Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #15 Exposition before the Creator

Posted on February 11, 2014. Filed under: Jehovah יהוה YHWH JHVH God Elohim Yahweh Jahweh, Jesus Christ Jeshua the Messiah Jahushua, Kingdom of God, Manners and Association, Satan and Evil | Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , |

Exposition before the Creator

Our prayer life leaves us entirely exposed before that Creator whose name is to be hallowed. We reverence His name, ask for him to come, plead for help physically, and acknowledge our desperate inadequacies.

We should be hoping that Jehovah God reveals Himself to us so that we get to know exactly who God is. Our hope should be that Jehovah His name may be honoured and that His kingdom may come, and His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. (Matthew 6:9-10)

JEHOVAH William Blake Works

Jehovah the Name to be hallowed – William Blake Works (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

We also should acknowledge that the Kingdom, the power, and the glory are forever of God. (Matthew 6:13; 1 Chronicles 29:11; Daniel 4:30; Daniel 4:34.) The “greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty the riches and honour the power and might” of Jehovah should be things we look at. For He is the One who has all the right to decide everything and to reign the whole universe.

“(13) ‘And do not lead us into trial, {1} but deliver us from the wicked one – because Yours is the reign and the power and the esteem, forever. Amĕn.’ {Footnote: 1 See 26:41.} (Matthew 6:13 The Scriptures 1998+)

“(11) “Yours, O יהוה {Jehovah}, is the greatness, the power and the comeliness, the pre-eminence and the excellency, because of all that is in the heavens and in the earth. Yours is the reign, O יהוה {Jehovah}, and You are exalted as head above all.” (1 Chronicles 29:11 The Scriptures 1998+)

In our daily works and in our prayer we should recognise that all things that are in heaven and earth are the work of God His Hands, and that to Him belongs the ruling over everything.

In our prayer we should show thankfulness by giving thanks and expression of the infinite perfections of God, looking in esteem for God in His unspeakable grandeur, His universal dominion, His absolute ownership. Showing preparedness to come to God in His covenant relation. Recognising God in His goodness to men.

In our prayers it is not bad to show our awareness of the peculiar relations of man to the infinite God and giving expression of our dependent creature, dependent for substance to give, dependent for the disposition to give it and therefore indebted to God for all things.

Knowing that we are just short-lived creatures dependant on the Will of God to let us stay alive or to come into the Kingdom of God we can express our hope to be moulded or made by God so that we may be worthy to enter that Kingdom of God.

Man’s conduct is observed by God. He is our Father, and thus desires to give good gifts to his children (Matt. 7:11), and he is in heaven, and thus has the authority to do so (2 Chronicles 20:6; Psalm 115:3). We are to worship our Father every time we pray. He is holy, and we should recognize it. We should also pray that His perfect will be done as He brings His kingdom into this world. “Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as in heaven” is not a denial that Jesus has brought God’s kingdom into the world, but it is rather a request that God His kingdom would come in its fullness, so that earth and heaven would of one accord do all things to the praise of his glorious grace.

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Daily bakery products

“Give us this day our daily bread” is recognition that only God can provide our daily needs. It is also a demonstration of trust, putting our hope on Him as the only One who can provide the necessary things for us.

Looking at the birds and animals around us we know that we should not worry so much for what the future may bring for us. But in our prayer we let God know that we are willing to give ourselves in His Hands so that He can take care of us and provide those things which are good for us. We trust that God will provide for our needs one day at a time (Luke 12:27-31).

A condition often forgotten about prayer is the willingness to admit that we are sometimes useless people. In prayer we should come up to the Father and admit the things we have done wrong. Our conscience may prompt us to confess our sins and shortcomings that there would be no insulation between us and God. For all those things we have done wrong we should show regret and ask for forgiveness. But we ourselves should also be forgiving others. That is not always easy and therefore we can ask God to help us to take on the right attitude to others.

