s name along with rituals and rules is the key to heaven. A relationship with God is not based on rituals or rules. It’s based on grace, forgiveness, and the right relationship.

    How to Have a Personal Relationship with God

    1. Believe that God exists and that He came to earth in the human form of Jesus Christ (John 3:16;
    Romans 10:9).
    2. Accepts God’s free forgiveness of sins through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Ephesians
    2:8-10; 1:7,8).
    3. Switch to God’s plan for life (1 Peter 1:21-23; Ephesians 2:1-5).
    4. Express a desire for Christ to be Director of your life (Matthew 7:21-27; 1 John 4:15).

    People who sincerely take the preceding steps automatically become members of God’s family of believers. A new world of freedom and strength is then available through prayer and obedience to God’s will. New believers also can build their relationship with God by taking the following steps:

     Find a Bible-based church that you like, and attend regularly.
     Try to set aside some time each day to pray and read the Bible.
     Locate other Christians to spend time with on a regular basis.

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    1. People do have to believe that God exists but in the verses you say is not written He came to earth in the human form of Jesus Christ, just the opposite it confirms that God send His son and did not come down Himself.

      Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
      Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.

      And it warns us also to believe that God has given His son to us:
      Joh 3:18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

      Also Romans 10:9 gives us a warning to believe the Holy Scriptures, the Word of God, which should be in our heart and our lips:

      Rom 10:1-12 NHEBJE Brothers, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God is for them, that they may be saved. (2) For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. (3) For being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. (4) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (5) For Moses writes about the righteousness of the law, “The one who does them will live by them.” (6) But the righteousness which is of faith says this, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down); (7) or, ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.)” (8) But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;” that is, the word of faith, which we proclaim: (9) that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (10) For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (11) For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in him will not be disappointed.” (12) For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord of all is rich to all who call on him.

      At no place it says that God came down in a human form, like you assert and promote.

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    2. Does John 1:1-5 mean that Jesus is God?
      by Thomas Gaston

      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it (John 1:1-5 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] )

      This is undoubtedly one of the Trinitarians favourite proof-texts, which explains their habitual misreading of it. John says ‘the Word was God’ but many Trinitarians cannot avoid the temptation to read ‘Jesus was God’, even though it says ‘Word’.

      ‘But “Word” is just another name for Jesus’, responds the Trinitarian, ‘John is just being enigmatic’. But if this were the case, why call Jesus ‘Word’ here and call him ‘Jesus’ throughout the rest of the gospel. No, something more subtle is going on here.

      It is important to point out from the start that the idea that the Word is a person is entirely the assumption of the interpreter. In Greek pronouns (e.g. he, she, it) are used rarely, they are usually implied by the verb, and the gender of the follows the gender of the subject of the clause. In Greek ‘Word’ (logos) is a masculine noun and therefore the verbs in that follow logos are also masculine. However, this tells us nothing about whether the Word is a ‘he’ or ‘it’, because whichever is the case the verbs would be masculine. So we cannot start considering John 1 by looking at pronouns. Instead we need to look at what the Word would have meant to first century readers of John’s gospel.

      In between the testaments there was an important concept in Jewish literature: Wisdom. This was based upon the book of Proverbs, which personifies wisdom as a woman. This concept was developed in two (non-canonical) books: Wisdom of Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus) and Wisdom of Solomon. These two books are not scripture, but they are important because they tell us about the concepts that would have been familiar to the early Christians. In these books Wisdom is described as being spoken by God (Sirach 24:3 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ) and is called ‘Word’ (logos; Wisdom 9:1-2 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ).

      John’s account of the Word parallels these earlier discourses about Wisdom. For instance, Wisdom is said to have been active at Creation (Proverbs 8:22 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] , 30 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ; 3:19-20 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ; Sirach 42:21 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ; Wisdom 9:1-2 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] , 9 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ). However, Wisdom is consistently personified as a female, i.e. ‘she’ (Proverbs 7:4 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ; Sirach 4:11 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] , 6:22 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ; Wisdom 6:12-21 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ). To the first century Jew there would have been no problem in saying that ‘the Word was God’, because Wisdom was not seen as a separate person or a second God but as an expression of God. So when John says ‘in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God’, he was not saying anything that anything first century Jewish monotheist could not say ‘amen’ to, because they knew what he was talking about.

      The radical part of John’s introduction is to say that this Word became flesh (John 1:14 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ), that Jesus was this embodiment of this Word/Wisdom. It may seem very weird to modern readers to talk about concepts like wisdom as though they were people and then having it made into a human baby, but as we have seen this kind of talk would have been familiar to John’s original readers. And though John is making profound claims about Jesus, he is not saying that Jesus existed as a person before his birth and he is not saying that Jesus is God.

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  3. Questions for Christadelphians
    By Matt Slick

    1. According to Christadelphian theology, Jesus had a sinful, fallen nature.
    A. Deut. 17:1 says, “You shall not sacrifice to the Lord your God an ox or a sheep which has a blemish or any defect, for that is a detestable thing to the Lord your God,” (NASB, See alsoEzekiel 43:22-23, 25; 45:18, 23). Of course, Jesus is not an animal. The point is that the sacrifice to a holy God must have no blemish or defect.
    i. “defect” in Hebrew is ra. In this verse, it is translated as “evilfavourdness” in the KJV, as “defect” in the RSV and NKJV, and as “flaw” in the NIV.
    B. Question: If Jesus had a sinful, fallen nature, then isn’t that a defect?
    C. Question: If Jesus’ sinful nature is not a defect, then what would you call it?
    D. Question: If Jesus sinful nature is a defect, then doesn’t that mean His sacrifice is insufficient?
    E. Question: If you state that being obedient is what makes a person “unblemished,” then why are we damned by nature (Eph. 2:3) if it is only our sinful deeds that condemn us?
    2. According to Christadelphian theology, Jesus had to die in order to save himself. Yet the Christadelphians also maintain that Jesus was without blemish or defect.
    A. Question: If this is so, why would Jesus need to save Himself if He had no sin?
    B. Question: If Jesus needed to save Himself, then that means He was not without defect. If that is the case, then how can he be a pure and unblemished sacrifice?
    3. Thomas said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God,” (John 20:28). He was not sinning by using God’s name in vain.
    A. Question: Can you, like Thomas, say to Jesus, “My Lord and my God.”?
    B. Question: If you do call Jesus your Lord and your God, since you believe Jesus is a creation, isn’t that idolatry?
    C. Question: If you do call Jesus your Lord and your God, is Jesus the true God or not?
    D. Question: If you do not call Jesus you Lord and your God, why not? It is biblical.
    4. Jude 4 says, “For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.”
    A. Question: Can you call Jesus your only Master and Lord?
    B. Question: If you do call Jesus your only Master and Lord, then what about God the Father? Is He not also your Lord and Master?
    C. Question: If you call Jesus your “only” Lord and Master, aren’t you committing idolatry?
    D. Question: If you do not call Jesus your only Lord and Master, then aren’t you disobeying the truth of God’s word?
    5. John 1:12 says, “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,”
    A. Question: Have you received Jesus?
    6. In Matt.11:28 Jesus says, “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” The rest He is referring to is rest from the law, from trying to please God by your deeds.
    A. Question: Have you gone to Jesus and rested are or you still trying to please God enough to be saved?
    B. Question: If you have gone to Jesus, how did you do this? In prayer to Jesus?
    7. When we sin, we sin against God because it is His law we are breaking. He is the one who must forgive us because we have offended Him. The one offended is the one who forgives. Someone or something else doesn’t forgive us for our sins against God, only God can do that.
    A. Question: How is it that Jesus is the one who forgives sins (Luke 5:20) if Jesus is not God, the one who is offended?
    B. Question: If you state that it is because Jesus was given authority by God to forgive sins (Matt. 28:19), then have you gone to Jesus and asked Him to forgive you of your sins? Remember, to do that, you must pray to Jesus. Is it right to pray to a creature?

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    1. Lots of questions which normally would demand many pages of reply.

      1. According to Christadelphian theology, Jesus had a sinful, fallen nature.
      A. It is not because Deut. 17:1 says, “You shall not sacrifice to the Lord your God an ox or a sheep which has a blemish or any defect” tat the offer brought to God by Jesus would mean he could not sin. Also the matter that a person can sin does not mean he has to sin. Jesus was tempted more than once and could have gone into the temptation but he did not. It was he free choice to only do the Will of his heavenly Father.
      As you also find yourself “Of course, Jesus is not an animal” and than you continue “The point is that the sacrifice to a holy God must have no blemish or defect”. Jesus only having done the Will of his heavenly Father did not sin and as such would not have any blemish. A defect he had more than one, because before he died he was tortured and by having the crown on his head his figure was very damaged, also by the nails put in his hands and feet, plus the spear going through his heart. But those defects of his natural physical body did not damage his spiritual body, which stayed clean and pure.

      To have a sinful nature is not at all a defect, it is part of the created form. The first man and mannin (1° Adam and Eve) had the same condition like the 2° Adam, Christ Jesus. Every element of Jesus’ life was inspired by the truth and guidance of God, and this was enough proof for God to accept Jesus like he was.

      The first human being reposted and went against the Will of God. Because of their action their descendants also got the human tendency to go against God’s guidance (see Romans 3:23) Sin is breaking or abandoning God’s laws, something Jesus never did.

      It is because Jesus is not God that he can save us from our sins. Jesus was a mortal man who faced the same temptations and weaknesses we face. He was able to relate to what we go through, although unlike us, Jesus never gave in to temptation. Hebrews vividly makes this point. Heb 2:14-18

      The answer is that Jesus never submitted to temptation – he was sinless – therefore, it was not necessary for the grave to hold him. Acts 2:24 . When God resurrected Jesus and made him immortal, he was no longer subject to death and dying. By dying, the power of death was destroyed in Jesus and by extension, for those who belong to Jesus. Paul says in Romans that those who belong to Jesus are set free from the law of sin and death. Rom 8:2-11

      The ransom Jesus paid for us, is often misunderstood as a substitution, ie. Jesus died instead of us. This makes no sense for several reasons – firstly, we still die and secondly, why did Jesus get his life back again if it was paid for a substitutionary ransom? More importantly, this idea of Jesus dying as a substitute for us, takes away from the deep significance of what our Lord has done for us. Jesus was not our substitute, he was our leader/head, showing us how we have to follow Him in our lives.

      The ransom Jesus paid, was the loving sacrifice of his life made to redeem from sin and death, those who would follow him. This sacrifice was not easily made from Jesus’ point of view. He knew that God wanted him to die on the cross. Matt 20:19

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      2. Where did you get it from that “According to Christadelphian theology, Jesus had to die in order to save himself.” As you yourself came to see we also maintain that Jesus was without blemish or defect (in one sense)?

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      3. Thomas by saying to Jesus, “My Lord and my god,” (John 20:28) was not saying Jesus was the God of gods nor did he use God’s name in vain, because he did not use God His Name at all. He used a tittle for any higher person, like many still today use the word god for their idols or for an important figure. In the Bible are Angels, Apollo, Zeus, Moses, Pharaoh called god, but do you think the Bible says they are the god of gods, the Elohim Hashem Jehovah? According to the Bible, the infallible Word of God, there is only One God. A god is something different than the God.
      When you look at John 20:24 that the second “my” indicates two persons: (A): My Lord and God = one person + (B) : My Lord (1 person) and my God (1 person) = two persons. Normally in Greek if only one person is implied there will only be one “my”. Compare Philippians 2:25 and Exodus 21:5 [The same for the use of ‘your’]
      As evidence for the possibility that Thomas has in mind 2 persons idea, we could consider parallels such as Zechariah 12:10:

      Zech 12:10: And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over him, like the bitter weeping over a first-born.

      Thomas is looking on him who was pierced (Christ) but acknowledging that it was both Jesus (physically) and God (emotionally as Zechariah) who were pierced. The context in John 20:24 shares with Zechariah 12:10 that it follows immediately from the reception of the Holy Spirit. While Zech. ch 12-14 (and in particular Zech.12:10-13:1) clearly have a future fulfillment, there are some double fulfillments in the aftermath of the resurrection and in early Acts (e.g. Acts 2:37-39 ) as well as the outpouring of the Spirit. The Lord Jesus himself quotes Zech.13:7 on the night of his crucifixion. These parallels to Zechariah would leave us to conclude

      My Lord (= Lord) and my God (= God)

      An other way of looking at it would be if Thomas (who believes in God & who believes in the Old Testament) says “My Lord and my God”, the God of Thomas – as a Jew – is still God. It is by those who take God to be also some else, like Pharaoh, Jesus or Moses, they could take the other person to be meant like you think Thomas meant Jesus when he said ‘God’.
      Either of the above readings is possible. But ultimately whether “My Lord and my God” = one person, or two, may not matter so much due to the context about Thomas which has been built up earlier in the Gospel of John.

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      4. Jude 4 about denying “our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.”
      In the time of Jesus like in our time there are many lords. Why should we not be allowed to call Jesus our only Master and Lord? Lord is not always a substitute for the Most High God.

      God the Father is the Lord over the lord of lords, Jesus Christ. Jesus very well knew that he could say a lot of things, do a lot of things other man could not do, but he knew also very well that he could not do anything with his Father Who is greater than him. (John 14:28) Also the apostles knew they could be lord of the house, or lord of the ecclesia, but that Jesus was their master and lord, though Jesus was himself under the Most High Almighty Lord, Jehovah, the God of gods.

      We advice you to look at and read the following articles:
      Being Religious and Spiritual 4 Philosophical, religious and spiritual people
      People Seeking for God 6 Strategy
      People Seeking for God 7 The Lord and lords
      Lord and owner

      We also have a lord over the world according to the Bible. Compare also Al-Fatiha [The Opening/De Opening] Süra 1:1-3 In the name of Allah the Merciful Lord Of The Creation and Al-Fatiha [The Opening] Süra 1: 4-7 Merciful Lord of the Creation to show us the right path + Find also Trusting, Faith, calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #3 Voice of God #6 Words to feed and communicate + The Song of The Lamb #5 Revelation 5

      We should carefully investigate texts where is is spoken about the Lord of lords. Often we can see that when we look at the original writing there is no such thing written but stands the name of the person meant. It was in centuries after the apostles that by reproducing the Bible texts Lord was written in place or the real names of the two different characters, on one side Jehovah God and on the other hand Jesus Christ the rabbi and prophet.

      You see we can use also other tittles to point to Jeshua, the Nazarene who is consider to be the Christos, the Christ or Messiah (all titles which we can use for him)

      When we do take Jesus as our Master we do not have any reason at all to say to Jesus, “My Lord and my God.” because in this time and age we can not stand in front of Jesus and you like many others take the phrase out of context. But we can talk about our Jesus and our God and as such say “my Jesus” and “my God”, but not this last saying as meaning it to be Jesus. That God should be the God, Jehovah.

      Where do you get it from we would call Jesus our Lord and our God? as you rightly point out we do believe Jesus is a creature and calling him or taking him to be the God of gods would be idolatry.

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      5. John 1:12 says, “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,”
      A. Question: Have you received Jesus?

      We do believe Jesus is the only begotten son of God, like it is written in the bible. Nowhere in the Bible stands that Jesus is God or that there is a Holy Trinity.

      We believe also that Jesus was the promised Messiah, who gave his body for the sins of many and really died (remember that God can not die).

      We received Christ Jesus in the sense that we welcomed him, allowed him to enter in our heart and allowed him to mould us to children of God, to be also gathered together as sons and daughters of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.

      We do not know what you mean with “receiving Christ”, but we received his salvation, and we received his teachings to which we want to be thruthfull.

      We do know that we also received the Holy Spirit, but that is not Christ, that is the Power of God.

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      (Time is at hand so we have to close)
      6 & 7 we are going to treat together because you ask us if we have come to Jesus, but in a certain way we do not have only to come to Jesus and we can go straight ahead to God.

      Jesus paved the way and restored the relationship between God and man; He is also the mediator between god and man. (Again a proof he is not God, because that he would not be able to mediate between God and man).

      There is no need to pray to Jesus. He himself learned us to pray to his heavenly Father the Only One God, his God and the God of Abraham. But yes in case we are weary and heavy-laden we can go to him and he shall give us rest.

      Why should we not be able to got to Jesus as well as to his Father? Do you really think we can not please God when we respect His son and when we also would ask him things?

      As we said we do prefer that people would pray, not to Jesus, but to Jehovah God. So we can not answer how we or others would go in prayer to Jesus, because we do not?

      Concerning the forgiving you do take a wrong standpoint which also not confers with the law ruling and court ruling in real life. When we sin, we sin against God because it is His law we are breaking. According to you it is Him Who only can forgive us, but than you seem to forget the position God has given to the priests in the psst, the judges and most important to the preferred son whom God has taken at his side. As you say in the end it is God Who must forgive us, but not always because we have offended Him, and the act of forgiving must not have to be presented by Him. Jesus, according the Bible shall be returning to the earth to judge the living and the dead.

      The passage you are quoting does not say at all that Jesus is the one who forgives sins

      “And seeing their faith, he said, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.” (Luke 5:20 ASV)

      Jesus tells them that the sins are forgiven. He does not say by him and clearly knows it was by his Father, what he at other occasions also let to understand the onlookers.

      Yes we state that Jesus can say such things and that he shall be able to judge at the end-times, it is because Jesus was given authority by God to forgive sins (Matt. 28:19).
      Then you ask “have you gone to Jesus and asked Him to forgive you of your sins?” But why should we go to him to ask that when we can ask it straight ahead to his and our Father, about Whom Jesus learned us to ask “and forgive us our daily sins, like we forgive others”.

      You conclude your questions with ” Remember, to do that, you must pray to Jesus.” But we can not agree with that because we should pray not to Christ Jesus but to Jehovah God, according ot the Biblical teaching.

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  4. The Christadelphians, John 1:1, and “The Word Became Flesh”

    The Bible bears witness of Jesus (John 5:39). He is our Savior, our King, and Lord. But not all who call themselves Christian agree on who Jesus is. Some say He is God in flesh, others that He is an angel who became a man, and still others teach He only came into existence at His birth. Such is the position of the Christadelphians. To them, Jesus did not exist as God. To them, He was just a man who first existed at His birth.

    If you are a Christian who knows His Bible, then you will immediately recognize the error of the Christadelphians. The Bible says that whoever denies that Jesus has come in the flesh is of the spirit of the Antichrist (1 John 4:1-2). Of course, the Christadelphians agree that Jesus came in the flesh. But they will not agree that He is God in flesh.

    John wrote 1 John and the gospel of John. In John 1:1,14, he said, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . .and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. . .” Obviously, from the context, John is not simply saying that you must believe that Jesus lived, you must believe that He is the Word made flesh. And since he already said that the Word was God, Jesus, therefore, is God in flesh.

    This seems simple enough. But it isn’t for the Christadelphians. In their pamphlet “Who is Jesus Christ?”, the “Word” is discussed. On page 12, in reference to John 1:1, the pamphlet says, “The Greek term translated ‘word’ is logos. It signifies the outward form of inward thought or reason, or the spoken word as illustrative of thought, wisdom and doctrine. The Bible teaching is that in the very beginning, God’s purpose, wisdom or revelation was proclaimed through His Word. This Word was ‘with God’ in that it emanated from Him; it ‘was God’ in that it represented Him to mankind. . .”

    The problem with their reasoning is not that their definition, in itself, is incorrect. For it can be said that the Word was indeed the wisdom and emanation from God. But that is not all it is saying. It is saying that the Word WAS God. Jesus IS the Word. He isn’t simply a manifestation of some divine attribute or quality. Also, what about the context?
    In John 1:2-3 it says, “He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made” (NIV). First, the word is referred to as masculine. Wisdom in Proverbs 8:1-2 is personified as feminine. There is a difference. Second, the Word is who created all things (See also Colossians 1:16-17). Of course, it is naturally understood that this does not include God Himself. But all that is made, has been made by the Word that became flesh. Third, the Word is referred to as a person, not a quality which the Christadelphians have imposed into the text.

    In reference to John 1:14, “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory, glory of the only begotten full of grace and truth,” the pamphlet states on page 13, “When did the begettal take place? When the Holy Spirit came upon Mary. By that means, the Declaration of Divine wisdom found its substance and reality in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ.” It is interesting to note that they call wisdom ‘divine.’ They are saying that divine wisdom became flesh. Is not Jesus, then, divine since He is the incarnation of divinity? They would disagree. But that is what they are saying, though they don’t realize it.

    If Jesus is not God in flesh, then why is He worshiped (Matt. 2:2, 11, 14:33, John 9:35-38, Heb. 1:6)? This is especially important since Jesus said that you are to worship God (the Father) only (Matt. 4:10). Yet, Jesus receives worship and never rebukes anyone for it.

    If Jesus is not God, then why is He called God by Thomas who said to Jesus in John 20:28, “My Lord and my God.” Jesus didn’t correct him for his error.

    Once while in a Christadelphian church (known as a Hall; their body of believers who are Christadelphians are called an ecclesia), a woman challenged me to find any place in the Bible where Jesus is called God. When I showed her the verse, she was silent. No one there has answered it yet. The verse is Hebrews 1:8. Here is the context: Heb. 1:5-8 . . .
    “For to which of the angels did He [God] ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”? 6But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.” 7And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.” 8But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.”
    Jesus is called God by God. If He is not God, then why does the Father call Him God? Is the Father wrong? Is the writer of Hebrews wrong. Or, are the Christadelphians wrong?

    While at another ecclesia, I asked some Christadelphians about Jesus being worshiped. They told me they thought He was worthy of worship. They said they never worshiped Jesus. I asked them why not. They didn’t have an answer.

    In the Christadelphian pamphlet, “Who is Jesus Christ?” none of the verses about Jesus being worshiped or called God were addressed. I think this is revealing. It is easy to produce clever arguments against various proof texts of Jesus deity (Col. 1:16-17; John 8:58, etc.), as the pamphlet does. But when it doesn’t address the most basic of verses that deal with Jesus’ being worshiped and called God, I must conclude that they have not done all the research needed and that their conclusions are in error. And they are in error.

    Remember, faith is only as good as who it is placed in. The Christadelphian Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. The Christadelphian Jesus isn’t God. The Jesus of the Bible is.

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    1. Jesus is the fulfilment of the Word spoken by God. A word is something which comes from an action to let the breath going out of the mouth and by giving a shape with the mouth making a sound. The shape of the mouth to make the sounds is decided by the mind which make up thoughts. Those thoughts are brought forward in the sounds to be understood. Good from the beginning of times did know what He was going to do and had the names of the good and the bad written in His Book of life (see Revelation). Man having decided to go against the will of God, denying His Power, got penalised but god directly provided a solution: a Messiah, somebody who was going to bring salvation. This was brought forward straight ahead after the wrongdoing of the first man, long before Abraham was born. As such God had spoken about the one who would make an end to the penalty of death. That person was going to be Jesus, the Kristos or Christ. What would be the use of God coming so many years later to fake that he could be tempted, because God cannot be tempted, and to fake His death, because God cannot die?

      You seem to make Jesus Christ a literal Word, but a word is a subject and Jesus is a person. Jesus ‘is’ or because it happened in the past for us ‘was’ the word “made flesh”. (John 1:14). The Greek word “logos” translated “Word” expresses the divine intention, mind, or purpose.
      1 Young defines “logos” as “a word, speech, matter, reason.”
      2 In the a.v. “logos” is translated by more than 20 different English words and is used for utterances of men (e.g., #Jo 17:20) as well as those of God (#Jo 5:38).

      God had spoken in the Garden of Eden about the person of which later in times the angel also brought the message to the young girl telling her she was to be with child, though she did not have had any intercourse with a man. She brought on to the world a child, a human being of flesh and blood, that could be seen by everybody, (god cannot be seen by man or they would fall death according to the Holy Scriptures), had to learn everything and still did not know a lot of things, even did not know when he would be coming back to the earth or who would be seated next to him in heaven, (God knows everything and also does not tell lies. In case Jesus is God he did not tell the truth on many occasions and as such would be a liar.) Jesus was no spirit and after his death he also proved this to his disciples. (God is Spirit according to the Scriptures, thus this would be once again a lie.) According to the Scriptures Jesus was also lower than angels, though God is, was and always shall be the Most High. Jesus did not merely assume a fleshly body, as angels had done in the past (Ge 18:1-3; 19:1; Jos 5:13-15), is attested to by the apostle John, who says that one is antichrist who denies that Jesus Christ came “in the flesh.” (1Jo 4:2,3) In order to provide the ransom for mankind and thereby to help those who would be his associates in the heavenly calling, the Word became flesh, being born all human, no incarnation.

      The Bible tells us this: “Since the ‘young children’ are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things.” (Heb 2:14-16) His earthly sojourn was spoken of as “the days of his flesh.” (Heb 5:7) “The bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world,” Jesus said. He went on to state that those hoping to remain in union with him must ‘eat his f lesh and drink his blood.’ Not appreciating the spiritual, symbolic significance of his words, some construed the statement as cannibalistic and were shocked. —  (Joh 6:50-60).

      Honouring and worshipping are not the same and it is not because people worship something or someone that it proofs that that peron or element is really god. Look at the Hindus who worship their cows. In your way of thinking the cow would be God.(!?!)

      “{1} Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we saw his star in the east, and are come to {2} worship him. {1) Or [Where is the King of the Jews that is born?] 2) The Greek word denotes an act of reverence whether paid to a creature (see Mt 4:9; 18:26), or to the Creator (see Mt 4:10)}” (Matthew 2:2 ASV)

      According to your thinking Moses, Pharaoh, Ali, Maradonnah, Presly, Spears, Cloony and many others are God, because several people , like angels, in the Bible were and are called god. Know that god is a tittle for a mighty or important person. It is not a name.

      Thomas’ confession is an acknowledgment that Jesus had indeed risen from the dead, but it is not a declaration that Jesus is “God the Son”. Thomas, a Jew, used a mode of expression common to the Old Testament in which accredited representatives of God are referred to as “god”. Angels are called “god” in the following passages: (#Ge 16:7) cf. (#Ge 16:13; 22:8, 11, 15) cf. vs. (#Ge 22:16; Ex 23:20, 21). Moses is referred to as a “god” to Pharaoh. (#Ex 7:1), “god” is translated from the Heb. “elohim”). “Elohim” translated “God” can refer to the judges of Israel as in (#Ps 82:1, 6) cf. (#Jo 10:34). It is also translated “judges” in (#Ex 21:6; 22:8, 9) and “gods” (mg. “judges”) in (#Ex 22:28).

      Lots of men worship their wife, do you consider that woman to be God then? Lots of people worship their idols. Several even do have altars or shrines for them. Do you consider those idols, football-stars, film-stars, to be God?

      Elvis Presly has even fans who revere him and have churches for worship for him. Do you think he is God?

      Please look at our articles about deity, reverence, giving praise, worship a.o. and the Biblical examples which can be found to proof we follow the speaking of the Bible, the Word of God.

      Jesus very well knew that Word of God as laid in the Srciptures. He told us to examine it and study it regularly. He also told us not to worship or to pray to him but to pray to his heavenly Father (remember the lord’s prayer “Our Father”), without whom he (Jesus) could do nothing and who is greater than Jesus.

      “Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father doing: for what things soever he doeth, these the Son also doeth in like manner.” (John 5:19 ASV)

      “Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28 ASV)

      “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Corinthians 11:3 ASV)

      This man has received life again and the possibility to sit at the right hand of his heavenly Father (note: not on god His throne, but sitting next to God) to be a high-priest (God does not have to be a priest for Himself) and a mediator between God and man (if Jesus is God he can not be a mediator between Himself and man).

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  5. Acts 20:28 – Purchased by God’s Blood

    Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

    In the incarnation Jesus was both fully God and fully man. As God, He had all the attributes of deity. As a man, He had all the attributes of humanity. Though Christ ad two natures: one human and one divine, He was always one person. In the incarnation, the person of Christ is the partaker of the attributes of both natures so that whatever may be affirmed of either nature, human or divine, may be affirmed by one person.

    In His human nature, Christ knew hunger (Luke 4:2), weariness (John 4:6), and the need for sleep (Luke 8:23). In His divine nature, Christ was omniscient (John 2:24), omnipresent (John 1:48), and omnipotent (John 11). And all of these, the attributes of both His human nature and His divine nature, were experienced by the one person of Christ.

    Though Christ is omniscient, part of His “self-emptying” in the incarnation (Philippians 2:5-11) involved His voluntary choosing not to use some of His divine attributes on some occasions, so that He could properly fulfill His mediatorial mission as assigned by the Father. Mark 13:32 is an example of this.

    It is significant to note that both human and divine characteristics and deeds may be attributed to Christ’s person under any of His names, whether they be divine or human titles. Indeed, regardless of the designation Scripture employs, the person of the Son, and not one of His natures, is always the subject of the statement. Theolologian Robert Gromacki explains:

    It is proper to say that Jesus was the Redeemer even though no human could
    save another. It is also correct to state that the Son of God thirsted although
    God doesn’t have to drink to sustain Himself. Human attributes were ascribed
    to Him under a divine title: Emmanuel, the Son of God, was born (Matt. 1:23,
    Luke 1:35) and the Lord of glory was crucified (1 Cor. 2:8). On the opposite side,
    divine attributes were ascribed to Him under a human title: the Son of man
    ascended to heaven where He was before (John 6:62) and the slain Lamb was
    worthy to receive power, riches, wisdom, strength, honor, glory, and blessing
    (Revelation 5:12).

    God as God does not bleed. He had no blood in His divine nature to shed. However, Christ in the in the incarnation is the God-man. It is from the vantage point of His manhood that Christ could shed His blood. Yet, as noted above, human attributes can be ascribed to Christ under a divine title. This
    is the case in Acts 20:28. We find a referenced to God, who purchased the church “with His own blood.” Christ is referred to with a divine name (“God”), but the action ascribed to Him is rooted in His humanity (He shed His “blood”). Clearly, then the thought of Acts 20:28 is that it was at the cost of the life of the incarnate Second Person of the Godhead that the elect people of God were redeemed. Christ the God-man shed His blood.

    Question:
    Since Christ is both fully God and fully man and since both human and divine characteristics and deeds may be attributed to Christ’s person under any of His names (whether they be divine or human titles) can you see how Christ as God can be said to shed His blood to purchase the church?

    Titus 2:13 – Our Great God and Savior

    looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ

    A study of the Old Testament indicates that is only God who saves. In Isaiah 43:11, God asserts: “I, even I, and the Lord [Yahweh], and apart from me there is no savior”. This is an extremely important
    verse, for it indicates that 1) a claim to be Savior is, in itself, a claim to deity; and 2) there is only one Savior, God. Since the New Testament clearly refers to Jesus Christ as the Savior, the only conclusion that makes sense is that Christ is indeed God. Shortly after His birth, an angel appeared to a group of
    Nearby shepherds and said, “Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you: he is Christ the Lord” (Luke 2:11). John’s Gospel records the conclusion reached by the Samaritans: Jesus “really is the Savior of the world” (John 4:42).

    Reputable top Greek scholars: Bruce Metzger, H.E. Dana, Julius Mantey (and many others) positively affirms that Titus 2:13 asserts that Jesus is the great God and Savior. [H.E. Dana and Julius R. Mantey, A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament (New York: Macmillan and Co., 1957). P. 147]

    Questions:

    If only God can save, and if there is no other Savior that God (Isaiah 43:11), then doesn’t this mean
    that New Testament references to Jesus as Savior point to His deity?

    If not, then how do you reconcile Jesus’ role as Savior with Isaiah 43:11?

    If only one person is in view in Titus 2:13, then what does this tell you about Jesus’ true identity?

    Isaiah 9:6 – Jesus a “Mighty God’?

    For to us a child is born,
    To us a son is given,
    And the government will be on his shoulders.
    And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

    Note that God the Father is also called “Mighty God” in Isaiah 10:21, and the fact Jesus too is called “Mighty God” points to His equality with God the Father. The phrase “Mighty God” is translated from the Hebrew word Elohim. Elohim is a very common name for God in the Old Testament; it is used about 2,570 times. It literally means “strong one,” and its plural ending (im in Hebrew) indicates fullness of power. Elohim is portrayed in the Old Testament as the powerful and sovereign Governor of the universe, ruling over the affairs of humankind. As related to God’s sovereignty, the word Elohim is used to described Him as the “God of all the earth” (Isaiah 54:5), the “God of all flesh” (Jeremiah 32:27), the “God of heaven” (Nehemiah 2:4), and the “God of gods and Lord of lords” (Deuteronomy 10:17).

    In Isaiah 40:3, Jesus is called both Yahweh (Jehovah) and Elohim in the same verse: “In the desert prepare the way for the Lord [Yahweh]; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God [Elohim]. This verse was written in reference to the future ministry of Jesus Christ (see John 1:23), and represents one of the strongest affirmations of Christ’s deity in the Old Testament. Also, in referring to “our God” (as opposed to “their” God [of the New Testament] Isaiah was affirming that Jesus Christ was the God of both the Old and New Testaments.

    John 4:23 – Worship the Father Only?

    Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

    The fact is, Christ was worshiped as God many times according to the Gospel accounts, and He always accepted such worship as appropriate. Jesus accepted worship from Thomas (John 20:28). All the angels are told to worship Jesus (Hebrews 1:6). The wise men worshiped Jesus (Matthew 2:11); a leper worshiped Him (Matthew 8:2); and the disciples worshiped Him (Matthew 28:17).

    Note that the same Greek word (proskuneo) for worship is used for both the Father and Jesus Christ.

    In the Book of Revelation, God the Father and Jesus Christ are clearly seen as receiving the same worship. We see in Revelation 4:10, where the Father is worshiped, and Revelation 5:11-14, where we see all of heaven worshiping the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ.

    Question:

    What can we conclude about Jesus’ true identity when we read in the Book of Revelation that He receives the same worship that is given to the Father?

    Jesus Truly did die on the Cross

    There are numerous predictions in the Old Testament that Jesus would die (Isaiah 53:5-10; Psalm 22:16; Zechariah 12:10. There are many predictions in the Bible that Jesus would be resurrected (see Psalm 16:10; Isaiah 26:19, John 2:19; Matthew 12:40), but one cannot be resurrected unless one has first died.

    Jesus often spoke of the fact that He was going to die for the sins of humankind (John 2:19-21; Matthew 12:40; Mark 8:31).

    Jesus’ own mother and His beloved disciple John were eyewitnesses of His crucifixion (John 19:25-27).

    Jesus was beaten beyond recognition by Roman guards, given a crown of thorns, and then crucified. Huge spikes were driven through His wrists and feet, resulting in heavy blood loss. He was stabbed in the side with a spear; from the spear would came “blood and water” (John 19:34). The accumulation of such wounds yields 100 percent nonsurvival. Medical authorities who have examined the circumstances and nature of Christ’s death have concluded that He actually died on the cross. (Refer to article in the Journal of the American Medical Society March 21, 1986).

    At the last moment of life, Jesus gave up His spirit to the Father (Luke 23:46-49). Pilate checked to make sure Jesus was dead (Mark 15:44-45)

    Ancient non-Christian historians recorded Christ’s death as a fact. This includes such notables as the Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus and the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus. And early Christian writers like Polycarp affirmed Christ’s death.

    Bible is clear that God the Father Himself allowed Jesus to die on the cross for the salvation of humankind (Romans 8:3-4; 1 Peter 1:18-20). It is also clear that God often allows His servants (whether prophets, apostles, or His own Son) to suffer. There is no incompatibility between God’s sovereignty and His allowance of certain events that, from our limited perspective, seem unfair or bad.

    Why did Jesus die on the cross?

    “The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many”
    (Matthew 20:28).

    “There is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men” (1 Timothy 2:5-6).

    “He had died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first convenant” (Hebrews 9:15).

    “Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed” (1 Corinthians 5:7).

    “Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people” (Hebrews 9:28).

    You know, you can go and plug in to every kind of religious system that’s running around the world and they might give you sympathy and they might give you understanding, but they’ll never give you resurrection. They’ll never take you through the grave and out the other side. They’ll never give you eternal life in heaven because they don’t have the power…that resides alone in Jesus Christ.

    When we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior and exchange takes place. We give him our sins, and he forgives us and makes us right with God (see 2 Corinthians 5:21). There is nothing we can do to earn this. Only through Christ can we be made right in God’s eyes. What an incredible bargain this is for us! But sadly, many still choose to pass up this gift to continue “enjoying” their sin.
    Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ (no one else) (Romans 1:16,17) That’s why the most wretched individual or the most gross life can come to Jesus Christ, put his faith in Jesus Christ, spend forever in eternity whereas the most philanthropic charitable person in the world who turned their back on Jesus Christ will spend forever in hell.

    If you were to die right now, do you think you would enter into Heaven? Would you like to have the absolute assurance that you will be welcome there? If so then:
    • Admit that you are a sinner
    • Acknowledge Jesus Christ as the only one who could die for you sins.
    • Pray: “I’m a sinner, forgive me of my sins Lord.”
    • Repent (turn away from sin and turn toward God) and be converted.
    • Open your heart right now and receive Jesus into your life.

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    1. where do you get it from in Scriptures “incarnation Jesus was both fully God and fully man”? The god of the Bible clearly says about the man in the river Jordan “This is my only begotten beloved son”. Do you want us to believe God did not tell the truth? Did God tell a lie, hiding He was standing there in the water, being seen by many people, which would contradict an earlier saying of God, that man would die if they saw God?

      Strangely enough you yourself quote enough verses to give an indication that Jesus was really a man of flesh and blood, though you want us to believe he was not just a man but The God.

      Having divine attribute written to somebody or given to somebody does not mean that person is God. You may have a very divine partner or we can see people who do divine acts of brotherly love, but they are not God.

      That a person is worshipped as god does not proof he or she or it (because there are also many animals and even trees and plants, stars and comments worshipped as god). Do you think Elvis Presley is God? Though he is worshipped as god and there are many churches for him where he is worshipped as god.
      You also say “Christ was worshiped as God many times according to the Gospel accounts”, can you show those places in the gospel where it says Jesus was worshipped as the Gdo of gods?
      You are wrongly interpreting the account in the gospel of John, overlooking a small word “and” where it also not tells us that Jesus would have accepted worship from Thomas (John 20:28). “Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.” Remember also this could be interpreted also in two ways having also god being the title which Apollo, Zeus, Chaos, Pharaoh, Moses and angels had though we do hope you do not consider Pharaoh and Moses to be one and the same person, being the God.!?!
      Thomas’ confession is an acknowledgement that Jesus had indeed risen from the dead, but it is not a declaration that Jesus is “God the Son”. Thomas, a Jew, used a mode of expression common to the Old Testament in which accredited representatives of God are referred to as “God”. Angels are called “God” in the following passages: (#Ge 16:7) cf. (#Ge 16:13; 22:8, 11, 15) cf. vs. (#Ge 22:16; Ex 23:20, 21). Moses is referred to as a “god” to Pharaoh. (#Ex 7:1), “god” is translated from the Heb. “elohim”). “Elohim” translated “God” can refer to the judges of Israel as in (#Ps 82:1, 6) cf. (#Jo 10:34). It is also translated “judges” in (#Ex 21:6; 22:8, 9) and “gods” (mg. “judges”) in (#Ex 22:28).
      Earlier in this chapter, Jesus told Mary, “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God and your God.” (#Jo 20:17). Since Jesus was to ascend to his God, then clearly he was not himself “Very God”

      You seem to think that all the angels are told to worship Jesus (Hebrews 1:6). In the verse is written: (ASV) {1 } And when he again {2 } bringeth in the firstborn into {3 } the world he saith, {4 } And let all the angels of God worship him. {1) Or And again, when he bringeth in 2) Or shall have brought in 3) Gr the inhabited earth 4) De 32:43 (Sept); compare Ps 97:7 }
      In the original text is written: Heb 1:6 And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, “Let all the messengers of Elohim do reverence to Him.”
      Bringing reverence to some one or to bring honour to some one is not at all like worshipping God. Do you never honour the dead of the wars or other dead or do you never honour persons who did something special or give contributions for special people? Are you than worshipping them to be God? Or are you then bringing worship to people, contradictory to the commandments of God? Also you can look at this verse that reverence was brought to the Elohim or to the Most High, Who is God and than there would also be nothing wrong to have the word worshipped being place there, because the wise man bringing worship to God had all reason to thank God for bringing this child on the world because he is the promised Messiah, where all the world looked for.

      From your question we notice you do not seem to understand the position of ‘a god’ and ‘The God’, not understanding that ‘god’ is a ‘title’ and not a ‘name’ and confusing giving a person a higher quotation or higher position does not have to mean that by doing so he or she is placed on the same level of the Most High God or perhaps even higher.

      The wise men did not worshipped Jesus as worshipping God (Matthew 2:11) which says:”And coming into the house, they saw the Child with Miryam His mother, and fell down and did reverence to Him, and opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.” Plenging reverence is not the same as worhsipping The God or does not mean honouring to be The God of gods.

      Do you never give reverence to your partner? When you do not, are you not doing shortage to your partner and to Scripturres, so also to God, because it is requested from a man and a woman to give reverence to each other.

      Naturally John 1:23 saying “He said, “I am a voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of יהוה {Jehovah},’ as the prophet Yeshayahu said.” is totally referring to Old scriptures and to what we should all know and which Jesus did clearly know and told about what he did. Jesus prepared us the way to his heavenly Father Who is God and not himself (Jesus)

      Probably you are using a bible translation where they omitted the Name of God and where they tried to confuse people bu using everywher ‘Lord’ so that the reader can not figure out about whom is written and can get confused between Jehovah (the Only One God) and the son of God (Jeshua, Jesus Christ the Messiah, a son of man and not god the son like they want all to believe).

      Please come to see about whom is written in these passages:
      Isaiah 40:3 ¶ The voice of one {1 } that crieth, Prepare ye in the wilderness the way of Jehovah; make level in the desert a highway for our God. {1) Or that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way etc }
      Matthew 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of through Isaiah the prophet, saying, {1 } The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make ye ready the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. {1) Isa 40:3 }
      Mark 1:3 {1 } The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make ye ready the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight; {1) Isa 40:3 }
      Luke 3:4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, {1 } The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make ye ready the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight. {1) Isa 40:3 ff }
      We should give honour, which does not have to mean we have to worship him as The God, to the one son of man, who was declared by the heavenly Father as God His son (and not God Himself). Jesus is the man who not only showed the way to God, he is The Way to God and the Way to enter the Kingdom of God. That we should come to recognise, by accepting what this man from Nazareth came to tell the world and what he really did for all mankind; You seem to nullify his act of dying for us all by making him to The God,Who is an eternal Spirit and cannot die, though Christ Jesus really did die and never faked his fear for man nor his fear for death, though God Himself told the world man can do Him nothing and death can not do Him anything. Why do you think Jesus sweated blood and cried on his heavenly Father, the God of Abraham Who is also the God of Jesus and the God of Jesus’ disciples. In case Jesus is God how can God abandon Himself and how can God sit next to Himself and how can God be a mediator between Himself and man? Worst of all, the Bible tells us that Jesus was also lower than angels, though we do know God is, was and always shall be the Most High. Making Jesus into God makes then a fool of that God who never tells how the things really are and Who fools people by telling them all sorts of things and not telling them the truth, like Him saying He does not know when he comes back or who would be seated next to Him, though God knows everything. We would call such a non telling how it really is, not telling the truth, and as such being a liar. So you make God into a liar?!

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    2. When Jesus would be God and vice versa are they both not fooling the public?

      Who is making a mockery of whom?

      When there is a bank-manager who asks his employees to write in a special savings-program bringing a lot of interest and then demands the clerks to transfer the money in his special account, leaving no money any more to the clients, when they come back to ask their money back and say they have been scammed, though the clerks and the manager say that they are not responsible and that they have done nothing, whose at fault. Is the manager telling a liar when he says it was not him or is the clerk guilty and lying when he says it was not him asking and receiving the money of the investors?
      Clearly here we have to do with two or more different persons. Would you call the bank-manager a liar when he says it was his clerk? Or would you say the clerk is a liar when he says it was his boss or even father?

      What is the difference in Jesus and God their case. Is Jesus than not a liar when he says he is not doing all those miracles? Is Jesus not being a liar when he says it is not him but his heavenly Father? You claim that Jesus is the same person as the Father, namely that they both are the One True God, Creator of heaven and earth.

      Would the Father saying that He cannot be seen by man or they would die, and telling He is an eternal Spirit to Whom man can do nothing, not making a fool out of Himself by doing that He is afraid of man and afraid of death, though He Himself knows everything and knows that He cannot die?