To be able to forgive others we often do need to put our own ego aside. This might be one of the biggest challenges God set before his children. Jehovah teaches us that we should be submissive to His will and we have the natural desire to be selfish which makes that a great challenge for us to overcome. God also wants all of us to love one another unconditionally, to be as the children of God he designed us to be. He put the challenges of different colours, languages, culture and even religious beliefs between us in order to teach us how to love one another in an unconditional manner. Without challenges for the human spirit there is no growth or change. He wishes for us to grow both mentally and spiritually. He demands that we deal with our Ego or the self in the right way. He also wants that we get to know ourselves and that we shall want to see our own faults, even more than we see the faults of others. In case we see the wrong in others we should not only try to overcome them, but we should forgive their trespasses. We don’t deserve forgiveness, yet our Father forgives us when we confess our sins. So also, we must forgive, for we have been much forgiven.

Temptation - Female Slender Legs And Red Panties

Temptation – Female Slender Legs And Red Panties

There are lots of evil, wicked words and wicked works in the world and we often are confronted with it. We have to endure many temptations and facing many problems it does not make live always easy. Therefore we can ask help from God, so that He can provide us with the means to conquer those difficulties. Every day we do hope we can face the world and keep looking forward to gaining all riches of the full assurance of understanding, that we may know the mystery of God, both of YHWH, Jehovah the Father and of Messiah, in whom are all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge hidden. (Colossians 2:2-3)

We should ask God to lead us not into temptation, but to deliver us from evil.

“(13) ‘And do not lead us into trial, {1} but deliver us from the wicked one – because Yours is the reign and the power and the esteem, forever. Amĕn.’ {Footnote: 1 See 26:41.}” (Mat 6:13 The Scriptures 1998+)

“(4) who gave Himself for our sins, to deliver us out of this present wicked age, according to the desire of our Elohim and Father,” (Galatians 1:4 The Scriptures 1998+)

“(19) “When anyone hears the word of the reign, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is that sown by the wayside.” (Matthew 13:19 The Scriptures 1998+)

“(38) And the field is the world. And the good seed, these are the sons of the reign, but the darnel are the sons of the wicked one,” (Matthew 13:38 The Scriptures 1998+)

“(8) See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world,{1} and not according to Messiah. {Footnote: 1 See v. 20, and Gal. 4:3 & 9.}” (Colossians 2:8 The Scriptures 1998+)

Sin- Love Triangle

Sin- Love Triangle

Facing all evil we know that the true life can only be a life for God and in God. In our prayer we can show God that we understand that our life to and in God is only possible in Christ. For however noble and clear a plan God in law and providence may set before us, still sin can prevent us following the plan. It is not because we are baptised that we would not be able to be tempted or not go wrong. Every day we do have to work at ourselves and proof before God that we can stay on the right track. In our prayers we can ask God to help us to stay on that right strait path to the small gate to enter the Kingdom of God.

Even when baptised we still can do many faults and therefore we must have the forgiveness of sin, the promise of the Holy Spirit, the assurance of a Divine grace strong enough to conquer sin, of a power surrounding our life and keeping us close to God, in spite of all our weakness and all our sin; and this we can only have in a personal relation of faith to Christ our Saviour and to the most Holy father of Christ, who is also our Father in heaven.

We have received the Grace of God by Jeshua the Messiah. We should let our moral life in Christ Jesus be in harmony with the teaching through which we received him as lord; being firmly rooted and built up in him, established in faith as we were taught, abounding in thankfulness. In our prayers we may ask Jehovah God to let no one lead us away as his prey by any empty sham that he may recommend as ‘philosophy’ drawn from human tradition, with the elemental spirits of the world and not Christ for its content. And that brings us to the last conditions of prayer, namely that we may not mix our prayers with traditions which are not according to God His Laws and Regulations. We may not pray to death people or go to witches or wicked people, or join celebrations for false gods. This makes it so important that we should be careful also wit so called traditional ‘Christian’ festivals like Christmas and Easter which are finding their origin in heathen festivals. As good Christians we better take distance of such feast and keep to the festivals installed by God.