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  6. What the Bible says about THE CHURCH:

    1. There is only one true church:
    • All believers have been baptized into one body 1 Cor. 12:13-20
    • Believers are one in body though they are many in number & diversity Rom. 12:4-8
    • Though it is difficult to understand (a mystery) all believers are of the Eph. 3:5-7
    Same body and follow the same Gospel
    • All believers are unique and especially joined together Eph. 2:10-22
    • All believers are one family in Jesus Gal. 3:26-29
    • All believers are spiritually one, just as Jesus and the Father are one John 17:11-13
    • All believers were designed by God to be one body Col. 3:15

    2. There is only one gospel message:
    • There is only one simple Gospel message which saves men 1 Cor. 15:1-14
    • The one simple Gospel message is frequently distorted II Cor. 11:3,4
    • Any message that alters the simple Bible gospel is false Gal. 1:8

    3. The true “Witnesses” are Witnesses of Jesus:
    • They practice an earth wide witness of Jesus Acts 1:8
    • Their message includes salvation in Jesus’ name Acts 4:12
    • Their message includes a confession of Jesus before man Luke 12:8,9
    • Their faith includes an experience of Jesus in their midst Matt. 18:20
    What the Bible says about FALSE DOCTRINES:
    • Perverting the Gospel Gal. 1:6,7
    • Deception of Satan II Cor. 11:13-15
    • Deceive many Matt. 24:5,25
    • Attract many II Peter 2:2
    • Covetous Titus 1:11
    • Love error II Tim. 4:3,4
    • Avoid Rom. 16:17,18
    • Test I John 4:1
    What the Bible says about the DEITY OF JESUS:
    1. FACT: The Bible reveals that Jesus is called God…
    • The Word was God John 1:1
    • Thomas said: “My Lord and My God” John 20:28
    • God the Father calls Jesus God Heb. 1:8
    • I AM – God’s name in the Old Testament Exodus 3:14
    • I AM – Before Abraham I AM John 8:58

    2. FACT: The Bible teaches that Jesus is Deity…
    • It was prophesied Isaiah 9:6
    • Acknowledged by Thomas John 20:18
    • Affirmed by the Apostles Rom. 9:5, Heb. 1:8
    • Acclaimed by witnesses John 1:14,18

    3. FACT: The Bible teaches that Jesus has the attributes of God the Father…
    • All Powerful Matt. 28:18
    • All Knowing Col. 2:3
    • Ever Present Matt 18:20
    • Eternal John 1:1,2,15

    4. FACT: The Bible teaches that Jesus is worshipped by…
    • The Old Testament saints Joshua 5-13-15
    • The Demons Mark 5:6
    • A certain blind man John 9:38
    • All Angels Heb. 1:6
    • The Disciples Matt. 28:17
    • The saints in glory Rev. 7:9,10
    • Mary Magdalene Matt. 8:9
    • Eventually, by everyone Phil 2:10, 11
    What the Bible says about The TRINITY:
    1. There is only one God:
    • The Lord our God is one Lord Deut. 6:4
    • There is no other god with Me, i.e.,as far as there being a god, Isaiah 43:10
    I am the only one in heaven
    • No God was formed before me or after me Isaiah 43:10
    • No God was formed before me or after me Isaiah 44:6
    • There is no other God Isaiah 44:6

    2. Yet each is called God:
    • Father Eph. 4:6; John 6:27
    • Son Heb. 1:8; Titus 2:13
    • Holy Spirit Acts 5:3,4

    3. Yet each is described as CREATOR:
    • Father Isaiah 44:24
    • Son John 1:1-3
    • Holy Spirit Job 33:4; 26:13

    4. Yet each is described as ETERNAL:
    • Father Psalms 93:2
    • Son Micah 5:2, Heb 1:8
    • Holy Spirit Heb. 9:14

    5. Yet each is described as INSPIRED:
    • Father II Tim. 3:16
    • Son I Peter 1:10-11
    • Holy Spirit II Peter 1:21
    6. Yet each is described as OMINIPRESENT:
    • Father Jer. 23:24
    • Son Matt. 28:20
    • Holy Spirit Psalms 139:7-10

    7. Yet each is described as OMNISCIENT:
    • Father Jer. 17:10
    • Son John 2:24
    • Holy Spirit I Cor. 2:10-12

    8. Yet each is described as OMNIPOTENT:
    • Father Matt. 19:26
    • Son Heb.1:3
    • Holy Spirit Rom. 15:19

    9. Yet each is described as HOLY:
    • Father Habak. 1:12
    • Son Acts 3:14
    • Holy Spirit John 14:26

    10. Yet each is described as RESURRECTED:
    • Father I Thess. 1:10
    • Son John 2:19-21
    • Holy Spirit Rom. 8:11

    11. Yet each is described as TRUTH:
    • Father I Thess. 1:9
    • Son John 14:6
    • Holy Spirit John 14:17
    12. Yet each is described as SANCTIFIYING the Believer:
    • Father John 10:29
    • Son Heb. 2:11
    • Holy Spirit 1 Cor. 6:11

    13. Yet each is described as PRESERVING the Believer to salvation:
    • Father John 10:29
    • Son John 10:28
    • Holy Spirit Eph. 4:30

    14. Yet each is described as being an INDWELLING PRESENCE:
    • Father Eph. 4:6, II Cor. 6:16
    • Son Col. 1:27; John 14:20
    • Holy Spirit I Cor 6:19; John 14:17

    15. Yet each is described as LEADING believers:
    • Father Deut. 32:12
    • Son I Cor. 10:1-4
    • Holy Spirit Isaiah 63:11-14

    16. Yet each DRAWS people to themselves:
    • Father John 6:44
    • Son I Cor. 12:3
    • Holy Spirit John 12:32

    God is one, and apart from Him there is no God. He exists simultaneously and eternally as three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father is the author and initiator of love. Jesus Christ, the Son, is God in bodily form, a tangible expression of all the Father is, and the only way to eternal fellowship with the Father. The Holy Spirit imparts truth, convicts of sin, and turns individuals to Christ. As a person repents of sin and submits to Christ, the Spirit irrevocably indwells that person and places him or her into Christ’s Body, the Church.

    Many non-Christian Organizations teach that the relationship between the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit should somehow be understood by man. Since the Trinity cannot be understood by man, then it cannot explain the relationship within the Godhead. Of course, this is the point exactly: God’s nature is past finding out, His ways are unsearchable; etc. The nature of God is beyond full comprehension of man and that is why He is God! (See Rom. 11:33-36)

    For humans to be able to understand everything about God, they would have to have the very mind of God. There are several verses in the Bible that show human beings cannot possibly understand everything about God or His ways. For example:

    “Can you fathom the mysteries of God? Can you probe the limits of the Almighty? They are higher than the
    heavens – what can you do? They are deeper than the depths of the grave – what can you know? Their
    measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea.” (Job 11:7-9)

    “ ‘For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways.’ Declares the Lord. ‘As the heavens
    are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.’ “
    (Isaiah 55:8,9)

    Such verses make it clear that human reasoning has limitations. Finite minds cannot possibly understand all there is to know about an infinite being. Creatures cannot know everything there is to know about the sovereign Creator. Just as a young child cannot understand everything his father says, so also we as God’s children cannot understand all there is to know about our heavenly Father.

    • Did you know that discoveries in particle physics require that God exists in more than 10-Dimensions of space and
    time? (Yet we can experience and visualize only three)

    • Do you realize that the Bible clearly indicates that God is simultaneously singular and plural? (This is definitely possible in extra dimensions of space and time)

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    1. The many points raised in this comment are discussed in many or the articles which can be found on this and several of our other sites.

      The Bible does not say clearly that Jesus is God, just the opposite God clearly says Jesus is His son and Jesus clearly indicates he cannot do anything without his heavenly Father the One and Only True God.

      Where do you get it from that “Do you realize that the Bible clearly indicates that God is simultaneously singular and plural? (This is definitely possible in extra dimensions of space and time)”?

      You start of with saying there is only one true church. Which is one according to you? The Roman Catholic Church? Why?

      Then you seem to misunderstand certain Biblical sayings:

      What the Bible says about the Deity Of Jesus (and why you shout we may wonder):
      1. FACT: The Bible reveals that Jesus is called God…
      • The Word was God John 1:1 > the word was a god not The God and the Word is a speaking not a person but the uttering of a voice. See further reply underneath and in several of our articles about this subject
      • Thomas said: “My Lord and My God” John 20:28: here you seem to miss that little word “and”
      • God the Father calls Jesus God Heb. 1:8 > In the many versions we do have available it does not say that but it teels us: “but of the Son [he saith], {1} {2} Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of {3} thy kingdom. {1) Ps 45:6 f 2) Or [Thy throne is God for etc] 3) The two oldest Greek manuscripts read [his]}” (Hebrews 1:8 ASV)

      • I AM – God’s name in the Old Testament Exodus 3:14: This verse says: “And God said unto Moses, {1} I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, {2} I AM hath sent me unto you. {1) Or [I AM, BECAUSE I AM]; Or [I AM WHO AM]; Or [I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE] 2) Heb [Ehyeh]; From the same root as [Jehovah]}” (Exodus 3:14 ASV)

      God’s Name is Jehovah which can be translated in English “I Am Who I Am” or “I Am Who is” We never doubted that but no were in the Bible is said Jesus is the God of gods the Elohim Hashem Jehovah.
      • I AM – Before Abraham I AM John 8:58 Here Jesus does not say he is the “I Am Who I am”. At several occasions that Jesus answers people who demand if he is such or such person than Jesus replies like you and we would do with “I am” but that does not make us to be the “I Am Who I am” i.e. to be God. but like any person.
      Jesus in this passage refers to him having been already in the book of life before Abraham was born; Remember you and we are also already in the book of life or the book of death from before Abraham was born.

      1. Christ’s reference to Abraham is to affirm his (Christ’s) pre-eminence, not pre-existence. The Jews had claimed that Abraham was their father (#Joh 8:39) and so Christ establishes his pre-eminence in the divine purpose by stating that before Abraham was, “I am.” He did not say “before Abraham was, I was” as it is frequently misread. But the Jews, like modern-day trinitarians, misunderstood Jesus. He was not claiming to be literally older in years than Abraham. This is indicated by his prior remark: “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.” (#Joh 8:56). Abraham, to whom the gospel was preached (#Ga 3:8), “saw” the day of Christ through the eye of faith. Christ was “foreordained before the foundation of the world, but manifest in these last times.” (#1Pe 1:20). He was foreordained in the divine purpose, but not formed. Similarly in the divine purpose he was the “Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (#Re 13:8) but literally he was not slain until his crucifixion in the time of Pilate.

      2. There is no proof that Christ alludes to the divine name (imperfectly rendered by the A.V., “I am that I am”). Jesus simply uses the present tense of the verb “to be.” Even if this verse were intended to be read as an allusion to the divine name, this is not proof that Christ was claiming to be “Very God.” The divine name declared “I will be what I will be.” (#Ex 3:14) (R.S.V. mg.). The name was a prophetic declaration of the divine purpose. Jesus Christ was “God manifest in the flesh” (#1Ti 3:16), “the word” (Greek: logos) “made flesh.” (#Joh 1:14). As such, he was the expression of the divine character, “full of grace and truth” (#Joh 1:14) (cf. #Ex 33:19). and became the “firstborn among many brethren.” (#Ro 8:29). Christ was the result of the word made flesh, not the originator of the dvine plan. As he himself said, “I proceeded forth and came from God neither came I of myself, but he sent me.” (#Joh 8:42).

      Jesus was also already promised in the Garden of Eden. There God spoke and offered a solution against the fall of man. By the birth of Jesus that promise, that wordd of God came into fulfilment and as such the Word became flesh.

      Yah Chanan writes: John 1:1-3: In the beginning the Word having been and the Word having been unto God and God having been the Word he having been, in the beginning, unto God all through his hand became: and without him not even one being whatever became.

      or: “In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word.” (Emphatic Diaglott – interlineary side)

      1. Christ was not literally the Word. He was the word “made flesh”. (#Jo 1:14). The Greek word “logos” translated “Word” expresses the divine intention, mind, or purpose.1 Young defines “logos” as “a word, speech, matter, reason.”2 In the a.v. “logos” is translated by more than 20 different English words and is used for utterances of men (e.g., #Jo 17:20) as well as those of God (#Jo 5:38).

      2. “In the beginning was the Word  …  all things were made by him.”3 “logos” does not in itself denote personality. It is personified by the masculine gender in the a.v., The Diaglott avoids confusion by translating the pronouns in the neuter-“through it every thing was done.”4 An Old Testament parallel to the personification of logos is the personification of wisdom: “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.” (#Pr 8:22, 23). In this passage, wisdom is personified as a woman. (#Pr 8:1, 2).

      3. “All things were made by him”-John is apparently alluding to the creation recorded in Genesis. God spoke, and it was done (e.g. “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.” (#Ge 1:3). Notice another allusion- #Jo 1:7, 8). But this creation was not accompanied by Christ, but by the “logos” of God. This is indicated by several passages:

      a. “By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.” “For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.” (#Ps 33:6, 9). See also #Ps 107:20; 147:15, 18, 19; Isa. 55:11).

      b. ”  …  by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water  …  But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” (#2Pe 3:5, 7).

      c. See also (#Heb 11:3) cf. (#Jer 10:12, 13).5

      4.Angels, prophets and Christ have been vehicles by which God has expressed his logos. Christ is the complete manifestation of the logos-“in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” (#Col 2:9). It was the “logos” which was in the beginning with God, not Christ. When the “word was made flesh” (#Jo 1:14) then, and then only, Christ became the “Word”. Christ is called the Word (#Re 19:13) cf. (#1Jo 1:1; Lu 1:2) since his doctrine and words came from his Father (#Jo 7:16; 17:14). He was the logos lived out in speech and action, not merely written on scrolls.

      + Notes:

      1 This can be supported by evaluating all references to “logos” in the New Testament and the Septuagint.

      2 Robert Young, Analytical Concordance to the Holy Bible, (London: Lutterworth Press, 1965). a.v. Authorized King James Version of the Bible e.g. For example

      3 It is sometimes argued that the “beginning” referred to in John 1:1 is the beginning of Christ’s ministry. 1 John 1:1 is offered in support of this interpretation. It should be noted, however, that John’s allusions in John 1 are drawn from Genesis 1 as point 3 outlines, thereby implying that the beginning refers to the same narrative and not to the ministry of Christ.

      4 Benjamin Wilson, The Emphatic Diaglott, (Brooklyn: International Bible Students Ass., Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1942).

      5 It is also noteworthy that although the writer to the Hebrews speaks in exalted terms of Christ (e.g. “express image of his {God’s } person”-#Heb 1:3), “logos” is used of God’s message, and not of Christ himself. See (#Heb 2:2; 4:2,12; 7:28; 12:19) and (#Heb 13:7, 22).

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    2. We invite you to read also the latest placed article on April 14: https://christadelphians.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/the-son-can-do-nothing-of-his-own-accord/ were we point out to the fact that Jesus did not do his own will, which he would have done when he was or is God.

      We do hope you came to understand the use of the Pluralis Majestatis and came to see that God is a singular Supreme Being but not a man of flesh and blood but an eternal Spirit and as such having no beginning and no end.

      What do you mean with “Did you know that discoveries in particle physics require that God exists in more than 10-Dimensions of space and
      time? (Yet we can experience and visualize only three)”? What are those 10 dimensions you are talking off and where are they described in the Bible?

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  7. What the Bible says about Jesus

    Revelation 1:7-8 says: Jesus is the Almighty
    Genesis 17:1 says: The Almighty is God

    John 18:51 says: Jesus is the I Am
    Exodus 3:14 says: The I Am is God

    Acts 3:14 says: Jesus is the Holy One
    Isaiah 43:15 says: The Holy One is God

    John 8:24 says: Jesus is I Am He
    Isaiah 43:10 says: I Am He is God

    Revelation 22:13 says: Jesus is the First and the Last
    Isaiah 44:6 says: The First and the Last is God

    1 Corinthian 10:4 says: Jesus is the Rock
    Psalm 18:31 says: The Rock is God

    John 5:21 says: Jesus raises the dead
    1 Samuel 2:6 says: God is the One who raises the dead

    John 8:12 says: Jesus is the light
    Isaiah 60:19 says: God is light

    Matthew 25:31 says: Jesus is the Judge
    Joel 3:12 says: God is the Judge

    Colossians 1:16 says: Jesus is the creator of Angels
    Psalm 148:5 says: The Creator of Angels is God

    Hebrews 1:6 says: Angels worship Jesus
    Psalm 148:2 says: Angels worship God

    Matthew 23:8 says: Jesus is the One Master
    Malachi 1:6 says: The One Master is God

    Acts 4:12 says: Jesus is the One Savior
    Isaiah 45:21 says: The One Savior is God

    Luke 1:68 says: Jesus is the One Redeemer
    Isaiah 41:14 says: The One Redeemer is God

    Revelation 19:16 says: Jesus is the Lord of Lords
    Deuteronomy 10:17 says: The Lord of Lords is God

    Philippians 2:10 says: Every knee must bow to Jesus
    Isaiah 45:23 says: Every knee must bow to God

    John 1:3 says: Jesus is the One Creator
    Genesis 1:1 says: The One Creator is God

    John 1:49 says: Jesus is the King of Israel
    Isaiah 44:6 says: The King of Israel is God

    Philippians 2:9 says that God is highly exalted Him, and given Him, the name of Jesus, that every knee shall bow of those in heaven and those of earth, and those under the earth. Every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

    Act 4:12 says: Nor there is salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men, for we must be saved.

    Jesus Is Different – Jesus Claimed to Be God

    Many times Jesus either unequivocally asserted that he was God or made statements and performed actions that implied the same thing. His words and actions so infuriated the religious leaders of the day that they tried several times to kill him for “blasphemy” (claiming that he was God). Eventually they succeeded in putting him into the hands of the Roman government, which technically crucified him (though Pilate “washed his hands” of the act, which he opposed, see Matthew 27:24).

    If we look at Jesus’ actions and words, we can see four specific ways in which he indicated he was divine:

    1. Jesus indicated he could forgive sins. The Jews believed that only the single God of the universe could forgive sins. When Jesus made this claim, the religious leaders said he was blaspheming (Matthew 9:1-8)
    2. Jesus accepted worship. In the Law of Moses, God specifically commanded the Israelites to worship only him. Jesus demonstrated that he was in fact God by accepting the worship of, among others, his disciples (Luke 5:8; John 20:28).
    3. Jesus specifically said he was God. Jesus said “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). He also told the religious leaders, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58, “I am” was one of the names that God used of himself). The leaders clearly recognized what Jesus was saying and started to pick up stones to stone him for blasphemy.
    4. Jesus performed miracles only God could do. Jesus did the same miracles Isaiah had prophesied would be signs of God’s presence (Isaiah 35:4-6).
    Here are more examples of Jesus’ actions and claims:
    • He forgave the sins of a man who had been paralyzed since birth. The religious leaders recognized his action as either evidence that he was God (“only God can forgive sins”) or blasphemy. Jesus silenced them by healing the paralyzed man in front of them and other witnesses, a miracle that only God could performed (Matthew 9:1-8).
    • Jesus called himself the “capstone” (the highest and most critical part of a building) that was rejected by the “builders”, in this case the religious leaders. Again they tried to find a way to arrest him (Matthew 21:42-46).
    • At his final trial, when Jesus was asked whether he was the “Christ, the Son of God,” he replied that he was. At this point the high priest tore his own clothes, a sign of great distress over, among other things, blasphemy, and the religious leaders emphatically demanded that Jesus die for his “blasphemy” (Mathew 26:63-66).

    Jesus Proved He Was God

    How can anyone prove he is God? Based on God’s words in the Bible, there is literally only one way that Jesus or anyone else can proved he is God:

    1. Demonstrate first that he is a prophet of God by proclaiming perfectly fulfilled prophecy. Only God can predict the future (Isaiah 46:10). The Bible tell us to “test everything” (1 Thessalonians 5:21) and specifically tells us to use prophecy as the test to confirm that something is from God (Deuteronomy 18:14-22).
    2. Then prophesy that he is God, and that he will prove it by performing miracles only God can perform. In addition to maintaining that he was God, Jesus told both his disciples and the Jewish religious leaders that he would be resurrected from the dead, which would be a confirmation of all his words and prophecies.
    3. Finally, fulfill the prophecy and perform the miracle that he predicted. Jesus fulfilled his prophecy of the miracle of the resurrection. Its fulfillment verified his claim to be God and confirmed his triumph over death.

    In addition to fulfilling his own prophecies, Jesus fulfilled more than 100 Old Testament Mesianic prophecies, giving further evidence that he is God.

    The Miracle of the Resurrection

    Jesus precisely prophesied his own miraculous resurrection from the dead. Despite making this remarkable prophecy many times, along with others, he did not make any errors in any predictions. Furthermore, he professed to be God. And God tells us to use prophecy as a test to know whether something is from him. Therefore, the prophecies Jesus made, along with their fulfillment by the events of his death and resurrection, verify his claim to be God.

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    1. Dear Jess Diff,

      Thank you very much for taking so much time to bring some quotes to consider or to look at.
      Of many we could go deeper than underneath. Some are worthy for a whole article, but we do hope we can give with the underneath note already a sufficient reply to your remarks.
      Because our answer was a comment longer than the maximum allowed size we had to split it in several replies.

      What the Bible says about Jesus

      Revelation 1:7-8 does not say at all that Jesus is the Almighty. It is God Who is speaking and Who speaks about Himself and not about His son being the Almighty which is confirmed in other Bible passages.

      Rev 1:7-8 The Scriptures 1998+ (7) See, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye shall see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth shall mourn because of Him. Yes, Amĕn. (8) “I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, Beginning and End,” says יהוה {Jehovah} “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

      Genesis 17:1 says: And it came to be when Aḇram was ninety-nine years old, that יהוה appeared to Aḇram and said to him, “I am Ěl Shaddai – walk before Me and be perfect.

      What would you answer if we asked you “Are you Jess Diff?”? ……..
      When Jesus, like any person answers another person, if he is so and so, than he answers like any of us would do with ‘I am’. Such an answer does not make us to be The God nor a god.

      In none of the bible translations we do have can we find a verse John 18:51 which would say: “Jesus is the I Am” but we can find many verses which indicate Jesus is not “The I am Who Is”

      Joh 18:4-9 The Scriptures 1998+ (4) יהושע {Jeshua = Jesus Christ the Messiah},then, knowing all that would come upon Him, went forward and said to them, “Whom do you seek?” (5) They answered Him, “יהושע {Jeshua} of Natsareth.” יהושע {Jeshua} said to them, “I am.” And Yehuḏah, who delivered Him up, was also standing with them. (6) When, therefore, He said to them, “I am,” they drew back and fell to the ground. (7) Once more He asked them, “Whom do you seek?” And they said, “יהושע of Natsareth.” (8) יהושע answered, “I said to you that I am. If, then, you seek Me, allow these to go,” (9) in order that the word might be filled which He spoke, “Of those whom You have given Me, I have lost none.”

      Deu 10:17 The Scriptures 1998+ (17) “For יהוה your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.

      In the Books of Moses we do find the Elohim Hashem Jehovah speaking and declaring He is the Only One God {the God above all other gods}:

      Exo 3:6 The Scriptures 1998+ (6) And He said, “I am the Elohim of your father, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaʽaqoḇ.” And Mosheh hid his face, for he was afraid to look at Elohim.

      Exo 3:13-15 The Scriptures 1998+ (13) And Mosheh said to Elohim, “See, when I come to the children of Yisra’ĕl and say to them, ‘The Elohim of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His Name?’ what shall I say to them?” (14) And Elohim said to Mosheh, “I am that which I am.”1 And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Yisra’ĕl, ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ” Footnote: 1The Heḇrew text reads: ’eyeh ’asher ’eyeh, the word ’eyeh being derived from hayah which means to be, to exist, but the Aramaic text here in v. 14 reads: ayah ashar ayah. This is not His Name, but it is an explanation that leads up to the revelation of His Name in v. 15, namely: יהוה. (15) And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ĕl, ‘יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaʽaqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.’

      You seem to mix two different Bible characters and trying to proof the one is the other by using the sayings of God to be considered the sayings of the son of God, but it is not this son of God who is talking about him (Jesus) but The God Divine Creator talking about Himself Jehovah. Your mixing those characters comes perhaps you are using only one Bible translation which has left out the tetragram (God’s Name) and only gives everywhere the word “Lord” with one capital for both in the same font, making it ‘nearly” impossible to know about which lord is been spoken, the Lord god, the lord Christ, the lord from one or another earthly place or any other human being with a position.

      Exo 20:1-7 The Scriptures 1998+ (1) And Elohim spoke all these Words, saying, (2) “I am יהוה your Elohim, who brought you out of the land of Mitsrayim, out of the house of slavery. (3) “You have no other mighty ones against My face. (4) “You do not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of that which is in the heavens above, or which is in the earth beneath, or which is in the waters under the earth, (5) you do not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, יהוה your Elohim am a jealous Ěl, visiting the crookedness of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, (6) but showing kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and guard My commands. (7) “You do not bring1 the Name of יהוה your Elohim to naught, for יהוה does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught. Footnote: 1Or lift up, or take.

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    2. Rep.2:

      Again you seem to be troubled not to see who is talking about whom in Acts 3:14 says which also not say that “ Jesus is the Holy One”

      Act 3:13-26 The Scriptures 1998+ (13) “The Elohim of Aḇraham, and of Yitsḥaq, and of Yaʽaqoḇ, the Elohim of our fathers, esteemed His Servant יהושע, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. (14) “But you denied the Set-apart and Righteous One, and asked that a man, a murderer, be granted you. (15) “But you killed the Leader1 of life, whom Elohim raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses. Footnote: 1 Or Prince. (16) “And by the belief in His Name, this one whom you see and know, His Name made strong, and the belief which comes through Him has given him this perfect healing before all of you. (17) “And now, brothers, I know that you did it in ignorance, as your rulers did too. (18) “But this is how Elohim has filled what He had announced beforehand through the mouth of all the prophets, that His Messiah was to suffer. (19) “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, (20) and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, (21) whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which Elohim spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. (22) “For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Elohim shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. (23) ‘And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet1 shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ Footnote: 1Deut. 18:18-20. (24) “And likewise, all the prophets who have spoken, from Shemu’ĕl and those following, have also announced these days. (25) “You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which Elohim made with our fathers, saying to Aḇraham, ‘And in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed.’ (26) “To you first, Elohim, having raised up His Servant יהושע, sent Him to bless you, in turning away each one of you from your wicked ways.”1 Footnote: 1See 2:38.

      “The Holy One is God” from Isaiah 43:15 talks about Himself as the Almighty Who has sent His servant to the world. This servant of God, not God Himself, is the Messiah, Christ Jesus.

      It is the Elohim Who raised up for mankind a Prophet, the master teacher Jesus.

      Mat 12:15-21 The Scriptures 1998+ (15) But יהושע, knowing it, withdrew from there. And large crowds followed Him, and He healed them all, (16) and warned them not to make Him known, (17) in order that what was spoken by Yeshayahu the prophet, might be filled, saying, (18) “See, My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My being did delight. I shall put My Spirit upon Him, and He shall declare right-ruling to the nations. (19) “He shall not strive nor cry out, nor shall anyone hear His voice in the streets. (20) “A crushed reed He shall not break, and smoking flax He shall not quench, till He brings forth right-ruling forever.1 Footnote: 1This is according to the Shem-Tob Hebrew text. However, this passage is a quote from Isa. 42:1-3 where it reads right-ruling unto truth. (21) “And the nations shall trust in His Name.”
      This servant was placed in a special manner in the womb of a young girl (Miriam/Mary/Maria) to be called by god, at his baptism by his cousin in the river Jordan: “son of God” by the Spirit Who is not a man, not having flesh and bones and does not tell lies.

      Gal 4:3-7 The Scriptures 1998+ (3) So we also, when we were children, were under the elementary matters of the world, being enslaved. (4) But when the completion of the time came, Elohim sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under Torah, (5) to redeem those who were under Torah, in order to receive the adoption as sons. (6) And because you are sons, Elohim has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!” (7) So you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, also an heir of Elohim through Messiah.

      Luk 1:26-38 The Scriptures 1998+ (26) And in the sixth month the messenger Gaḇri’ĕl was sent by Elohim to a city of Galil named Natsareth, (27) to a maiden engaged to a man whose name was Yosĕph, of the house of Dawiḏ. And the maiden’s name was Miryam. (28) And the messenger, coming to her, said, “Greetings, favoured one, the Master is with you. Blessed are you among women!” (29) But she was greatly disturbed at his word, and wondered what kind of greeting this was. (30) And the messenger said to her, “Do not be afraid, Miryam, for you have found favour with Elohim. (31) “And see, you shall conceive in your womb, and shall give birth to a Son, and call His Name יהושע {Jeshua}.1 Footnote: 1Mt. 1:21. (32) “He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High. And יהוה {Jehovah} Elohim shall give Him the throne of His father Dawiḏ. (33) “And He shall reign over the house of Yaʽaqoḇ forever, and there shall be no end to His reign.”1 Footnote: 1Verses 32 and 33 confirm the prophecies Ps. 2, Ps. 89:14-34, Isa. 9:7, Isa. 16:5, Jer. 23:3-6, Jer. 30:9, Ezek. 37:24, Dan. 2:44, Dan. 7:18-27, Mic. 5:2-4, Acts 1:6-7, Rev. 11:15. (34) And Miryam said to the messenger, “How shall this be, since I do not know a man?” (35) And the messenger answering, said to her, “The Set-apart Spirit shall come upon you, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow you. And for that reason the Set-apart One born of you shall be called: Son of Elohim. (36) “And see, Elisheḇa your relative, she has also conceived a son in her old age. And this is now the sixth month to her who was called barren, (37) because with Elohim no matter shall be impossible.” (38) And Miryam said, “See the female servant of יהוה {Jehovah}! Let it be to me according to your word.” And the messenger went away from her.

      Luk 3:21-23 The Scriptures 1998+ (21) And it came to be, when all the people were immersed, יהושע {Jeshua} also being immersed, and praying, the heaven was opened, (22) and the Set-apart Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven saying, “You are My Son, the Beloved, in You I did delight.” (23) And when יהושע Himself began, He was about thirty years of age, being, as reckoned by law, son of Yosĕph, of Ěli,

      Num 23:19 The Scriptures 1998+ (19) “Ěl is not a man, to lie; nor a son of man, to repent! Has He said, and would He not do it; or spoken, and would not confirm it?

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      Opposite to God who knows everything and can do everything, Jesus even did not know when he would return or who would be seated next to him, and knew very well he could not do anything without God, Who is greater than him.

      Gen 17:1 The Scriptures 1998+ (1) And it came to be when Aḇram was ninety-nine years old, that יהוה appeared to Aḇram and said to him, “I am Ěl Shaddai – walk before Me and be perfect1. Footnote: 1Messiah gives the same command in Mt. 5:48. (El Shaddai = the Almighty God)

      Joh 5:17-27 The Scriptures 1998+ (17) But יהושע answered them, “My Father works until now, and I work.” (18) Because of this, then, the Yehuḏim were seeking all the more to kill Him, ‘because not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He also called Elohim His own Father, making Himself equal with Elohim.’ (19) Therefore יהושע responded and said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son is able to do none at all by Himself, but only that which He sees the Father doing, because whatever He does, the Son also likewise does. (20) “For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all that He Himself does. And greater works than these He is going to show Him, in order that you marvel. (21) “For as the Father raises the dead and makes alive, even so the Son makes alive whom He wishes. (22) “For the Father judges no one, but has given all the judgment to the Son, (23) that all should value the Son even as they value the Father. He who does not value the Son does not value the Father who sent Him. (24) “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me possesses everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. (25) “Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of Elohim. And those having heard shall live. (26) “For as the Father possesses life in Himself, so He gave also to the Son to possess life in Himself, (27) and He has given Him authority also to do judgment, because He is the Son of Aḏam.

      Joh 14:27-31 The Scriptures 1998+ (27) “Peace I leave with you – My peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. (28) “You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming to you.’ If you did love Me, you would have rejoiced that I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I. (29) “And now I have told you before it takes place, that when it does take place, you shall believe. (30) “I shall no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming,1 and he possesses none at all in Me, Footnote: 1See Lk. 4:6. (31) but, in order for the world to know that I love the Father, and that as the Father commanded Me, so I am doing. Rise up, let us go from here.

      1Co 11:3 The Scriptures 1998+ (3) And I wish you to know that the head of every man is the Messiah, and the head of woman is the man, and the head of Messiah is Elohim.
      Joh 20:16-17 The Scriptures 1998+ (16) יהושע said to her, “Miryam!” She turned and said to Him, “Rabboni!” (which means Teacher). (17) יהושע said to her, “Do not hold on to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My Elohim and your Elohim.’ ”
      Jesus was sent by God and wanted only to do God His Will. In case Jesus is God he naturally would always have done his own will.

      Luk 22:41-44 The Scriptures 1998+ (41) And He withdrew from them about a stone’s throw, and falling on His knees He was praying, (42) saying, “Father, if it be Your counsel, remove this cup from Me. Yet not My desire, but let Yours be done.” (43) And there appeared a messenger from heaven to Him, strengthening Him. (44) And being in agony, He was praying more earnestly. And His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
      From Scriptures we also know, neither death nor man can do anything to God, so why would Jesus, in case he is God, be afraid and how can he sweat blood when a spirit has no flesh, bones or blood? God also can not die, so Jesus would only have to fake his death and ad not to worry what would happen after his faking his death because God is everywhere alive. Though Jesus not being a spirit God but a real man of flesh and blood had all the reason to be fearful and had to trust all the promises God had made in the past to the prophets. He had to belief the Word of God which is not his word. What also would be the use of God faking His death and resurrection? What would He proof to the adversary (Satan)?

      Luk 24:33-51 The Scriptures 1998+ (33) And rising up that same hour they returned to Yerushalayim, and found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, (34) saying, “The Master was truly raised, and has appeared to Shimʽon!” (35) And they related what took place on the way, and how He was recognised by them in the breaking of the bread. (36) And as they were saying this, יהושע Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” (37) And being startled and frightened, they thought they had seen a spirit. (38) And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? (39) “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” (40) And saying this, He showed them His hands and His feet. (41) And while they were still not believing for joy, and marvelling, He said to them, “Have you any food here?” (42) And they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. (43) And taking it He ate in their presence. (44) And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be filled that were written in the Torah of Mosheh and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” (45) Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, (46) and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day, (47) and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His Name to all nations, beginning at Yerushalayim. (48) “And you are witnesses of these matters. (49) “And see, I am sending the Promise of My Father upon you, but you are to remain in the city of Yerushalayim until you are clothed with power from on high.” (50) And He led them out as far as Bĕyth Anyah, and lifting up His hands He blessed them. (51) And it came to be, while He was blessing them, that He was parted from them and was taken up into the heaven.
      When you look at John 8:24 were Jesus says “I Am He” you seem to forget why he says he is him and also seem to overlook that when you would answer somebody about the one spoken off to be you that you would give the same answer; In your way of thinking meaning that you say in such case that you are God!?!

      Jesus is talking about his position and about the sent one from god. This clearly should give you to understand that Jesus is that sent one and the one spoken off at several instances in the old scrolls. It should have to make you to see that he was the one spoken of in the Garden of Eden, long before Abraham was born.

      Joh 8:12-32 The Scriptures 1998+ (12) Therefore יהושע spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall by no means walk in darkness, but possess the light of life.”1 Footnote: 1 See 11:9-10. (13) The Pharisees, therefore, said to Him, “You bear witness about Yourself, Your witness is not true.” (14) יהושע answered and said to them, “Even if I witness concerning Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you do not know from where I come, or where I go. (15) “You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. (16) “But even if I do judge, My judgment is true, because I am not alone in it, but I and the Father who sent Me. (17) “And in your Torah also, it has been written that the witness of two men is true. (18) “I am One who witnesses concerning Myself, and the Father who sent Me witnesses concerning Me.” (19) Therefore they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?” יהושע answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you knew Me, you would have known My Father also.” (20) These words יהושע spoke in the treasury, teaching in the Set-apart Place. And no one laid hands on Him, because His hour had not yet come. (21) Therefore יהושע said to them again, “I am going away, and you shall seek Me, and you shall die in your sin. Where I go you are unable to come.” (22) Then the Yehuḏim said, “Shall He kill Himself, because He says, ‘Where I go you are unable to come’?” (23) And He said to them, “You are from below, I am from above. You are of this world, I am not of this world. (24) “Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.” (25) Then they said to Him, “Who are You?” And יהושע said to them, “Altogether that which I even say to you! (26) “I have much to say and to judge concerning you. But He who sent Me is true, and what I heard from Him, these Words I speak to the world.” (27) They did not know that He spoke to them of the Father. (28) So יהושע said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Aḏam, then you shall know that I am He, and that I do none at all of Myself, but as My Father taught Me, these words I speak. (29) “And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do what pleases Him.” (30) As He was speaking these words, many believed in Him. (31) So יהושע said to those Yehuḏim who believed Him, “If you stay in My Word, you are truly My taught ones, (32) and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

      In Isaiah 43:10 the One Speaking is the Elohim Hashem God:

      Isa 43:10 The Scriptures 1998+ (10) “You are My witnesses,” declares יהוה, “And My servant whom I have chosen, so that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no Ěl formed, nor after Me there is none.

      When we do ask you “are you the one about one says so and so?” and you are that one spoken of would you not say “I am he”? In our country and the languages spoken here it is the normal reply the questioner would expect. In your way of thinking this would mean that person is The God.
      The same for all the firefighters who saved people, partners who are rocks or lights for the others, in your way of thinking all those who are strength for the other, helpers, breastplates, givers of insight, teachers, builders, would be God, because we would have the same way of thinking as you do for John 8:12, Matthew 25:31, or 1

      Corinthians 10:4 would say according to you: “Jesus is the Rock” though it says:

      1Co 10:4 The Scriptures 1998+ (4) and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed, and the Rock was Messiah.
      Though that passage is not talking about Jesus the Messiah but about Jehovah the Messiah or Saviour, the One who brought solace. Would, when somebody brings you solace, enlightenment, tranquility, peace, salvation or any help, that person be God?
      We must confess we in our lives may find many rocks or people on who we can trust and build upon, but they are nothing compared to the Most High God, like is written in the

      Psalm 18:31 which questions who can be such a rock as God, something totally different than what you say it says “The Rock is God”:

      Psa 18:31 The Scriptures 1998+ (31) For who is Eloah, besides יהוה? And who is a rock, except our Elohim?
      Concerning a person who saves somebody else it is the same. But mankind has to know there different ways of saving or helping some one. We all should look at Jesus as the way to life and by him is the real salvation because he died for our sins and God accepted Jesus his ransom offer. God has given no other name to humanity for the salvation we need.

      Act 4:12 The Scriptures 1998+ (12) “And there is no deliverance in anyone else, for there is no other Name under the heaven given among men by which we need to be saved.”

      But we do have to know all belongs to God and in the end it is Him Who decides over life and death.

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      The whole world should come to know Who is the Great Saviour above all; the Mighty El. In the book of Isaiah is looked at that God Who at that moment hid Himself. And at that time the people were put to shame, confounded, all of them going into confusion together that are makers of idols. But there was again a promise for Israel (God’s people) that was going to be be saved by Jehovah with an everlasting salvation. The Bible tells us that Israel shall not be put to shame nor confounded.

      There it was that once more God reminds them that it was Him Jehovah (not Jesus) that created the heavens, the God that formed the earth and made it, that established it and created it not a waste, that formed it to be inhabited. Yes we should know it like the whole universe has to know it that it is Him the Elohim Hashem Jehovah who Is the Being and gives and takes the being, giving and taking life, and there is none else.

      Let us really take those words at heart that there is no God else besides the Elohim Hashem Jehovah, a just God and a Saviour. Notice in the Bible that there is written ‘a’ Saviour’ not ‘The’ nor ‘the Only One Saviour’. But that is stated that there is “none besides” Him.
      On earth we may be saved on many occasions byu many persons; We also may become partakers of the Body of Christ, believeing we are saved by Jesus Christ. Jeshua is the man of Nazareth who we may consider as the best saviour on earth, but that does not make him into the God. We have to look at the heavenly Father of the son of God and find the Only One True God. At Him we have to look and be we saved, all the ends of the earth; for He Is God, and there is none else.
      Only in Jehovah God, it is said of Him, is full righteousness and strength; even to Him shall men come; and all they that were incensed against Him shall be put to shame. In Jehovah shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. That is what your verse mentioned is all about. Not that Jesus would be God. But just the opposit, that there is only One God, being the Most High, Whose Name is “ יהוה “ which in spoken language would sound as ‘Jai-Ho-Wha’ or Jehovah.

      Isa 45:15-25 The Scriptures 1998+ (15) Truly You are Ěl, who hide Yourself, O Elohim of Yisra’ĕl, Saviour! (16) They shall be put to shame, and even be humiliated, all of them – the makers of idols shall go away together in humiliation. (17) Yisra’ĕl shall be saved by יהוה with an everlasting deliverance. You are not to be ashamed nor hurt, forever and ever. (18) For thus said יהוה, Creator of the heavens, He is Elohim, Former of earth and its Maker, He established it, He did not create it to be empty, He formed it to be inhabited: “I am יהוה, and there is none else. (19) “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth. I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain.’ I am יהוה, speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight. (20) “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does not save. (21) “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me. (22) “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Ěl, and there is none else. (23) “I have sworn by Myself, a word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, so that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue swear. (24) “One shall say, ‘Only in יהוה do I have righteousness and strength’ – he comes to Him. And all those displeased with Him shall be put to shame. (25) “In יהוה all the seed of Yisra’ĕl shall be declared right and boast. ”

      Jesus clearly knows he cannot do anything without God. When we are told he may pardon sins, judge and even raise the dead, we do have to remember others also forgive sins and that there have been prophets before Jesus who also brought back people to life; Do you consider them than also to be the God. It were not they who did that, like it is not Jesus who brings the people from the dead back to the living. God is the one Who does that; But He has given His son authority to handle in His place and to be a mediator between God and man.

      Mat 28:18 The Scriptures 1998+ (18) And יהושע came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

      Mat 11:25-27 The Scriptures 1998+ (25) At that time יהושע responding, said, “I thank You, Father, Master of the heavens and earth, because You have hidden these matters from clever and learned ones and have revealed them to babes.1 Footnote: 1Lk. 10:21. (26) “Yea, Father, because so it was well-pleasing in Your sight. (27) “All have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and he to whom the Son wishes to reveal Him.

      Joh 1:18 The Scriptures 1998+ (18) No one has ever seen Elohim. The only brought-forth Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He did declare.

      Joh 3:31-36 The Scriptures 1998+ (31) “He who comes from above is over all, he who is from the earth is of the earth and speaks of the earth. He who comes from the heaven is over all. (32) “And what He has seen and heard, that He witnesses. And no one receives His witness. (33) “He who receives His witness has set his seal that Elohim is true. (34) “For He whom Elohim has sent speaks the Words of Elohim, for Elohim does not give the Spirit by measure. (35) “The Father loves the Son, and has given all into His hand. (36) “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Elohim remains on him.”

      Clearly this calls unto man to believe the words of the one sent by God, who is the son of God and not a god son, a word or phrasing you will find nowhere in the Scriptures.

      All the verses talking about Jesus and God clearly show that they are two different entities. And those Words given in the Scripture, we should consider the infallible Word of God, Who does not tell lies.

      You mention verse 21 of John 5:21 seeing that Jesus raises the dead, but do not seem to understand what is really written in that verse (that it is the Elohim Hashem Jehovah, the One God Who raises the dead and makes alive and not Jesus) and do not see the connection with previous and following verses. Please look at the context:
      Joh 5:19-32 The Scriptures 1998+ (19) Therefore יהושע {Jeshua} responded and said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son is able to do none at all by Himself, but only that which He sees the Father doing, because whatever He does, the Son also likewise does. (20) “For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all that He Himself does. And greater works than these He is going to show Him, in order that you marvel. (21) “For as the Father raises the dead and makes alive, even so the Son makes alive whom He wishes. (22) “For the Father judges no one, but has given all the judgment to the Son, (23) that all should value the Son even as they value the Father. He who does not value the Son does not value the Father who sent Him. (24) “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me possesses everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. (25) “Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of Elohim. And those having heard shall live. (26) “For as the Father possesses life in Himself, so He gave also to the Son to possess life in Himself, (27) and He has given Him authority also to do judgment, because He is the Son of Aḏam. (28) “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, (29) and shall come forth – those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practised evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. (30) “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me. (31) “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. (32) “There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true.

      Clearly Jesus indicates he can do nothing without God Who effectively “is the One who raises the dead” We never would discuss that and we also say that God raised Jesus from the dead which you do not seem to believe, because you consider Jesus himself being God and God cannot die and as such cannot be raised from the dead and had also no reason to stay three days in hell like Jesus did.

      You write “Colossians 1:16 says: Jesus is the creator of Angels” but in the translations we do have it is about indicating for by Jesus concerning the New Creation or New World, the apostle Paul is talking about, were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him, meaning that all has reason to be by Jesus who fulfilled the promise of the Creator God.

      Col 1:16 The Scriptures 1998+ (16) Because in Him were created all that are in the heavens and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or rulerships or principalities or authorities – all have been created through Him and for Him.