Every time we pray we should consider that it is in the right place at the right time, that we use words which come from our heart and are well meant. Best each prayer session includes every aspect of what a healthy prayer looks like: Adoration, Confession, Thanksgiving, and Supplication.

The Lord's Prayer (1886-1896) from the series ...

Jesus learned his disciples to pray like we should do, saying to the God of Abraham and the God of Jesus: “Our Father”

Jehovah God provided a Saviour, Jeshua, Jesus Christ, the Messiah, who now sits at the right hand of God to be our “mediator” to “represent” us in front of his Holy Father, the Only One True God. As we pray we should ask God to listen to our prayers in Jesus his name. To our Father we give notice that we would like to have Jesus as the best “mediator” and that we have put trust in the works Jesus has done for us. When we say “In Jesus name I pray” We’re asking Jesus to mediate with God for us, to represent us! It is showing to Jesus that we accept his offering and to God that we are thankful that Jehovah wanted to take Jesus his flesh and blood, for our sin as a payment, a ransom forever.

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Preceding articles:

Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #11 Prayer #9 Making the Name Holy

Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #12 Prayer #10 Talk to A Friend

Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #13 Prayer #11 Name to be set apart

Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #14 Prayer #12 The other name

Next: Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #16 Benefits of praying

Dutch version / Nederlandse versie: Vertrouwen, Geloof, Roepen en Toeschrijving aan Jehovah #15 Expositie voor de Schepper

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Additional reading:

  1. Kingdom of God what will it be like
  2. Faith and works
  3. If your difficulties are longstanding, try kneeling
  4. Be Honest
  5. Receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken
  6. Give thanks to the One Who gave much
  7. Praise the God with His Name
  8. Praise and give thanks to God the Most Highest
  9. Worship and worshipping
  10. Self-development, self-control, meditation, beliefs and spirituality
  11. By counting our blessings we not only feel good, but we multiply our good
  12. Faith and works
  13. Christmas customs – Are They Christian?
  14. A Living Faith #7 Prayer
  15. Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #5 Prayer #1 Listening Sovereign Maker
  16. Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #7 Prayer #5 Listening Ear
  17. Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #8 Prayer #6 Communication and manifestation
  18. Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #10 Prayer #8 Condition
  19. Continuing Paul’s Prayer Requests
  20. Holiness and expression of worship coming from inside
  21. Worship and worshipping
  22. Listening and Praying to the Father
  23. Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God
  24. Only worhsip the Creator of all things
  25. Jesus begotten Son of God #16 Prophet to be heard
  26. Jesus begotten Son of God #14 Beloved Preminent Son and Mediator originating in Mary
  27. Ransom for all
  28. Promise of Comforter
  29. Does God answer prayer?
  30. Disappointed with God
  31. Does God hear prayer?
  32. Does God answer prayer?
  33. God’s Salvation
  34. Sometimes we pray and pray and it seems like nothing happens.
  35. Disappointed with God
  36. God’s non answer
  37. Content with the “no” answer
  38. Praying For What We Want or Don’t Want
  39. God Helper and Deliverer
  40. Gods hope and our hope
  41. Gods design in the creation of the world
  42. Gods promises
  43. Gods salvation
  44. Gods measure not our measure
  45. Genuine prayer
  46. People who know how to pray to move God to take hold of our affairs in a mighty way
  47. Prayer has the power to change mountains into highways
  48. If you think you’re too small to be effective
  49. Tenderness and kindness are not signs of weakness and despair
  50. Give your worries to God
  51. Gods instruction about joy and suffering
  52. Prayer has comforted us in sorrow
  53. Rejoice even though bound to grieve
  54. God is my refuge and my fortress in Him I will trust
  55. Gods measure not our measure
  56. No good thing will he withhold
  57. The giving and protecting God
  58. Miracles in our time of suffering
  59. Suffering-through the apparent silence of God
  60. Suffering leading to joy
  61. Partakers of the sufferings
  62. Words from God about suffering
  63. Working of the hope
  64. Praise and give thanks to God the Most Highest
  65. Praise the most High Jehovah God above all
  66. Praise be to God
  67. Praise the God with His Name
  68. A remaining name
  69. Make a joyful noise unto Yahweh, rejoice, and sing praise unto Jehovah
  70. Give Thanks To God
  71. Give thanks to the One Who gave much
  72. Singing gift from God
  73. Being thankful
  74. ‘Hallowed Be Thy Name’ – What Name?
  75. Hanukkahgiving or Thanksgivvukah
  76. A Meaningful Thanksgivukkah
  77. Thanksgivukkah and Advent
  78. Thanksgiving wisdom: Why gratitude is good for your health
  79. My God
  80. If you want to go far in life
  81. Unconditional love
  82. Life and attitude of a Christian
  83. Our relationship with God, Jesus and each other
  84. Ask Grace to go forward
  85. Determine the drive
  86. God should be your hope