      It nearly looks like you seem to believe like J.W.’s who teach that “Jehovah” created his Son as his first creative act, and then subsequently performed all creative acts by His Son, but you thinking God created another Him next to Him to create other things, like we also can find in some heathen or pagan creation myths.

      1. The Messianic prophecy in Psalm 89:27 indicates that the J.W. assertion, that “Jehovah” created his Son as his first creative act, is unscriptural. “Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth” proves that Christ was not the first-born prior to the creation narrative in Gen. 1 and 2, but rather Christ was not to be made first-born until many years after the Psalmist penned his words. (The Messianic character of the Psalm is indicated by comparing the following: vs. 26 cf. 2 Sam. 7:14; Heb. 1:5 and Psa. 89:35–37 cf. Psa. 72:1–8).

      2. “The firstborn of all creation” is qualified in verse 18 to be “the firstborn from the dead”. Frequently an apparently absolute declaration is limited in application. Consider the following examples in which “all” is clearly to be understood in a restricted sense:
      a. “ … there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.” (Luke 2:1). The “all” refers to the Roman world, not the areas of South, Central and North America.
      b. “All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers … ” (John 10:8). The “all” does not refer to John the Baptist and other prophets.
      c. See also Gen. 3:20 (“all living” did not include the beasts); Gen. 6:13 (“all flesh” did not include Noah and the creatures taken into the ark.)

      3. The creation of which Christ is the first-born is the “creation” of new men and woman, and not the creation of light, dry land, etc. of Genesis. “Create” and “creation” are used of the work of Christ in this regenerative sense. Consider the following:
      a. “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” (Eph. 2:10 cf. 4:23, 24).
      b. “ … for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.” (Eph. 2:15).
      c. See also Col. 3:9, 10 RSV; Gal. 6:15; James 1:18; 2 Cor. 5:17.

      4. The inspired Apostle, employing the Old Testament background of the first-born, is ascribing to Christ his position, rank, and status in the divine purpose. The following is a summary of this background:
      a. The first-born succeeded his father as head. (2 Chron. 21:2, 3).
      b. He received a double portion of the inheritance. (Deut. 21:17).
      c. A younger son could be elevated to the position of first-born if there were personal unworthiness in the eldest. (1 Chron. 5:1).
      Adam lost this privilege because of his personal unworthiness, but the last Adam became perfect, through things which he suffered, and inherited the “double portion”. He became the “firstfruits of them that slept”—the “firstborn among many brethren”—“the head of the body, the church … that in all things he might have the preeminence.” (Col. 1:18; 1 Cor. 15:20; Rom. 8:29).

      5. “Who is the image of the invisible God.” This is an obvious allusion to Gen. 1:26, “Let us make man in our image”. Christ who was “full of grace and truth” demonstrated that he was the “image of the invisible God” by his faithfulness to death. In him both earthly and heavenly creatures are “created” because in him they have a new function in the divine purpose. The angels who “minister for those who shall be heirs of salvation” (Heb. 1:14) have been instructed to pay him homage—“let the angels of God worship him.” (Heb. 1:6).

      6. Colossians 1, rather than supporting the trinitarian doctrine, is opposed to it. Consider the following:
      a. If Christ is the “image of the invisible God” (Col. 1:15), then he is a replica, not the original.
      b. Christ is the “firstborn of every creature”. (Col. 1:15). “Firstborn” implies a beginning, therefore Christ is not the “Eternal” Son of God of the trinitarians.

      Verse 16 can also read: verse 16—“all things were created by him and for him”. The passage in question, therefore, can read: “Who delivered us from the dominion of darkness, and changed us for [not into] the kingdom of the Son of his love.” This reading is supported by a later reference, “ … These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God … “ (Col. 4:11). The companions of the Apostle were workers “unto”, not “in” the kingdom. (“Unto” is translated from the same Greek preposition “eis.”) This argument ought to be appreciated by the Church of Christ since their expositors in emphasizing the forgiveness of sins in baptism, stress that “eis” means “for” or “in order to” in Acts 2:38.

      You thinking that Hebrews 1:6 says: “Angels worship Jesus” may come form several translations which use in English such a word which may be very misleading.

      Heb 1:6 The Scriptures 1998+ (6) And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, “Let all the messengers of Elohim do reverence to Him.”

      It is not because persons or all God’s angels bow before Jesus or give him adoration, that he is the God. when you give reverence to your partner, does it mean that she or he is God?

      Looking at some other English translations you may find the word(s) is also translated as:
      ‘Let all the messengers of God bow low before him.’ (King James version 2001)
      let [4do obeisance toG4352 5himG1473 1allG3956 2angelsG32 3of God]!G2316 (ABP)
      AS translate is as: Thereupon again, as-when- He -shall bring-in the First-born into the inhabitance, He instructs, “Even be there all the angelic messengers of God, kissing-towards Him.”
      VW: And again, when He brings the Firstborn into the world, He says: Let all the angels of God do homage to Him.
      cpdv: And again, when he brings the only-begotten Son into the world, he says: And let all the Angels of God adore him.
      CGV: And when he again brings in the firstborn into the Empire he says, And let all the messengers of God bow down in deference to him.
      clVulgate Et cum iterum introducit primogenitum in orbem terræ, dicit: Et adorent eum omnes angeli Dei.
      In many other languages is used the idea of adoration and honouring and is it translated as such giving honour or adoration, respect. We too should give respect to the servant of God and honour him for what he has done, given his life for our sins.
      DRB says: And let all the angels of God adore him.
      GSNT : “And let all God’s angels bow before him.”
      JMNT translates: Now again, when He brought the Firstborn into the habitable world He is saying, “And so, let all God’s agents (or: people with the message) give homage to Him (or: worship and reverence Him; kiss toward and do obeisance to Him; = show respect and give honor to Him).” [Ps. 97:7b]
      Noyes NT + NSB: “And let all the angels of God pay him homage.”

      Paying homage or showing respect is something we can do to more than one person and is not the same as fully religiously worshipping some one.

      RNT “And let all the angels of God bow down to him.”
      TCNT: ‘Let all the angels of God bow down before him.’
      The Scriptures 1998+ (6) And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, “Let all the messengers of Elohim do reverence to Him.”
      UTV And again, when HE brings in the Firstborn into the earth, HE declares, And let all the angels of Elohim do homage to him.
      YLT and when again He may bring in the first-born to the world, He saith, ‘And let them bow before him—all messengers of God;’

      Bowing down or showing respect for the one master we should follow is something else than following our master at school, where we also can have one master, find some other rabbis, or to listen to the Most High One Master, the Elohim Hashem God.

      Mat 23:8 YLT ‘And ye—ye may not be called Rabbi, for one is your director—the Christ, and all ye are brethren;

      Here again you seem to miss out the context:

      Mat 23:1-11 The Scriptures 1998+ (1) Then יהושע spoke to the crowds and to His taught ones, (2) saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on the seat of Mosheh. (3) “Therefore, whatever they say to you to guard, guard and do. But do not do according to their works, for they say, and do not do. (4) “For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders, but with their finger they do not wish to move them. (5) “And they do all their works to be seen by men, and they make their t’fillen wide and lengthen the tzitziyot1 of their garments, Footnote:1Plural of Tzitzit – See Explanatory notes – “Tzitzit” and Num. 15:37-41, Dt. 22:12. (6) and they love the best place at feasts, and the best seats in the congregations, (7) and the greetings in the market-places, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ (8) “But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi,’ for One is your Teacher, the Messiah, and you are all brothers. (9) “And do not call anyone on earth your father, for One is your Father, He who is in the heavens. (10) “Neither be called leaders, for One is your Leader, the Messiah. (11) “But the greatest among you shall be your servant.
      It is all about the congregation of believers, the synagogue or the ecclesia, where all should take part in the education of each other.
      Also look at the other verses before and after the following:

      Mal 1:5-7 The Scriptures 1998+ (5) And your eyes shall see, and you shall say, ‘Great is יהוה {Jehovah} beyond the border of Yisra’ĕl!’ (6) “A son esteems his father, and a servant his master. And if I am the Father, where is My esteem? And if I am a Master, where is My fear? said יהוה of hosts to you priests who despise My Name. But you asked, ‘In what way have we despised Your Name?’ (7) “You are presenting defiled food on My altar. But you asked, ‘In what way have we defiled You?’ Because you say, ‘The table of יהוה is despicable.’

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      Malachi 1:6 does not say as you want to believe us that God is the only Master. The Master speaking there is the Father and the other master spoken of in the New Testament is in some places Jesus and in others Jehovah. Do not take one for the other.

      For the other comparisons we think the above given reply may go for them as well

      Luke 1:68 says: Jesus is the One Redeemer
      Isaiah 41:14 says: The One Redeemer is God
      Philippians 2:10 says: Every knee must bow to Jesus
      Isaiah 45:23 says: Every knee must bow to God

      For others like we shall need more space and time to explain further. They could be material for some new articles.

      Revelation 19:16 says: Jesus is the Lord of Lords
      Deuteronomy 10:17 says: The Lord of Lords is God
      John 1:49 says: Jesus is the King of Israel
      Isaiah 44:6 says: The King of Israel is God

      By others we have seen that there are more people could fall under the umbrella. As such Jesus is King of kings and has received the kingship over the Kingdom of God from his heavenly Father. But Jesus shall hand over the kingdom again to his Father Who, in the end always was, is and shall be the Owner and King of His Kingdom and over all the world even all universe (Master over the King of kings).

      Rightly you noticed that Philippians 2:9 says that God “highly exalted Him” (him = Jeshua), and given Him (him), the name of Jesus (Jeshua), that every knee shall bow of those in heaven and those of earth, and those under the earth. Every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. But you seem to think it says Jesus is God, which it does not say.

      Php 2:9-10 The Scriptures 1998+ (9) Elohim, therefore, has highly exalted Him and given Him the Name which is above every name, (10) that at the Name of יהושע every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,

      Act 4:12 says: Nor there is salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men, for we must be saved.

      “Jesus Is Different – Jesus Claimed to Be God” you write, but never Jesus claimed to be equal or to be God Himself. What do you mean with Jesus performing “actions that implied the same thing” (him being God)?

      You should note what “infuriated the religious leaders of the day that they tried several times to kill” Jesus. He was n annoying ‘stay in the way’ a bloc at their legs. They accused Jesus for “blasphemy” not because he was claiming that he was God. And even when some might have thought that Jesus would have claimed himself to be God, he did not. The world has had many more people who claimed to be the returned Jesus, do you sincerely think those would be that returned Jesus and because they say they are Jesus they are also God?

      Being divine is not the same as being the divine. Your partner may be divine but for sure we do hope you nor others, shall not think that divine person is God.

      You mention “Jesus indicated he could forgive sins” and did he not say that his disciples should do that too? Would those disciples and all those priest, preachers, bishops, popes church leaders, who at a baptism or confession say “your sins are forgiven” be God because they take the same action as Jesus to say that the other persons his or her sins are forgiven?

      You may think “The Jews believed that only the single God of the universe could forgive sins” but also in the Jewish communities we do find rabbis who say the sins of a believer or repentant are forgiven. So those rabbis according to such a teaching or thought would be God?! You wrongly, like the Pharisees take it that the person saying such a relieving words is saying that he does that forgiving, but Jesus never claimed to be the one who forgave sins. He clearly indicated it was not him doing those things, but his heavenly Father. And that was what bothered the Pharisees and some high priests more; Though there were also high priests who considered Jesus possibly a man form God like they had seen many other men of God in the past.

      You wrote “When Jesus made this claim, the religious leaders said he was blaspheming (Matthew 9:1-8)” but the verses you mention show that Jesus took note of the people their faith, and said to the paralyzed man, “Perk up, my boy. Your sins are being forgiven.” Then some of the churchmen said, “This bird is talking heresy!” Jesus knew what was going on in their minds and said and questioned them about their attitude, holding mean things in their hearts. Look also at the way Jesus confronts them with his action of having a man standing up who was paralysed for years and Jesus his saying ‘Your sins are being forgiven’. Is the saying of ‘Get up and walk’ not much more special and particular? You too seem to be blinded by the words for the forgiving of sins instead of looking at the wonder Jesus did. That you may have doubt that the son of man has the right on the earth to forgive sins is perhaps because you missed out the sayings of his heavenly Father in many other passages of the Bible. When we look at the time of Jesus many ordinary people saw what miracle Jesus did and a sense of awe came over the people who applauded not for Jesus but for God, for giving such authority to human beings.

      Mat 9:1-8 The Scriptures 1998+ (1) And entering into a boat, He passed over, and came to His own city. (2) And see, they were bringing to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. And יהושע, seeing their belief, said to the paralytic, “Take courage, son, your sins have been forgiven.” (3) And see, some of the scribes said to themselves, “This One blasphemes!” (4) And יהושע, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think wicked thoughts in your hearts? (5) “For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins have been forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Arise and walk’? (6) “But in order for you to know that the Son of Aḏam possesses authority on earth to forgive sins…” He then said to the paralytic, “Rise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” (7) And he rose and went to his house. (8) And when the crowds saw it, they marvelled and praised Elohim who had given such authority to men.

      Above {see previous replies} we wrote already about the difference of worshipping and giving reverence or honour.

      It so happened on one of the days when Jesus was teaching that there was a convention of church members as the people press’d after him to hear his divine preaching, he came near the lake of Gennesereth, were Simon Peter fell on his knees before Jesus, and asked to withdraw from such a sinful man as him. But Peter did not say Jesus was God nor did he worship Jesus.

      Luk 5:1-9 The Scriptures 1998+ (1) And it came to be, while the crowd was pressing upon Him to hear the word of Elohim, that He stood by the Lake of Gennĕsar, (2) and He saw two boats standing by the lake, but the fishermen had gone from them and were washing their nets. (3) And entering into one of the boats, which belonged to Shimʽon, He asked him to pull away a little from the land. And He sat down and was teaching the crowds from the boat. (4) And when He ceased speaking, He said to Shimʽon, “Pull out into the deep and let down your nets for a catch.” (5) And Shimʽon answering, said to Him, “Master, we have toiled all night and caught none, but at Your word I shall let down the net.” (6) And when they did so, they caught a great number of fish, and their net was breaking, (7) and they motioned to their partners in the other boat to come and help them. And they came and filled both the boats, so that they were sinking. (8) And when Shimʽon Kĕpha saw it, he fell down at the knees of יהושע, saying, “Depart from me, for I am a man, a sinner, O Master!” (9) For astonishment had seized him and all those with him, at the catch of fish which they took,

      Joh 20:6-9 The Scriptures 1998+ (6) Then Shimʽon Kĕpha came, following him, and went into the tomb. And he saw the linen wrappings lying, (7) and the cloth which had been on His head, not lying with the linen wrappings, but folded up in a place by itself. (8) So, then, the other taught one, who came to the tomb first, also went in. And he saw and believed. (9) For they did not yet know the Scripture, that He has to rise again from the dead.
      Contrary to what you write that would be written in Luke 5:8; John 20:28 it is not about Jesus accepting worship. The apostles, like him, knew very well that “In the Law of Moses, God specifically commanded the Israelites “to worship only him” (= Him = God)”. Jesus demonstrated not that he was in fact God by accepting the worship of, among others, his disciples (Luke 5:8; John 20:28).

      He also did not “specifically said he was God”. Read it very carefully and consider what you as a patron of the house say of your partner and children. Jesus said “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).

      Again you are not hearing all what Jesus says:

      Joh 10:25-30 The Scriptures 1998+ (25) יהושע answered them, “I have told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s Name, they bear witness concerning Me. (26) “But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. (27) “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.1 Footnote: 1Rev. 14:4-5. (28) “And I give them everlasting life, and they shall by no means ever perish, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. (29) “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. And no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. (30) “I and My Father are one.”1 Footnote: 1See 17:11, 17:21-23.
      Jesus is talking about the unity between him and his Father, like he wants us to have also the same unity as him with his Father. In your way of thinking this would make us to become Christ and to become The God as well. The same people in a marriage or partnership you would seem to be one and the same person?! Because in a good relationship persons “have to be one”.

      You seem to misunderstand Jesus like the Jews misunderstood him, thinking he was claiming to be equal with God. (see John 10:33). Trinitarians make the same mistake. The oneness referred to, is not a declaration by Christ that he is ”Very God,” but rather unity of purpose. Consider the evidence:
      a. Jesus subsequently prayed for his disciples, “that they may be one, as we are.” (John 17:11,21). These words require that the unity referred to, be also extended to the disciples. Obviously the unity is not that of the powers of the Godhead but unity resulting from sanctification through the word of God. (John 17:14,17,18).
      b. See also (John 17:22,23): “ … that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one … ” Likewise, these words require a relationship between the disciples and Christ which exists between the Son and his Father — a unity, or perfection with the divine purpose.

      Elsewhere in John’s gospel, Jesus clearly affirms that he is not co-equal with the Father: “The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do.” (John 5:19); “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” (John 5:30); “My Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28).

      He also told the religious leaders, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58, “I am” was one of the names that God used of himself). The leaders clearly recognized what Jesus was saying and started to pick up stones to stone him for blasphemy.

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      Why do you think Jesus performed miracles only God could do, by which you probably think by being there Himself and not by the hand of others? You seem to forget all the miracles men of God did in the previous centuries. You yourself say “Jesus did the same miracles Isaiah had prophesied would be signs of God’s presence (Isaiah 35:4-6)”. But the chapter of Isaiah there is talking about the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf be opened in the time of Isaiah and in the time of vengeance, with the recompense of Elohim. God is talking there about the Last Days. In Jesus God was present under mankind and still is present with us today and at the End Times God surely will be there. Plus after Armageddon, an other 1000 years when Jesus will reign and than comes the real end of this all to enter a total new stage where God will be the Most High Lord of Lord of lords.

      You further give “more examples of Jesus’ actions and claims”:

      • “He forgave the sins of a man who had been paralyzed since birth. The religious leaders recognized his action as either evidence that he was God (“only God can forgive sins”) or blasphemy. Jesus silenced them by healing the paralyzed man in front of them and other witnesses, a miracle that only God could performed (Matthew 9:1-8)”. when other prophetxs did such miraculous things like bringing people tolife or bringing snakes from sticks or bringing bugs or wars over others, according to your thinking they were also God, becaus eonly God can do such miracles. Jesus called himself the “capstone” (the highest and most critical part of a building) that was rejected by the “builders”, in this case the religious leaders. Again they tried to find a way to arrest him (Matthew 21:42-46). But being a cornerstone of something does not mean to be The God. Lots of people may be the capstone of an enterprise or something else, but they are not God. The Church of which Jesus is the cornerstone is also the Church of God. Jehovah God is the Master Builder Who uses Jesus as His cornerstone for His building. Jesus is an element of the building not the Maker of it himself.

      • You yourself know to say: “At his final trial, when Jesus was asked whether he was the “Christ, the Son of God,” he replied that he was.” So why do you not believe Jesus is the son of God and do you want to make him to God HImself?

      You continue “At this point the high priest tore his own clothes, a sign of great distress over, among other things, blasphemy, and the religious leaders emphatically demanded that Jesus die for his “blasphemy” (Mathew 26:63-66).” It was not for blasphemy that Jesus would claim to be The God, but for what he dared to claim from himself and dared to stay in silence “But Jesus held his peace”. The basphemy being about Jesus to be “the Messiah, the Son of God” and he (Jesus) claiming to be able to sit next to God: “ Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of the sky.” (Matthew 26:64)

      Mat 26:59-68 The Scriptures 1998+ (59) And the chief priests, and the elders, and all the council were seeking false witness against יהושע to put Him to death, (60) but found none. Although many false witnesses came forward, they found none. But at last two false witnesses came forward, (61) and said, “This one said, ‘I am able to destroy the Dwelling Place of Elohim and to build it in three days.’ ” (62) And the high priest stood up and said to Him, “Have You no answer to make? What do these witness against You?” (63) But יהושע remained silent. So the high priest said to Him, “I put You to oath, by the living Elohim that You say to us if You are the Messiah, the Son of Elohim.” (64) יהושע said to him, “You have said it. Besides I say to you, from now you shall see the Son of Aḏam sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of the heaven.” (65) Then the high priest tore his garments, saying, “He has blasphemed! Why do we need any more witnesses? See, now you have heard His blasphemy! (66) “What do you think?” And they answering, said, “He is liable to death.” (67) Then they spat in His face and beat Him, and others slapped Him, (68) saying, “Prophesy to us, Messiah! Who is the one who struck You?”

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      Jesus never claimed to be the God to Whom he at one moment asked why He had abandoned him. why would a person call onto himself and how can a person have forsaken himself?”
      Mat 27:46 The Scriptures 1998+ (46) And about the ninth hour יהושע cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Ěli, Ěli, lemah sheḇaqtani?” that is, “My Ěl, My Ěl, why have You forsaken Me?”

      Would Jesus also have been so schizophrenic to tell others not to pray to him but to his heavenly Father and himself also praying to that Father, the Only One God, when he would be that God himself?

      When Jesus would be the All-knowing God he also would have “not told the truth” which we consider “to have told lies” on many occasions. Even to his closeted friends he would not have given their assurance of something he knew. (Like who would be sitting next to him and when he would return.)

      Mat 20:20-23 The Scriptures 1998+ (20) Then the mother of the sons of Zaḇdai came to Him with her sons, bowing down and making a request of Him. (21) And He said to her, “What do you wish?” She said to Him, “Command that these two sons of mine might sit, one on Your right hand and the other on the left, in Your reign.” (22) But יהושע answering, said, “You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and to be immersed with the immersion that I am immersed with?” They said to Him, “We are able.” (23) And He said to them, “You shall indeed drink My cup, and you shall be immersed with the immersion that I am immersed with.1 But to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by My Father.” Footnote:1See Mark 10:39 and Luke 12:50.

      Mar 10:40 The Scriptures 1998+ (40) but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared.”

      Mat 25:34 The Scriptures 1998+ (34) “Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world

      From Scriptures we do know God cannot be tempted nor does tell lies but Jesus was tempted more than once, could sin but did not, so that would also mean Jesus did not tell lies. Therefore when Jesus says he is the sent one from god, that he is the son of God, that he is the promised Messiah who is doing the works not of him but of his Father, Who is greater than him (Jesus) we should believe him (Jesus) and his heavenly Father (Jehovah God).

      1Co 8:6 The Scriptures 1998+ (6) for us there is one Elohim,1 the Father {Jehovah God}, from whom all came and for whom we live, and one Master יהושע {Jeshua}Messiah {the Christ}2, through whom all came and through whom we live. Footnote: 1Eph. 4:6, 1 Tim. 2:5, Mk. 12:32,34. 2 Jeshua = Jesus Christ

      Joh 17:1-4 The Scriptures 1998+ (1) יהושע said these words, and lifted up His eyes to the heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come. Esteem Your Son, so that Your Son also might esteem You, (2) as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give everlasting life to all whom You have given Him. (3) “And this is everlasting life, that they should know You, the only true Elohim, and יהושע Messiah whom You have sent. (4) “I have esteemed You on the earth, having accomplished the work You have given Me that I should do.

      1Ti 2:3-7 The Scriptures 1998+ (3) For this is good and acceptable before Elohim our Saviour, (4) who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (5) For there is one Elohim,1 and one Mediator between Elohim and men, the Man Messiah יהושע, Footnote: 11 Cor. 8:6, Eph. 4:6, Mk. 12:29-34. (6) who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be witnessed in its own seasons, (7) for which I was appointed a proclaimer and an emissary – I am speaking the truth in Messiah and not lying – a teacher of the gentiles in belief and truth.

      Joh 5:36-47 The Scriptures 1998+ (36) “But I have a greater witness than that of Yoḥanan, for the works that the Father gave Me to accomplish, the works that I do, bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. (37) “And the Father who sent Me, He bore witness of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.1 Footnote: 1See 1:18. (38) “And you do not have His Word staying in you, because you do not believe Him whom He sent. (39) “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me. (40) “But you do not desire to come to Me in order to possess life. (41) “I do not receive esteem from men, (42) but I know you, that you do not have the love of Elohim in you. (43) “I have come in My Father’s Name and you do not receive Me, if another comes in his own name, him you would receive.1 Footnote: 1“Another,” another one, was indeed a prophecy by יהושע of another one, probably the same one we read of in 2 Thess. 2:4. See Anti-Messiah in Explanatory Notes. (44) “How are you able to believe, when you are receiving esteem from one another, and the esteem that is from the only Elohim you do not seek? (45) “Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Mosheh, in whom you have set your expectation. (46) “For if you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, since he wrote about Me. (47) “But if you do not believe his writings,1 how shall you believe My words?” Footnote: 1Lk. 9:33, Lk. 16:31, Mal. 4:4-5.

      Joh 17:1-26 The Scriptures 1998+ (1) יהושע said these words, and lifted up His eyes to the heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come. Esteem Your Son, so that Your Son also might esteem You, (2) as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give everlasting life to all whom You have given Him. (3) “And this is everlasting life, that they should know You, the only true Elohim, and יהושע Messiah whom You have sent. (4) “I have esteemed You on the earth, having accomplished the work You have given Me that I should do. (5) “And now, esteem Me with Yourself, Father, with the esteem which I had with You before the world was. (6) “I have revealed Your Name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world. They were Yours, and You gave them to Me, and they have guarded Your Word.1 Footnote: 1See Ps. 138:2. (7) “Now they have come to know that all You gave to Me, is from You. (8) “Because the Words which You gave to Me, I have given to them. And they have received them, and have truly known that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me. (9) “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. (10) “And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I have been esteemed in them. (11) “And I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Set-apart Father, guard them in Your Name which You have given Me, so that they might be one,1 as We are. Footnote: 1See 10:30. (12) “When I was with them in the world, I was guarding them in Your Name which You have given Me, and I watched over them, and not one of them perished except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be filled. (13) “And now I come to You. And I speak these words in the world, so that they have My joy completed in them. (14) “I have given them Your Word, and the world hated them because they are not of the world, as I am not of the world. (15) “I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the wicked one. (16) “They are not of the world, as I am not of the world. (17) “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth.1 Footnote: 1See Ps. 119:142, 151. (18) “As You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world. (19) “And for them I set Myself apart, so that they too might be set apart in truth. (20) “And I do not pray for these alone, but also for those believing in Me through their word, (21) so that they all might be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us, so that the world might believe that You have sent Me. (22) “And the esteem which You gave Me I have given them, so that they might be one as We are one, (23) “I in them, and You in Me, so that they might be perfected into one, so that the world knows that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. (24) “Father, I desire that those whom You have given Me, might be with Me where I am, so that they see My esteem which You have given Me, because You loved Me before the foundation of the world. (25) “O righteous Father, indeed the world did not know You, but I knew You, and these knew that You sent Me. (26) “And I have made Your Name known to them, and shall make it known,1 so that the love with which You loved Me might be in them, and I in them.” Footnote: 1See v. 6, Ps. 22:22, Heb. 2:12.

      We sincerely hope these answers may shed a light on who Jesus really is. Hopefully you shall compare the different sayings in the Holy Scriptures and will be able to come to see what is really written in those Books and that you shall come to be able to put aside man’s doctrines and keep to the biblical doctrines.

      That God may bless you and give you insight by His Word, so that you might find Him and His son, finding the way to life in accordance to God’s Will and not to man’s will.

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  8. The Trinity (Part I)

    Christians speak of the holy Trinity, the three “persons of God, as a foundational aspect of their faith. The holy Trinity is the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit, somehow existing as a single “God.” At the very least it sounds confusing. Some people think it’s irrational.

    Why is the Trinity such an issue? Perhaps because it’s basic to knowing God. After all, to know God, we should know who he is and what he is like. The Trinity is a biblical concept, carried throughout the Scripture.

    Defining the Holy Trinity

    Webster defines the Trinity in the simplest terms:

    The union of three divine figures, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, in one Godhead.

    Accurate from a biblical standpoint? Yes. Understandable to most people? No. Misleading? Possibly. A much better and more complete definition of the Trinity is given by a well-known theological dictionary. It defines the Trinity as

    The term designating one God in three persons. Although not itself a
    Biblical term,…[it is] a convenient designation for the one God self
    revealed in Scripture as the one essence of the Godhead. We have to
    distinguish three “persons” who are neither three gods on the one side,
    not three parts or modes of God on the other, but coequally and
    coeternally God.” [J.B. Heard, “The Tripartite Nature of Man”, R.E. Brennan,
    “Psychotherapy and a Christian View of Man”: W.M. Horton, “A Psychological
    Approach to Theology”: as cited in Walter A. Elwell, ed. Evangelical Dictionary
    Of Theology (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House Co., 1984.). p. 1112.

    Why Isn’t the Word Trinity in the Bible?

    As the above definition states, although the word Trinity never appears in the Bible, the concept is “self-revealed” by God. Biblical scholars merely gave the concepts of the three-in-one God a name so it would be easy to refer to and discuss.

    There are other concepts in the Bible that have been given a name that doesn’t appear in the Bible. For instance, the omnipotence (“all-powerfulness”) of God is very clear from the Scriptures (for example, in Job 38 and 39). No Christian would deny this doctrine, yet the word omnipotence never used in the English Bible. For ease of reference, the concept of God’s “all-powerfulness” was given the name omnipotence.
    The Trinity Is Three Persons

    A person is someone who can know you, can counsel and help you, can care about you, and might even sacrifice himself for you. So the suggestion that God is an “it,” or the Holy Spirit is an “it,” is essentially saying that God is a “force” that doesn’t 1) know, 2) care about, 3) help, or 4) sacrifice itself for human beings. The Bible repeatedly states that God knows each of us, that he lovingly cares about us, that he counsels and helps us, and that he even sacrificed himself for us. Clearly, God is not an “it.”

    The Persons of the Trinity Are Co-Equal and Co-Eternal

    The words co-equal and co-eternal indicate that the Son and the Holy Spirit are totally equal with God the Father. At first glance, this seems to contradict the Bible. For instance, Jesus prayed to the Father in the garden of Gethsemane, “Not what I will, but what you will” (Mark 14:36). This seems to imply that the Father was above Jesus.

    The answer is revealed by defining the purpose of Jesus while he was on Earth. Jesus’ purpose was to assume the role of humanity to become not only a sacrifice for human sin but also to teach us how to relate to an all-powerful, all-holy God. To accomplish this, Jesus “gave up” the right to exercise his power as God while he was on Earth (this concept is called kenosis in theology). He was still 100-percent God, but he simply limited his power while on Earth (though he still had access to it). Jesus thus took on humanity with all its attributes. As a human, he taught us to pray to God. He taught us how to relate to God. And he taught us that the will of God is not always our will.

    Did this short-term subjugation to God the Father make Jesus “less equal”? No! It served a teaching purpose. The Bible clearly describe Jesus as equal to God (for example, “ I and the Father are one” – see John 10:30). Jesus also received worship and forgave sin, something only God could do. And Jesus proclaimed his authority as God: “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me” (Matthew 28:18)

    The eternal existence of Jesus along with the Father is evident in John Chapter 1. Jesus is a Person of the Godhead from the beginning to the end (Revelation 22:13). Likewise, the Holy Spirit is a Person of the Godhead who is co-equal and exists from the beginning to end. Notice that in the beginning (Genesis 1:2) the Spirit of God hovered over the surface of the deep. Also, at the end of time, the Spirit of God is again present (Revelation 22:17).

    The Trinity in the Old Testament

    There is substantial evidence supporting the concept of the Trinity in the Old Testament (the Hebrew Scriptures). Apart from the individual references to each of the three “parts” of the Trinity, we also find other indications that God is made up of multiple “persons.”

    God the Father

    God the Father is presented in the Old Testament in absolute, total glory. So holy and so glorious is his majesty that anyone who saw his face would die (Genesis 32:30; Isaiah 6:1-5).

    The presence of God the Father (theophany) was perceived in many miraculous ways:
    • An angel appeared to Hagar (Genesis 16:9)
    • The Lord appeared again to Abraham (Genesis 22:11-12)
    • The burning bush to Moses (Exodus 3:2)
    • Clouds and fire to the Israelites (Exodus 14:19)
    • The tabernacle (Exodus 40:34)
    • The Lord appeared to Moses (Exodus 33:11)
    A theophany is a visual or spoken presence of God. There were many theophanies in the Old Testament, possibly because God needed to provide unmistakable evidence of his divine authority over the rebellious nation of Israel. Some theophanies clearly show the glory of God, others are apparently manifestations of God in human form, often described as the appearance of “an angel of the Lord,” a term which implies a special reverence reserved for God.
    God the Son
    The Old Testament is also filled with writings that point toward Jesus. There are hundreds of prophecies contained in the Old Testament that are exactly fulfilled by Jesus. (Scholars have actually identified 322 distinct prophecies.)
    God has declared that prophecy is the key test to determine whether something is “from him” (Deuteronomy 18:9-22; Isaiah 46:10).
    Certainly the Jews themselves were well aware of a coming Messiah (“Anointed One”). Perhaps the single most important indication of the coming Messiah in relation to the Trinity is Isaiah’s prophecy of a “son” who was to be called “Ii“Immanuel””
    “Immanuel” (Isaiah 7:14). Immanuel means “God with us.”

    Matthew makes this prophetic parallel very clear in his Gospel (1:23). The early apostles, who lived continuously with Jesus for three years, not only understood the important role of the Son, Jesus, as part of the Trinity, they actually used the Old Testament prophecy of a coming “God incarnate” to persuade the monotheistic Jews that Jesus was God. When we consider the very strong monotheistic attitude of the Jewish nation, and add to this the very large number of Jews who quickly adopted Christianity (largely due to fulfilled Old Testament prophecy), this leads us to the conclusion that those who were in the best position to “know for certain” the facts about Jesus (including his role as a Person of the Trinity) accepted the prophecy about Jesus, including Matthew’s key point of Jesus being “God with us.”

    God the Spirit

    The third component of the Trinity, the Spirit of God, is mentioned throughout the Old Testament. Starting at the very beginning of Genesis (1:2), we find this important verse:

    The Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

    The Hebrew word used for spirit is ruwach, which in essence means “a resemblance of breath”, but “only by a rational being.” So we can recognize immediately that this “Spirit” is differentiated from God the Father and God the Son. And we also see that he is a “rational being,” not merely some “force.” Furthermore, we see the Holy Spirit involved immediately from the beginning of creation.

    The Spirit of God is also seen in the Old Testament as a counselor or helper, indwelling people to allow them to accomplish things that God wills (as in the New Testament). For example, Bezalel was filled with the Spirit of God so that he would have certain abilities in handcrafts in making the tabernacle (Exodus 31:3). Even some people who rejected God were inspired by the Holy Spirit, as indicated by the pagan prophet Balaam’s blessing of Israel despite the enemy king Balak’s attempt to purchase a curse (Numbers 24:2-3).

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    1. Dear Theon,

      You write: “The Trinity is a biblical concept, carried throughout the Scripture.” But nowhere in the Bible is spoken the Trinity or a three-une godhead. Instead there is clearly told there is only one True God and that no other gods may be worshipped.

      You agree that the concept itself is not in the Bible but say that the concept is “self-revealed” by God. We wonder where.
      It where ‘Biblical scholars’ you say yourself who ‘merely gave the concepts of the three-in-one God’ and further you write “a name so it would be easy to refer to discuss”. But when everybody would have kept to the Words of God nothing would have to be discussed and everything would be clear for everyone. It is the false doctrine of the Trinity which has mislead many people and one lie brought in the other lie and could give reasons that God Himself was misleading the people. It also created the opportunity for others to say God is a liar, because one moment He says He is an omnipotent all-knowing eternal God who is a spirit Who can not be tempted and has not to fear man nor death because they can do Him nothing; whilst at other occasions is sayd he was born (had a beginning) was seen by many who did not fall o, was tempted many times (contrary to the saying God can not be tempted) was afraid of what was coming, sweating even blood and really brought to death by man (though God can not die). In case Jesus is also the all-knowing God he lied to his disciples, saying that he did not know who would be seated next to him in his Fathers Kingdom. Jesus even did not know when he would come back to earth. So t that as well and about the fact that he is not a spirit, though he proofed that he was not a spirit by showing his wounds, while on an other occasion God clearly says He is a spirit with no flesh and blood.

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    2. How could Jesus as being God himself teach us how to relate to an all-powerful, all-holy God and what would be the use of him faking his death?

      You also agree that her might be the suggestion that God is an “it,” or the Holy Spirit is an “it,” which is according to you “essentially saying that God is a “force” that doesn’t 1) know, 2) care about, 3) help, or 4) sacrifice itself for human beings”, which would once again being against all the other biblical sayings that God is a force that really feels with His creatures.

      The Bible repeatedly states that God knows each of us, that he lovingly cares about us, that he counsels and helps us. But the Bible does not say “that he even sacrificed himself for us”. Though you continue by saying “Clearly, God is not an “it.”” Though the New Testament speaks about that “man” from Nazareth “who” and not “it” about who God who does not tell lies says that Jesus is His only begotten beloved son.

      Mat 3:16-17 HNV Yeshua, when he was immersed, went up directly from the water: and behold, the heavens were opened to him. He saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming on him. (17) Behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

      When Jesus is God Himself is God than not telling an untruth or a lie?

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    3. That the prophesies which where fulfilled before Jesus birth and after Jesus’ birth does not at all proof that Jesus is God, contrary Jesus is one of those fulfilments of prophesy, and proving that everything God tells comes true.

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    4. Dear Theon, many Christians may speak of the holy Trinity, the three “persons of God, as a foundational aspect of their faith” but real Christians should follow the Word of God, believing the Bible and not following human doctrines such as the dogmatic Trinity teaching.

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  9. Jesus the “Almighty God”

    If you look at Psalm 100:3 it says: “Acknowledge that the LORD is God! He made us, and we are his.”

    Many times Jesus referred to His own deity, both directly and indirectly, Jesus used the terms “Son of Man” and “Son of God” often. Both referred to His divine nature (Daniel 7:13,14; Matthew 26:63,64). Jesus also used the specific words I am (Ego eimi in Greek, Ani bu in Hebrew) on several occasions (e.g., John 8:56-58). God used these same words to describe Himself to Moses. Jesus also states specifically that He and God (Father) are “one” (John 10:30), meaning, the same substance, nature and essence.

    We also find in Isaiah 9:6, that Jesus is referred to as a “Mighty God”

    Did you know that “Mighty God” is translated from Hebrew word Elohim, a very common name for God in the Old Testament; used 2,570 times. Means: “strong one” plural ending (im in Hebrew) indicates fullness of power. “God of all the earth” “God of heaven”.

    Jesus is called “Everlasting Father” in Isaiah 9:6, is better translated “Father of eternity” in this context carry the meaning “possessor of eternity.”

    In Isaiah 40:3, we find that Jesus is called both Yahweh (Jehovah) and Elohim in the same verse. This verse was written in reference to future ministry of Jesus (see John 1:23) and represents one of the strongest affirmations of Christ’s deity in the O.T.

    We all know that we only pray directly to God, refer to John 14:13, John 15:16 you will find that we direct our prayers to Jesus.

    We also know that we only worship God, Jesus always accepted such worship as appropriate:

    From Peter (Luke 5:8)
    From Thomas (John 20:28)
    From Angels (Heb 1:6)
    From Old Testament saints (Joshua 5-13-15)
    From Demons (Mark 5:6)
    We see all of heaven worshiping Jesus (Rev 5:11)

    What the Bible says about Jesus
    Revelation 1:7-8 says: Jesus is the Almighty
    Genesis 17:1 says: The Almighty is God

    John 18:51 says: Jesus is the I Am
    Exodus 3:14 says: The I Am is God

    John 8:24 says: Jesus is I Am He
    Isaiah 43:10 says: I Am He is God

    Hebrews 1:6 says: Angels worship Jesus
    Psalm 148:2 says: Angels worship God

    Acts 4:12 says: Jesus is the One Savior
    Isaiah 45:21 says: The One Savior is God

    Luke 1:68 says: Jesus is the One Redeemer
    Isaiah 41:14 says: The One Redeemer is God

    Philippians 2:10 says: Every knee must bow to Jesus
    Isaiah 45:23 says: Every knee must bow to God

    Did you know that there are about 3,856 verses directly or indirectly concerned with prophecy in Scripture, about one verse in six tells of future events? God’s challenge to the world is “Prove Me now, I am the Lord … I will speak, and the word that I speak shall come to pass.” (See Jeremiah 28:9; Ezekiel 12:25) Buddhists, Confucianists, and Muslims have their own sacred writings, but in them the element of prophecy is obviously absent.

    In the brief life of Jesus alone we see over 300 fulfilled prophecies! Only Jesus as an all-knowing God could make and fulfill.

    Here are few other biblical passages proving that Jesus is God:

    Isaiah 44:6
    “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the Lord of
    host: “I am the First and I am the Last; besides Me there is no God.’”

    Isaiah 43:10
    “You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “And My servant whom I have
    chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He.
    Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall be after ME.”

    Revelation 1:8
    “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the
    Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

    Revelation 21:6
    “And He said to me, ‘It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the
    Beginning and the End.’”

    1 John 5:20
    “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an
    understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is
    true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.”

    1 Timothy 3:16
    “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was
    manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached
    among he Gentiles, believed on in the world,
    received up in glory.”

    Titus 2:13
    “…looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God
    and Savior Jesus Christ…”

    John 8:58
    Jesus said to them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was,
    I AM.’”

    Isaiah 7:14
    “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall
    conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.”
    (Immanuel translated: “God among us.”)

    Philippians 2:10-11
    “…that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and
    of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should
    confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

    (There will come a day that all angels, all prophets, all religious leaders, including Buddha, Confucius, Muhammad bowing down to Jesus)

    We also find in Scripture that Jesus is described as:

    • OMINIPRESENT Matt. 28:20
    • OMNISCIENT John 2:24
    • OMNIPOTENT Heb.1:3
    • CREATOR John 1:1-3
    • ETERNAL Micah 5:2, Heb 1:8
    • GOD Heb. 1:8; Titus 2:13; John 1:1; John 20:28
    Conclusion: We clearly see that Jesus Christ claims to be God in human flesh and clearly identified as God. He is to be prayed to, worshiped to, and possess the many attributes of God.

    Can you see now, that Jesus is God?

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    1. You seem to confuse Jesus with God. Effectively Psalms is speaking about God Who made us, but Jesus did not made us, though Jesus gave us a new chance to live, and as such being the creator of the New World.

      You write “We also find in Scripture that Jesus is described as” and give several attributes which are of God but do not apply to Christ:

      • OMINIPRESENT: Jesus was not present at the death of his friend Lazarus and also on many other occasions he was not there where he was expected to be. In Matt. 28:20 Jesus tells his apostle that he shall be with them until the end of the world. This is made possbile because Jesus is now made higher than angels (he was lower than them) and made to sit at the right hand of God being a mediator between God and man. If Jesus would be God than he can not sit next to himself and being a mediator between man and himself
      • OMNISCIENT Nowhere says it in the Bible that Jesus knew everything. Just the opposite. It is told that Jesus had to learn everything and had to grow up like any boy had to do. In case Jesus knew every thing than he told many many lies. Worst of all he told he even did not know when he would come back, so that is something which he if God could decide himself and concern himself. He also did not know who would be seated next to him. You seem to overlook about what John is talking, Jesus knowing how man is. “But Jesus did not trust himself unto them, for that he knew all men,” (John 2:24 ASV)
      • OMNIPOTENT the verse you quote does not say at all that Jesus is omnipotent. It clearly indicates that Jesus as not being God sits at God His right Hand:“who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had made purification of sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;” (Hebrews 1:3 ASV)

      • CREATOR To get to know the Creator you should look at the Genesis where it is clearly said there is Only One God. In later books is clarified that this God is One and that He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus and his disciples. the youngest disciple of Jesus knew the Gdo of the Jew Jesus very well and knew also the Torah very good. In the same sense as Moses wrote the Pentateuch the apostle sees in Jesus the man who made the new creation possible? The Messiah is the beginning of the New World. In the same manner Moses wrote about the Word (the speaking of God) he looked at the Word spoken in the Garden of Eden and having become reality with the birth of Christ. In the beginning god spoke and everything came into being. After the fall of man God spoke and promised a solution against the curse of death. That solution is Christ Jesus, the Messiah, the son of man and son of God. “1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.” (John 1:1-3 ASV)

      • ETERNAL Here again you seem to confuse promises, people (a group of persons) with one who is promised and One Who made the promise. “But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting.” (Micah 5:2 ASV) Jesus is going to be the ruler over Israel. He is going to be the king here on earth to lead the Kingdom form the capital Jerusalem in the promised land Israel.