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Lord's Prayer in danish in the Pater Noster Ch...

Pater Noster = Our Father – Lord’s Prayer in Danish in the Pater Noster Chapel in Jerusalem (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

From other denominations:

  1. Understanding Faith For Our Salvation
  2. Importance of the only proper name of God
  3. Importance of God’s Only Personal Name
  4. Who Is Our Ruler?
  5. A Season of Giving Thanks
  6. Pause and Refresh
  7. Practicing Gratitude and Thankfulness
  8. As We Count Our Blessings (a Mom’s Memories post)
  9. Dirty.. Can I Ever Be Clean? (February 10, 2014)
  10. Christ Loves Us: Healthy Dialogue About The Sinner’s Prayer
  11. “Starting the race is just one thing…finishing it is another thing”
  12. ‘Worship’ as Used in Scripture
  13. Can I make God change? The point of intercessory prayer.
  14. What could make a person’s prayers unacceptable to God?
  15. What kind of prayers are heard by God?
  16. Why Should You Pray?
  17. Thy Kingdom Come and Thy Will Be Done – as it is done in Heaven – also upon this earth.
  18. How Should We Pray to God? Teach Us How to Pray You Must Pray This Way
  19. The Lord’s Prayer - Its Meaning for You
  20. Draw Close to God in Prayer
  21. 16 Thanksgiving Quotes About Gratitude and Grace
  22. The Power of Gratitude
  23. Giving Thanks Could Be Good for You
  24. Thanksgiving-Hanukkah overlap spurs thanks, angst