      Look very careful abbout who is speaking about Whom. Jesus, the only begotten beloved son of God (according to God His Own Words – and God does not tell lies) it is the son speaking toGod who’s Power and Whose Throne is forever. Jesus is later to hand over the Kingdom to his heavenly Father. (Have you forgotten or overlooked that?) “but of the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.” (Hebrews 1:8 ASV)

      • GOD concerning The God and a god you seam to forget that there are many people called god in the Bible and that there are still many gods, though we do hope you do not take them all to be The God of gods. Once again you not to see that Jesus is not talking about himself but about The God and that it is Jesus saying “Thy throne oh God” (Please read the text very carefully) “but of the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.” (Hebrews 1:8 ASV)

      In the next phrase you seem to miss the little word “and” “looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” (Titus 2:13 ASV)

      “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1 ASV) In this translation it is written with a capital and the first God is not referred to as The God whilst the second as ‘a god’ but in the original version you can read:
      Yah Chanan (#Jo 1:1-3): In the beginning the Word having been and the Word having been unto God and God having been the Word he having been, in the beginning, unto God all through his hand became: and without him not even one being whatever became. (Aramaic New Covenant; ANCJ Released: 1996 Contents: New Testament Source Used: Exegeses Bibles (1996)Location: Tyndale House, Cambridge, United Kingdom)
      Or simply said: “In the beginning existed the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was a god.” (The Monotessaron)
      It is told that the speaking of God (the Word) is divine and that the Word (i.e. the result of speaking) came from the Spirit God (remember also that the Bible tells us that God is Spirit but also that Jesus clearly indicated he is not a spirit, and that we are told that Jesus even had bones, flesh and blood and could be seen by man though God cannot be seen by man)

      Once more you seem to miss three small letters which in many occasions can be important. See the “and” in the phrase: “Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.” (John 20:28 ASV) and even when you miss it you should think about all the other high people, like Moses, Pharaoh, Angels, Apollo, Zeus, Baal, who are also called god but are not The God.

      It looks like you could use the sites Messiah for all and Relating to God to show you who Jesus really is and that he is the Way to god and not God himself and how Jesus is the one of the prophesies you like to refer to, but not seem to catch or understand what those prophesies, i.e. Words of God do imply.
      At those websites and at this website you might find many answers to the remarks here made, which would end up in pages of replies here, so please go and read the articles about the phrases quoted.

      But may we let you think already about the main parts mentioned above and about following verses:

      “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, [even] the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John;” (Revelation 1:1 ASV)

      “And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:” (Revelation 3:14 ASV)

      “17 ¶ But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh even until now, and I work. 18 For this cause therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only brake the sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God. 19 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father doing: for what things soever he doeth, these the Son also doeth in like manner. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that himself doeth: and greater works than these will he show him, that ye may marvel. 21 For as the Father raiseth the dead and giveth them life, even so the Son also giveth life to whom he will. 22 For neither doth the Father judge any man, but he hath given all judgment unto the Son; 23 that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father that sent him. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself: 27 and he gave him authority to execute judgment, because he is a son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, 29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. 30 I can of myself do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is righteous; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 31 ¶ If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32 It is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33 Ye have sent unto John, and he hath borne witness unto the truth. 34 But the witness which I receive is not from man: howbeit I say these things, that ye may be saved. 35 He was the lamp that burneth and shineth; and ye were willing to rejoice for a season in his light. 36 But the witness which I have is greater than [that of] John; for the works which the Father hath given me to accomplish, the very works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.” (John 5:17-36 ASV)

      “27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be fearful. 28 ¶ Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe. 30 I will no more speak much with you, for the prince of the world cometh: and he hath nothing in me; 31 but that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.” (John 14:27-31 ASV)

      “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Corinthians 11:3 ASV)

      “5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient [even] unto death, yea, the death of the cross.” (Philippians 2:5-8 ASV)

      “30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God. 31 And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:30-35 ASV)

      “21 ¶ Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that, Jesus also having been baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily form, as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself, when he began [to teach], was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the [son] of Heli,” (Luke 3:21-23 ASV)

      “but when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,” (Galatians 4:4 ASV)

      “[even] Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.” (Acts 10:38 ASV)

      “But we behold him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, [even] Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of death for every [man].” (Hebrews 2:9 ASV)

      “Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same; that through death he might bring to nought him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;” (Hebrews 2:14 ASV)

      “Wherefore it behooved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.” (Hebrews 2:17 ASV)

      “25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. 26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am [he].” (John 4:25-26 ASV)

      “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6 ASV)

      “For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, [himself] man, Christ Jesus,” (1 Timothy 2:5 ASV)

      “and to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better than [that of] Abel.” (Hebrews 12:24 ASV)

      “19 ¶ What then is the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise hath been made; [and it was] ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one; but God is one.” (Galatians 3:19-20 ASV)

      We do hope you shall come to believe in Jesus Christ and the One Who sent him (the Only One True God), being the son of man and son of god, also being your saviour.

      “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.” (John 5:24 ASV)

      “And without faith it is impossible to be well-pleasing [unto him]; for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that seek after him.” (Hebrews 11:6 ASV)

      “Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and finding him, he said, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?” (John 9:35 ASV)

      “To him bear all the prophets witness, that through his name every one that believeth on him shall receive remission of sins.” (Acts 10:43 ASV)

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  10. INCARNATION

    Before there was a world, before stars and planets, there was Jesus. Coequal, coeternal, and coexistent with the Father and the Holy Spirit, Jesus was with God—and He was God. John 1:1–2 tells us, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.” That beginning goes back before creation. In John 1:14 tells us, “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…” When the Word became flesh, he dwelt in the womb of Mary and was born as Jesus. Jesus is the incarnation of God, the term “incarnation” means “to become flesh.” Jesus is God in flesh. Col. 2:9 says, “for in him dwells all the fullness of deity in bodily form.”

    Another term for the incarnation of God in reference to Jesus is the hypostatic union. The term “incarnation” does not appear in the New Testament, but the concept is definitely taught: John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; 1 Tim. 3:16; 1 John 4:2; John 20:28; Heb. 1:8.

    Few more points about John 1:1. First, the words “in the beginning” in John 1:1 are translated from the Greek words en arche. It is highly significant that these are the very words that begin the Book of Genesis in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament, which predates the time of Christ). The obvious conclusion we must draw is that John’s “beginning” is identical to the Genesis “beginning.”

    The phrase “in the beginning” has specific reference to the beginning of time when the universe was created. When the time-space universe came into being, Christ the divine Word was already existing. It is important to grasp this, because John tells us that “in the beginning [when time began] was the Word”. The verb “was” in this verse is an imperfect tense in the Greek text, indicating continued existence.

    Dr. Julius R. Mantey (World’s top 50 Greek Scholar) stated that ninety-nine percent of the scholars of the world who know Greek and who helped translate the Bible are in disagreement of those who believed that Jesus is not God in John 1:1.

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    1. Thank you very much for your reaction, which is very much appreciated.

      When you are looking to the Gospel of John we may not forget the way how the evangelist wanted to write his book and how he looked at the world. For the apostle it was clear that with Jesus the 2nd Adam was given to the world and a New World was created. Jesus, for the apostle, was the cause of that new creation. It was the fulfilment of what God promised in the Garden of Eden. You seem to confuse a subject or an element, like the result of speaking, with a person, like many people also take Wisdom to be God instead of taking it as a result of possibility to use the mind and the result of the force of thinking.

      When we look at the verses in the original writing we can read:

      Yah Chanan (#Jo 1:1-3): In the beginning the Word having been and the Word having been unto God and God having been the Word he having been, in the beginning, unto God all through his hand became: and without him not even one being whatever became. (Aramaic New Covenant; ANCJ Released: 1996 Contents: New Testament Source Used: Exegeses Bibles (1996)Location: Tyndale House, Cambridge, United Kingdom)

      or in an easier English contemporary translation:

      1 In [the] beginning+ the Word*+ was, and the Word was with God,*+ and the Word was a god.*+ 2 This one was in [the] beginning+ with God.+ 3 All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

      What has come into existence 4 by means of him was life,+ and the life was the light+ of men.* 5 And the light is shining in the darkness,+ but the darkness has not overpowered it. (Ref.B)

      +

      And the word became flesh, and tabernacled {” Tabernacled ” for ” dwelt “ } among us (and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth. (John 1:14 Sacred Scriptures, Bethel Edition)

      14 So the Word became flesh+ and resided* among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son+ from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth.+ (Ref.B)

      *

      John very well knew that the promised breaker of the curse of death or the one to bring salvation from death was Jeshua, the Kristos or Christ, Messiah, the prophet and master teacher he had seen and followed and believed in, like we should also believe in that son of God the sent one from God.

      “but when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,” (Galatians 4:4 ASV)

      Look very carefully at the word of John 1:1–2 which speak about the beginning of times and Moses tells us about a Voice speaking in the void, which resulted in words spoken by the Most High Elohim, Jehovah the God of gods. The text you quote says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God” implicating that it was a word or logos (the word “the Logos.” Gr., ho loʹgos; Lat., Verʹbum; J17,18,22(Heb.), had·Da·varʹ), not a person which was with God, namely God His speaking. It was God His speaking not a person “Word” = not a figure but a result of having a breath going out of the mouth and producing sounds which forms words. Then there is written about the Logos or word: “and the Word was God” yes it was God Who spoke and produced the sounds, presenting a divine Word or godly word.

      In the Christian Greek Scriptures “the Word” (Gr., ho Loʹgos) also appears as a title. (#Joh 1:1,14; Re 19:13) John continued, saying:

      “This one was in the beginning with God.”

      because the speaking of God presenting a Word and offering words which brought into creation, was from eternity by God, in Him and from Him. Without God speaking nothing came about. At the beginning all things came into existence through God, but now John understood by the fall of man the world had lost its essence of being. By Christ who came into existence some 2020 years ago the Word of God brought the news to the virgin who became with child because of the speaking of God. first God had spoken in the Garden of Eden about a solution against the curse of death. Now that promise became fulfilled by the Word (the speaking) of God. By Adam and Eve all became death according to the Holy Scripture but now by the Word of Gdo spoken to the virgin Miriam/Myriam (Mary/Maria) that one spoken about became alive and as such the Word of God became in the flesh. The apostle John identified the one to whom the title “Word” belongs, namely, Jesus, he being so designated during his ministry on earth as a perfect man that though he was first lower than angels became placed higher than them. (Remember God was, is, and always shall be the Most High).

      It was the divine One Who had spoken from when there was void and by His Word came light and there came a rising of the sun

      Psalm 50:1: 50 The Divine One,+ God, Jehovah,*+ has himself spoken,+ And he proceeds to call the earth,*+ From the rising of the sun until its setting.+

      You are looking at that word as being a person but than you should also look at whom it can refer and that the second word being spoken of is a word of which is not said that it is The God but that it is a god: “The Word was a god.”

      John says:

      “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” (#Joh 1:1)(NW)

      The King James Version and the Douay Version read:

      “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

      This would make it appear that the Word was identical with Almighty God, while the former reading, in the New World Translation and several other word for word literal translations, indicates that the Word is not the God, Almighty God, but is a mighty one, a god.

      You seem to forget that even the judges of ancient Israel, who wielded great power in the nation, were called “gods.” [Ps 82:6; Joh 10:34, 35]) Actually, in the Greek text, the definite article ho, “the,” appears before the first “God,” but there is no article before the second.

      When John says that word was in the beginning with God, you should think about two different words;

    2. 1st The Word Word of The God i.e. the speaking of the Most High God and
    3. 2ndly the Word spoken in the Garden of Eden at the beginning of times, the promise of a solution against the choice made by the first human beings. That word spoken or given to Adam and Eve was all about the Messiah, a promise or word which shall be given to more people and would be professed by several prophets (men of God). God haven given His Word in the Garden made that the one promised was recognised by God to be the one to bring the solution. Like you and us already known by God from the beginning of times, you also written down in the “Book of life and death”, Jeshua his name (or Jesus) also was already written down and God knew him to be the Kristos or Christ. As such like you and we being known by God already long before Abraham was born and also written down in the Book of life, Jesus too was known by God long before Abraham was born.
    4. John believing in the Jesus he came to know, to be the Christ or Messiah, was convinced by this man of flesh and blood, who really died (remember God can not die) that the world could look at a new beginning or new creation. John 1:14 tells us, “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…” When the Word = the spoken word or promise of God, became flesh, Jeshua (Jesus) dwelt in the womb of Miriam or Mary and was born as Jesus. You might consider ‘incarnation‘ as some returning from death or form an other state of being coming into the world (again) by becoming an other being or person (or animal) but you saying Jesus being “the incarnation of God”, has the term “incarnation” meaning “to become flesh.” Not “Jesus is God in flesh” like you say, but having divine elements in him. You yourself quote Col. 2:9 which says,

      “for in him dwells all the fullness of deity in bodily form.”

      Please also look at your fragment in context:

      8 Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry+ YOU off as his prey through the philosophy+ and empty deception*+ according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary+ things of the world and not according to Christ; 9 because it is in him that all the fullness+ of the divine+ quality*+ dwells bodily. 10 And so YOU are possessed of a fullness by means of him, who is the head of all government and authority.+ 11 By relationship+ with him YOU were also circumcised+ with a circumcision performed without hands by the stripping off the body of the flesh,+ by the circumcision that belongs to the Christ, 12 for YOU were buried with him in [his]* baptism,+ and by relationship with him YOU were also raised+ up together through [YOUR] faith+ in the operation+ of God, who raised him up from the dead.+ (Ref.B)

      You might say that “in him (Jesus) that all the fullness  …  dwells bodily”:

      (#Eph 1:23): 23 which is his body,+ the fullness+ of him who fills up all things in all.+

      (#Col 1:19): 19 because [God]* saw good for all fullness+ to dwell in him,

      (#Ros 11:25): 25 For I do not want YOU, brothers, to be ignorant of this sacred secret,+ in order for YOU not to be discreet in your own eyes: that a dulling of sensibilities+ has happened in part to Israel until the full number*+ of people of the nations has come in,+

      (#Joh 1:16): 16 For we all received from out of his fullness,+ even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness.+

      (#Col 2:3): 3 Carefully concealed in him are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge.+

      and there is spoken of all the fullness of the divine quality which dwells bodily giving us to look at the fullness of the divine

      (#Ac 17:29): 29 “Seeing, therefore, that we are the progeny of God,+ we ought not to imagine that the Divine Being*+ is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and contrivance of man.+

      and at the divine quality = “Divine quality.” Lit., “godship.” Gr., the·oʹte·tos; Lat., di·vi·ni·taʹtis, dwelling bodily

      (#Col 1:19): 19 because God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him,+

      (#Col 2:3): 3 Carefully concealed in him are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge.+

      You yourself wants to remind us, but forget yourself

      Few more points about John 1:1. First, the words “in the beginning” in John 1:1 are translated from the Greek words en arche. It is highly significant that these are the very words that begin the Book of Genesis in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament, which predates the time of Christ). The obvious conclusion we must draw is that John’s “beginning” is identical to the Genesis “beginning.”

      that is just the whole point John looking at the books of Moses and the way he looked at the creation of the old world, now John looking at the creation of the new world.

      (#1Joh 1:1): 1 That which was from [the] beginning, {See (#1Jo 3:11) ftn. }{(#1Jo 2:7; 2:24; 3:11) } which we have heard,+ which we have seen with our eyes,+ which we have viewed+ attentively and our hands felt,+ concerning the word of life,+

      (#Pr 8:22) 22 “Jehovah himself produced me* as the beginning [“As the beginning of.” Heb., reʼ·shithʹ; Gr., ar·khenʹ; not bereʼ·shithʹ (Heb.) or en ar·kheiʹ (Gr.) as in (#Ge 1:1); Sy, “as the first”; TVgc(Lat., in i·niʹti·o), “in the beginning.”] of his way,+ the earliest of his achievements of long ago.+

      (#Col 1:15): 15 He is the image+ of the invisible+ God, the firstborn+ of all creation;

      (#Re 3:14): 14 “And to the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa+ write: These are the things that the Amen*+ says, the faithful+ and true+ witness,+ the beginning of the creation by God,+

      In several passages from the Scriptures you shall be able to find several people, not to say “all people” where created from the beginning. Man is being created by God and we only can exist because God allows us to exist. But life today can only come to us by the solution God provided for at the event when the first man and woman made the wrong choice and rebelled against God. Their adversary caused a broken relationship with the Divine Creator which can only be restored by the Messiah. Now, only by Jesus life is possible for us.

      by means of him was life:

      #Joh 5:26): 26 For just as the Father has life in himself,*+ so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.+

      (#Ac 3:15): 15 whereas YOU killed the Chief Agent of life.+ But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.+

      (#1Jo 1:2): 2 (yes, the life was made manifest,+ and we have seen and are bearing witness+ and reporting to YOU the everlasting life+ which was with the Father and was made manifest to us,)

      (#1Jo 5:11): 11 And this is the witness given, that God gave us everlasting life,+ and this life is in his Son.+

      (#Joh 11:25): 25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life.*+ He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life;+

      (#Re 1:18): 18 and the living one;+ and I became dead,+ but, look! I am living forever and ever,+ and I have the keys of death+ and of Haʹdes.*+

      (#John 14:6): 6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way+ and the truth+ and the life.+ No one comes to the Father except through me.+

      (#Col 3:4): 4 When the Christ, our life,+ is made manifest, then YOU also will be made manifest+ with him in glory.+

      (#Joh 5:24): 24 Most truly I say to YOU, He that hears my word and believes him that sent me has everlasting life,+ and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.+

      Further in the Bereshith or Genesis you can see how darkness came over mankind, but also how God’s promise was held, though did not bring light all over the world

      in verse 4 of John’s 1st chapter it is said “the life was the light of men” {The punctuation of vss 3 and 4 is according to WH, Vgww and The Greek New Testament by the United Bible Societies. }:

      (#Joh 5:26): 26 For just as the Father has life in himself,*+ so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.+

      (#Ac 3:15): 15 whereas YOU killed the Chief Agent of life.+ But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.+

      (#1Joh 1:2): 2 (yes, the life was made manifest,+ and we have seen and are bearing witness+ and reporting to YOU the everlasting life+ which was with the Father and was made manifest to us,)

      (#1Joh 5:11): 11 And this is the witness given, that God gave us everlasting life,+ and this life is in his Son.+

      It is not God Who incarnated like you insinuate and would be against God His telling we should not consider beings to incarnate but should know that when they died they have paid for their sins and then they will know nothing any more, their life being finished and them decaying, becoming dust like they came from dust.

      The Word, God’s Son, we must accept as the “firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth.”  —  (#Re 3:14; Col 1:15,16).

      It may well be that your translation gives you in Colossians 1:16: “By him [Christ] all things were made in the heavens and on the earth.” To which a classic commentary on Colossians helpfully responds, “This does not mean ‘by him’” (Expositors’ Greek Testament on Colossians, p.502).
      The author cites Moule, Ellicott and Meyer in support of the idea that creation “depends causally on the Son,” that is, that all things were made “because of the Son” — not “by the Son.”

      Thus also these two helpful translations: Complete Jewish Bible (Stern), Colossians 1:16:

      “Because in connection with him were created all things — in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, lordships, rulers or authorities — they have all been created through him and for him.”

      MacDonald Idiomatic Translation:

      “Because for him everything in the heavens and on earth was created, both phenomena and noumena, whether thrones, dominions, administrations, or authorities. All were created through him and for him.”

      In Anthony Buzard’s translation, The One God, One Man Messiah Translation of the NT (Amazon.com or 800-347-4261):

      “Because in him in intention everything was originally created by God, in heaven and on earth.”

      “We must render ‘in [en] him’ as ‘because of’ in Col. 1:16” (Nigel Turner, A Grammar of NT Greek, Vol. 3, p.253).
      Dr. James Dunn translates “in him in intention” (Christology in the Making, p. 190).

      Jesus was not the Creator of heaven and earth. He never claimed that, and he knew of Isaiah 44:24: Jehovah made everything alone and unaccompanied.

      “Thus saith Jehovah, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb: I am Jehovah, that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth (who is with me?);” (Isaiah 44:24 ASV)

      John believing Jesus is the solution to the curse of death, opening the gates to Kingdom of God as the Way to God, and not as God himself, sees in Jesus the special man bringing salvation and life. By him we can step out of the darkness, coming into the light of the new world. Jesus being the door or gate by which we can enter in God’s Kingdom, after Jesus has come to judge the living and the dead.

      “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6 ASV)

      “I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and go out, and shall find pasture.” (John 10:9 ASV)

      “through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” (Romans 5:2 ASV)

      “for through him we both have our access in one Spirit unto the Father.” (Ephesians 2:18 ASV)

      “by the way which he dedicated for us, a new and living way, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;” (Hebrews 10:20 ASV)

      Jesus is the one by whom we can come to God, not himself being God, but being the sent one from God.

      “and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:17 ASV)

      “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:16 ASV)

      “Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father doing: for what things soever he doeth, these the Son also doeth in like manner.” (John 5:19 ASV)

      “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me.” (John 8:42 ASV)

      From the Bible texts, which we conceder the infallible Word of God you should come to understand that Jesus is the given one by God and not God coming to earth faking that He would be tempted (because God cannot be tempted) or faking His death (because God cannot die, being an eternal Spirit, not having flesh, bones nor blood — all things Jesus had).

      John explains that the word or the speaking of God brought us Jesus and that Jesus was under them

      “So the Word became flesh and resided among us [as the Lord Jesus Christ], and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father.” (#Joh 1:14)

      By becoming flesh, the Word became visible whilst no man can see God and live, but Jesus was seen by many who staid alive and even came to life again.

      “And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for man shall not see me and live.” (Exodus 33:20 ASV)

      “He was not the light, but [came] that he might bear witness of the light.” (John 1:8 ASV)

      “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24 ASV)

      Jesus after he was resurrected by God showed his disciples his wounds to proof he was no spirit at all. In case he would have been God he would be a spirit, but worse than he would know everything though he told he knew several things not and then would have lied (though we are told that Jesus was without sin and also that God does not tell lies and can not sin).

      Though the scriptures indicate clearly that God declared Jesus not to be Him having come down to earth, but to be His only begotten beloved son.

      “and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:17 ASV)

      “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:16 ASV)

      “30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God. 31 And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:30-35 ASV)

      “3 So we also, when we were children, were held in bondage under the rudiments of the world: 4 but when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 that he might redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 So that thou art no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.” (Galatians 4:3-7 ASV)

      “21 Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that, Jesus also having been baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily form, as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself, when he began [to teach], was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the [son] of Heli,” (Luke 3:21-23 ASV)

      Jesus also was placed on earth to declare his heavenly Father and to be a visible and hearable, feelable witnesses and presenter of God’s Power on earth. In this way men of flesh could have direct contact and association with “the word of life,” which, John says,

      “was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have viewed attentively and our hands felt.”  —  (#1Jo 1:1-3).

      The glorified Lord Jesus Christ continues to carry the title “the Word,” as noted in (#Re 19:11-16). There in a vision of heaven John says he saw a white horse whose rider was called “Faithful and True,” “The Word of God”; and “upon his outer garment, even upon his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.”

      Why God’s Son is called “the Word.”?

      A title often describes the function served or the duty performed by the bearer. So it was with the title Kal-Hatzé, meaning

      “the voice or word of the king,”

      that was given an Abyssinian officer. Based on his travels from 1768 to 1773, James Bruce describes the duties of the Kal-Hatzé as follows. He stood by a window covered with a curtain through which, unseen inside, the king spoke to this officer. He then conveyed the message to the persons or party concerned. Thus the Kal-Hatzé acted as the word or voice of the Abyssinian king.  —  Travels to Discover the Source of the Nile, London, 1790, Vol. III, p. 265; Vol. IV, p. 76.

      Recall, too, that God made Aaron the word or “mouth” of Moses, saying:

      “He must speak for you to the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God to him.”  —  (#Ex 4:16).

      In a similar way God’s firstborn son doubtless served as the Mouth, or Spokesman, for his Father, the great King of Eternity. He was God’s Word of communication for conveying information and instructions to the Creator’s other spirit and human sons. It is reasonable to think that prior to Jesus’ coming to earth, on many of the occasions when God communicated with humans he used the Word as his angelic mouthpiece. (#Ge 16:7-11; 22:11; 31:11; Ex 3:2-5; Jg 2:1-4; 6:11,12; 13:3) Since the angel that guided the Israelites through the wilderness had ‘Jehovah’s name within him,’ he may have been God’s Son, the Word. (#Ex 23:20-23)

      Jesus knew very well he could do nothing without the only One God Who is much grater than him.

      “But we behold him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, [even] Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of death for every [man].” (Hebrews 2:9 ASV)

      “Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same; that through death he might bring to nought him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;” (Hebrews 2:14 ASV)

      “Wherefore it behooved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.” (Hebrews 2:17 ASV)

      “17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh even until now, and I work. 18 For this cause therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only brake the sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God. 19 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father doing: for what things soever he doeth, these the Son also doeth in like manner. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that himself doeth: and greater works than these will he show him, that ye may marvel. 21 For as the Father raiseth the dead and giveth them life, even so the Son also giveth life to whom he will. 22 For neither doth the Father judge any man, but he hath given all judgment unto the Son; 23 that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father that sent him. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself: 27 and he gave him authority to execute judgment, because he is a son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, 29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. 30 I can of myself do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is righteous; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 31 ¶ If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32 It is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33 Ye have sent unto John, and he hath borne witness unto the truth. 34 But the witness which I receive is not from man: howbeit I say these things, that ye may be saved. 35 He was the lamp that burneth and shineth; and ye were willing to rejoice for a season in his light. 36 But the witness which I have is greater than [that of] John; for the works which the Father hath given me to accomplish, the very works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.” (John 5:17-36 ASV)

      “Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me.” (John 8:42 ASV)

      “27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be fearful. 28 ¶ Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe. 30 I will no more speak much with you, for the prince of the world cometh: and he hath nothing in me; 31 but that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.” (John 14:27-31 ASV)

      “5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient [even] unto death, yea, the death of the cross.” (Philippians 2:5-8 ASV)

      “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Corinthians 11:3 ASV)

      “And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Corinthians 15:28 ASV)

      It are all the Words from God in the Holy Scriptures which we should take at heart and we do hope you shall come to see and understand who Jesus really is and what he has done for mankind. By not wanting to accept him as a son of man and son of God, being a man of flesh and blood, you ignore not only god His Words and Jesus his words, but also minimises that actions Jesus did take or how he managed to set his will aside for doing the Will of God (namely if Jesus is God he would always have done his own will and would also have known that man can do him nothing, because man can do nothing to God and God can not die, having always eternal life). Also by denying Jesus his sacrificial offering you take away the hope we can have as human beings that it is really possible for man to come out of the dead. On the other hand if Jesus would be really God as you want us to believe, than you make Him a very cruel God, having given mankind commandments He knew they would never be able to keep, as well not having solved the problem directly after the fall of Adam and Eve, punishing all those coming after Adam and Eve for something they did not do, plus still letting us suffer so much after He so called brought us the solution against death.

      Hopefully the text we gave as an answer can shed some more light and show you to look further to the connection with other Bible texts.

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  11. Christ’s two natures

    Jesus Christ played a role in the creation since the New Testament says that God made the world through (Greek: dia) Christ. The Greek word dia is used several times of Christ’s role as Creator of the universe (John 1:3; 1 Corinthians. 8:6; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2), the New Testament also states that the world came into being through (dia) God (Romans 11:36), specifically through (dia) the Father (Hebrews 2:10). The Greek word dia cannot be taken to indicate a secondary, lessor role.

    Though the New Testament teaches that the world was created “through” Christ, it also teaches that the world was created “through” the Father. Hence, Christ did not act as a junior partner in the creation of the universe.

    It is important to note that the scriptural teaching that only God is the Creator. God says in Isaiah 44:24: “I, the Lord [Yahweh], am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone”.

    The fact that Christ Himself is the Creator of “all things” (John 1:3) proves that Christ is God Almighty, just as the Father is.

    In Hebrews 2:9, Christ Jesus in His incarnation had two attributes: human attributes, and Divine attributes. The apostle Paul made this clear when he affirmed that in the incarnation Christ was “taking the very nature of a servant,” “being made in human likeness,” and “being found in appearance as a man” (Philippians 2:7,8)

    The incarnation of Jesus Christ involved not the subtraction of deity but the addition of humanity. So, in order to dwell among human beings, Christ made Himself nothing in the sense that He veiled His preincarnate glory, He submitted to a voluntary nonuse (without surrendering) of some of His divine attributes, and He condescended Himself by taking on a human nature. All this adds great significance to Hebrews 2:9 “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone. Clearly, this verse was cited from the vantage point of the incarnation.

    One of the most complex aspects of the relationship between Christ’s two natures is that, while the attributes of one nature are never attributed to the other, the attributes of both natures are properly attributed to His one person. Thus Christ at the same moment in time had what seem to be contradictory qualities. He was finite and yet infinite, weak and yet omnipotent, increasing in knowledge and yet omniscient, limited to being in one place at one time and yet omnipresent. In the incarnation, the person of Christ is the partaker of the attributes of both natures, so that whatever may be affirmed of either nature, human or divine, may be affirmed of the one person.

    Though Christ sometimes operated in the sphere of His humanity and in other cases in the sphere of His deity, in all cases what He did and what He was could be attributed to His one person. Even though Christ in His human nature knew hunger (Luke 4:2), weariness (John 4:6), and the need for sleep (Luke 8:23), in His divine nature He was also omniscient (John 2:24), omnipresent (John 1:48), and omnipotent (John 11). All of that was experienced by the one person of Jesus Christ.

    The Gospel accounts clearly show that at different times, Christ operated under the major influence of one or the other of His two natures. Indeed, He operated in the human sphere to the extent that it was necessary for Him to accomplish His earthly purpose as determined in the eternal plan of salvation. At the same time, He operated in the divine sphere to the extent that it was possible in the period of His humiliation (Philippians 2:6-9).

    Here is the key point: Both of Christ’s natures come into play in many events recorded in the Gospels. For example, Christ’s initial approach to the fig tree to pick and eat a fig to relieve His hunger reflected the natural ignorance of the human mind (Matthew 21:19a). (That is, in His humanity He did not know from a distance that there was no fruit on that tree.) But then He immediately revealed His divine omnipotence by causing the tree to wither (verse 19b).

    On another occasion, Jesus in His divine omniscience knew that His friend Lazarus had died, so He set off for Bethany (John 11:11). When Jesus arrived, He asked (in his humanness, without exercising omniscience) where Lazarus had be laid (verse 34). Robert Reymond notes that “as a God-man, [Jesus] is simultaneously omniscient as God (in company with the other persons of the Godhead) and ignorant of some things as man (in company with the other persons of the human race).” (Reymond, Jesus, Divine Messiah: The New Testament Witness, p. 80).

    All that helps to give a proper understanding of Jesus’ comment in Mark 13:32: “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone”. In this passage, Jesus was speaking from the vantage point of His humanity. Thus, as a human being Jesus was not omniscient but was limited in understanding just as all human beings are. If Jesus had been speaking from the perspective of His divinity. He wouldn’t have said the same thing.

    Bible scholar Thomas Schultz has provided an excellent summary of the massive evidence for Christ’s omniscience:

    First, He knows the inward thoughts and memories of man, an ability
    peculiar to God (1 Kings 8:39); Jeremiah 17:9-16). He saw the evil in
    the hearts of the scribes (Matthew 9:4); He knew beforehand those who
    would reject Him (John 10:64) and those who would follow Him (John 10:14).

    Second, Christ has a knowledge of other facts beyond the possible
    comprehension of any man. He knew just where the fish were in the water
    (Luke 5:4,6; John 21:6-11), and He knew just which fish contained the coin
    (Matthew 17:27). He knew future events (John 11:11; 18:4).

    Third, He possessed an inner knowledge of the Godhead showing the closest
    possible communion with God as well as perfect knowledge. He knows the
    Father as the Father knows Him (Matthew 11:27; John 7:29; 8:55).

    The fourth and consummating teaching of Scripture along this line is that
    Christ knows all things (John 16:30; 21:17), and that in Him are hidden all
    the treasures of wisdom and knowledge (Colossians 2:3). [Quoted in
    McDowell and Larson, Jesus: A Biblical Defense of His Deity (San Bernardino,
    CA: Here’s Life Publishers, Inc., 1975), p. 54.]

    Questions:
    • Can anyone do the things Christ did in these verses without having the attribute of omniscience?
    • Can anyone other than God have the attributes of omniscience?
    • Since Christ in the incarnations had both a human nature and a divine nature, and since Christ in His divine nature exercised His omniscience on numerous occasions in the Gospels, can you see how Jesus was speaking from His human nature when He said He didn’t know the day of the hour?

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    1. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, build on man’s doctrines and sharing the thoughts of other’s writings. It seems you forget that God is always unchangeable and not telling lies. There is also no reason why god would do as if He is Omniscient plus Omnipotent and an other not Omniscient not knowing many things people ask for some good answer, him than denying such good reply, leaving them in the dark.

      By Christ, you say it yourself “dia” creation can be. Not that he created but that by him it is possible that creation shall come to an end or fulfilment, which still has to happen, because now the creation is not yet how God wants it to be. We are still in the process of creation; Jesus being at the origin of the New World, in which people can make use of the Grace of salvation, given by Christ by his offering as a Lamb for God, as a payment or ransom for all sins. God would gain nothing by faking his death and this would only let us think by Him waiting for so many millennia to be a very cruel God, because still now He let us suffer, though He would have given us salvation?!?

      According to your saying and Thomas Schultz’ saying people who know the inward thoughts and memories of others have an ability
      peculiar to God (1 Kings 8:39); Jeremiah 17:9-16) and therefore would be God. We can see in other people also the evil and according to his and yours thinking that would be proof of us being God? Very strange conclusion.

      You also seem to forget that God declared Jesus to be His son and therefore it would be normal for Jesus to possess an inner knowledge of the Godhead showing the closest possible communion with God as well as perfect knowledge. Jesus, as an Essene and loving the most High God of Israel, having studied His Word and knowing God’s Word very well naturally came to know the Father as the Father knows him but also like the Father knows us, you and me, we all been written in the Book of life and death from the beginning of times, long before Abraham was born.

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    2. There is plainly an intended, and extended, parallel between the material creation of Gen_1:1-31 and spiritual creation of new men and women in Christ. Cp Col_1:15-18; Col_3:10; 2Co_5:17; 2Co_4:6; 1Pe_1:23; 1Co_8:6. “All things” refer to men and women: Joh_5:17; Joh_5:20-21; Joh_3:35; Joh_13:3; Joh_16:14-15; Joh_17:10; Col_1:16; Eph_3:9. Cp 1Co_8:6 : “To us there is but one God the Father, of whom are All Things (even we unto him), and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are All Things (even we through him).”

      There is also a punctuation problem here: should this relative clause [‘that (or what) has been made’] go with v 3 or with v 4? The earliest NT mss have no punctuation. Many of the later mss – which do have punctuation marks – place the equivalent of a period before this phrase, thus putting it with v 4. It has even been suggested that the editors of some later manuscripts introduced their own unusual punctuation to place this phrase (wrongly) at the end of v 3 (as it appears in most modern translations); and that this was done in a specific attempt to bolster the erroneous doctrine of the “Trinity” during the so-called “Arian controversy” of the 4th century – in other words, to suggest that Jesus Christ himself was the Creator (or was with the Creator) in Genesis.
      So the whole of these verses should probably read: “Through him (ie Christ himself) all things were made. Without him (Christ) nothing was made. What has been made was ‘life in him’, and that life was the light of men.” Read this way, it may be seen that John’s focus is unequivocally on the spiritual creation (‘life in him’) and not the earlier, physical, creation of Genesis.

      By the Word of God, i.e. His speaking all things were made, even Jesus who came to live many centuries after the first Adam, but was promised to him and his offset in the Garden of Eden. In John his opening he is apparently alluding to the creation recorded in genesis. But this creation was not accompanied by Christ, but by the ‘Logos’ the Speaking of God.

      “All things were made by him”—John is apparently alluding to the creation recorded in Genesis. God spoke, and it was done (e.g. “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.” Gen. 1:3. Notice another allusion—John 1:7, 8). But this creation was not accompanied by Christ, but by the “logos” of God. This is indicated by several passages:
      a. “By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.” “For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.” (Psa. 33:6, 9). See also Psa. 107:20; 147:15, 18, 19; Isa. 55:11.
      b. “ … by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water … But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” (2 Peter 3:5, 7).
      c. See also Hebrews 11:3 cf. Jeremiah 10:12, 13.5

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  12. The “I AM”s OF CHRIST

    By Dr. Henry M. Morris

    (Founder and President Emeritus of ICR)

    Those “Christians” who think of the Lord Jesus as just a great man who never really claimed to be God need to confront His amazing statement to the scribes and Pharisees there in Jerusalem when they were berating Him in the temple, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day,” He said. Then, when they questioned that assertion, He went on to insist that “Before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:56,58).

    This was such a bold claim to deity, that they immediately prepared to stone Him for what they thought was blasphemy. But He somehow “hid Himself,” (v. 59) and escaped.

    Of course, if He was not God, what He said was blasphemous, which was a capital crime under the Mosaic Law (Leviticus 24:16). He was actually claiming to be the God to whom Moses spoke at the burning bush, when he asked God what His name was, God had answered that His name was “I AM” (Exodus 3:14), that is, He is the God who is eternally self-existent, transcendent to time as well as to space and matter. And that was who Jesus was claiming to be!

    But what about His claim that He and Abraham had seen each other, and that Abraham rejoiced to see His day? Abraham’s time was centuries before that of even Moses.

    That claim probably was in reference to the very critical time when “the word of the LORD [that is, the pre-incarnate Christ] came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward” (Genesis 15:1).

    This was the very first of His great “I am” claims, as He promised to be both Protector and Provider to Abraham in a strange and hostile land.

    It is fascinating to note the frequency of such “I am” claims in the Bible after the first one, and how they occur in multiples of seven, a fact which seems possibly designed, not by the human authors, of course, but by the Holy Spirit who inspired them (that is, of course, assuming my own somewhat arbitrary countings are correct).

    For example, there are seven “I am”s in the Book of Genesis, the first being Genesis 15:1, as already noted. The second is in Genesis 15:7, where God, speaking to Abraham, said simply: “I am the LORD.” The Word, “LORD,” of course, is the Hebrew Yahweh (or Jehovah), and carries essentially the same meaning as “I Am,” or “The One Who Is.”

    Then, there are 21 (i.e., 3 x 7) “I am”s in the Book of Exodus, including the divine answer to Moses, already mentioned, “I AM THAT I AM” (Exodus 3:14).

    The wonderful Book of Psalms contains seven “I am”s that speak prophetically and sadly of the future sufferings of the incarnate Christ, These are:

    “I am a worm, and no man”
    (Psalm 22:6).

    “I am poor and needy”
    (Psalm 40:17).

    “I am . . . a stranger unto my bretheren”
    (Psalm 69:8).

    “I am full of heaviness”
    (Psalm 69:20).

    “I am poor and sorrowful”
    (Psalm 69:29).

    “I . . . am as a sparrow alone upon the house top”
    (Psalm 102:7).

    “I am withered like grass”
    (Psalm 102:11).

    These all occur in psalms that are specifically known to be Messianic psalms (thus referring to Christ) because they are quoted as such in the New Testament.

    The prophetical books abound in “I am” statements by the Lord. The second division of Isaiah, for example, (Isaiah 40-66) contains 35 such claims (7 x 5). The first is Isaiah 41:4. “I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am He.” The last is Isaiah 60:16. “I the LORD am thy Savior and by Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.” However the first division of Isaiah, which has a different than the second division, has no such “I am” statements.

    The Book of Ezekiel contains 70 of these great assertions (more than any other single book). Jeremiah contains 21 of these statements. Then, all the smaller prophetical books of the prophets have a total of 21 “I am”s. All told, the 17 prophetical books contain a total of 154 (22 x 7) of God’s great “I am” claims.

    The final such claim in the Old Testament is found in Malachi 3:6, in which God appropriately reminds everyone that “I am the LORD, I change not.” He is the great “I AM,” the self-existent God. We must remember always that our own personal Savior and Lord Jesus Christ has revealed to us that He Himself is that same great I AM.

    It is the Gospel of John, however, that the most beautiful and personally meaningful “I am”s are found. There are seven of these, as follows:

    “I am the bread of life”
    (John 6:35,48,51).

    “I am the light of the world”
    (John 8:12).

    “I am the door of the sheep”
    (John 10:7,9).

    “I am the good shepherd”
    (John 10:11,14).

    “I am the resurrection, and the life”
    (John 11:25).

    “I am the way, the truth, and the life”
    (John 14:6).

    “I am the true vine”
    (John 15:1,5).

    How anyone could hear or see these claims and then still deny that they were claims to deity is a great mystery. For example, how could anyone except God Himself claim to be the way, the truth, and the life?

    Well, maybe a madman might make such a claim, or maybe a gross scam artist of some kind. But no honest, sane person could ever do so, unless the claim were true!

    That is the choice. Either Jesus Christ was mad or wicked, or else He truly is the way, the truth, and the life. He is the one way reach God, the incarnate truth about God, and the only real giver of eternal life with God. One will come to the same conclusion as he examines each of these seven great “I Am” claims.

    The Lord Jesus Christ is “very God of very God,” as the old creeds expressed it. God “created all things by Jesus Christ” (Ephesians 3:9) and it is “in Him we live, and move, and have our being” (Acts 17:28). Furthermore, it is He who has “made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself” (Colossians 1:20).

    Look also at the remarkable claim in John 11:25-26: “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.”

    Death has always been man’s great enemy. It always seems a great tragedy and sorrow when a loved one dies, and people generally try to stay alive as long as possible. But Jesus claims to be able to restore one’s life even after he dies, and then to keep him alive forever! What a preposterous claim for any mortal man to make!

    Yet He demonstrated His ability to do just that when He Himself defeated death, rising bodily from the grave on the third day. After all, He is the I AM, the self-existent One! Therefore He is fully able to make good on His promise to those who come to Him for forgiveness and salvation. “Because I live, He says, “ye shall live also” (John 14:19).

    There are also seven great “I am” statements in the Book of Revelation, and one of the key verses of this set has to do with His resurrection. “I am He that liveth, and was dead: and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen, and have the keys of hell and of death” (Revelation 1:18).

    “Believest thou this?” He would ask today, just as He asked Martha long ago as she was grieving over the death of her brother, Lazarus (John 11:26). How could anyone doubt the overwhelming evidence of Christ’s victory over death (the evidence of the empty tomb, the many post-resurrection appearances, the transformation of the disciples, the testimony of 2000 years of hosts of lives also transformed through faith in Him)? Many have believed, of course, but there are multitudes who have not, and for them there is the dread prospect awaiting them of an eternity without God. “If ye believe not that I am He [but “He” is not in the original; Jesus just said, ‘I am’ ], ye shall die in your sins” (John 8:24).

    It is significant that the other six “I am”s in Revelation also stress His eternal existence, from eternity to eternity. Note the list below:

    “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending”
    (Revelation 1:8).

    “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last”
    (Revelation 1:11).

    “Fear not; I am the first and the last”
    (Revelation 1:17).

    “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end”
    (Revelation 21:6).

    “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last”
    (Revelation 22:13).

    “I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star”
    (Revelation 22:16).

    Our glorious Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to whom we have trusted our eternal souls, is more than just a great religious teacher who was martyred for His faith long ago. He is alive on His throne in heaven, having defeated death forever. He was our great Creator, our sin-bearing Savior and will be our eternal Lord and King.

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    1. Dear Sir, thank you very much for your lengthy reaction to one of our writings.

      In several other articles we give answers to your wrong assumptions and your taking once a person says “I Am” he must be God and as such has the many replying to a telephone call or to the question “Are you so and so?” or “Is it you?” that they would be God.

      Jesus said “I Am” and Not “I Am that I Am” or “I Am Who Is”. in your reaction you are putting words of God into the mouth of Christ, in a way to proof Jesus ifs God … it only proofs what God said. you also speak about an incarnation, something which is an abomination in the eyes of God. You also make a liar of Gdo, because God lets us know He is an eternal Spirit, having no bones, no flesh and blood and says man can not see Him and live, though many saw Christ and kept alive even some did come back to life. God also said about Jesus that he is His only begotten son, which than also would be a lie when He Himself would be Jesus. Also we are told that God is omniscient and omnipotent and cannot be tempted nor that man can do anything to god Who cannot die. Jesus was born, had to learn everything and when he died did still not know a lot of things or said he did not know (when He would have been God than once again he would have told lies). Jesus was tempted more than once, was bullied and tortured even until death took over him. You taking Jesus as God take away the hope we may have that a man can be resurrected from the dead. You also ridicule the death of Jesus, because when Jesus is God he knew man or death can do Him nothing, and then He also did fake His temptation, suffering, death and resurrection. You also make a very cruel God of God when Jesus would be God, because He did not solve the matter straight ahead in the Garden of Eden, and after He faked His death He still let mankind suffer so much.

      Please do remember many people can says litanies of “I Am’s” but therefore they are not God. One of the important “I Am’s” you seem to forget, namely that Jesus said “I Am the Way to God” and an other “I Am the doorway”. Plus you seem to forget that he always pointed to his heavenly Father Who is the only One True God, to Whom we should give worship and pray to, and not to him who is not as great as God by Whom Jesus only could do the things he was authorised for and by The Almighty, His heavenly Father (= not himself).

      Please come to read the words of the Bible like they are written and find more explanation to many texts you quoted but either took out of context or from the wrong mouth speaking.

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