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  • Matthew 6:10 “Thy kingdom come and thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” (psalms91911.com)
    Jesus is telling us to ask God to manifest his kingdom here on earth, just like it is in heaven.  Why would he ask us to pray like that if he didn’t intend his kingdom to be placed here on earth?   Jesus did not say this to make the prayer sounded good, He used these precise word because that is exactly what he meant.
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    Transport yourself from this world and into the   presence of God in Spirit and imagine how it could be if God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit actually lived in you and within your spirit.
  • Our Father (pastorbenk.com)
    The Father you and I talk to does not have the limitations and weaknesses of our earthly father. God is never selfish, tired, distracted by other things, or too busy.
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    To pray, “Hallowed is thy name” is to pray with an awareness of who God is. We are praying to our Heavenly Father, who is the God who can meet every need in our lives.
  • A Relentless Cry (christinebrooksmartin.wordpress.com)
    We have permission to cry out relentlessly to God when we are hungry. He has promised to take care of us naturally because He is Jehovah-Jireh. He has promised to satiate us spiritually with the knowledge, understanding and wisdom of the bread of life… His scriptures. They instruct us with the principles to live this life on earth.
  • Submission (aninsightintomymind.wordpress.com)
    The Most High / The Rock of Ages / Jehovah Jireh / The list is endless
    You say you know Him, you say you’ve dined at His table
    Your cup runs over, yet your well is dry
    Your thirst to know the things of God is quenched
    But who are you asking why?
  • The Christian Statesman: Thy Kingdom Come (reformedchristianheritage.wordpress.com)
    There is a hesitancy, a timidity, and a cowardice with respect to this great truth that is to us both amazing and painful; a cowardice that cuts the sinews of the Church’s strength, and keeps back the day of her universal triumph. It is an absolute submission that Christianity demands; it knows neither truce nor compromise; it proclaims a war of absolute extermination against every opposing system, and will not rest in its aggressive career until all things are put under the feet of its exalted King. We must demand not only of every individual heart, absolute submission to the law of Christ–but to every institution, to every organization, ecclesiastical or civil, we must say, “Kiss the Son lest he be angry and ye perish from the way when his wrath is kindled but a little.” As Christians we mean to conquer the world; we mean that Christ shall be crowned Lord of all; we mean not only that the name of Jesus shall be known but that His authority shall be recognized as far as the course of the sun; and this purpose should not only be uppermost in the mind and heart of every Christian, but should be boldly proclaimed.
  • Morning Prayer 2.9.14: Fifth Sunday after the Epiphany (dailyoffice.org)
    God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who calls on the name of the Lord turn away from wickedness.”
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    Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved by him, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly explaining the word of truth. Avoid profane chatter, for it will lead people into more and more impiety, and their talk will spread like gangrene.
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    O God, the Father of all, whose Son commanded us to love our enemies: Lead them and us from prejudice to truth; deliver them and us from hatred, cruelty and revenge; and in your good time enable us all to stand reconciled before you; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
  • Is Our God Nameless? (jehovahswatchtower.wordpress.com)
    Most “Christians” of Christendom say that they love God and Jesus.
    They make a great show of going to church to worship them.How do we show our love for someone?Is it polite to call someone close to us “Hey you”?Just about everybody on the earth knows who Jesus is.

    Why do so few people know or care about what God’s name is?

  • Article of Faith: Seeing the Kingdom of God, by Femi Aribisala (naijaobserver.wordpress.com)
    One of those things I questioned was Jesus’ statement to his disciples that many of them would not die until they saw the kingdom of God. But, I thought, all his disciples are dead. According to church history, all but one was martyred. And yet, the kingdom of God has still not arrived. After all, the church is still following the prayer guide of the Lord, which says: “Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:10).
  • Prayer (calvarycollegeconnection.wordpress.com)
    what do you think about the order in which Jesus prays?  The order matters.
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    Jesus referred to God as “Abba”/Father (it showed an intimate knowledge of who God is).
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Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #14 Prayer #12 The other name

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The other name

To speak directly to the Son, in the manner of some churches, is not honouring to him, because he has instructed that we should approach the Father. On the other hand to ignore the Son in our approach to God is also not honouring to the Father, because it is recorded that “he that honoureth the Son honoureth the Father also.” We should respect the instruction of Jeshua/Jesus to direct our prayers to God in his name.

 

Latter-day Saints believe in the resurrected J...

Latter-day Saints believe in the resurrected Jesus Christ, as depicted in the Christus Statue in the North Visitors’ Center on Temple Square in Salt Lake City (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Christ came to draw away the thick veil which the inborn corruption of the human heart and the accumulated sins and falsehoods of centuries had interposed between man and God. We cannot enter into the Fatherly character of God without being animated by the same Spirit that animated His well-beloved Son, Jesus. The later books of the Holy Scriptures which we call the New Testament show us that we must become like Christ. We should also be willing not to do our own will, like Christ did not his own will, but the Will of God. Jeshua looked onto the others around him as his brothers and sisters. We too must be very brothers of Christ, if we would claim His Father as our Father. Our approach to God as a brother or sister in Christ and as such also as a child of God in that way testifies to the reality of our claim that we are ‘sons of God‘. No proper approach, no real son-ship, is possible without that “spirit” which lets us call the Most High CreatorOur Father“.

Accepting Christ Jesus to be the son of God, and not ‘god the son‘ we do give the full value to that Nazarene man who gave his life at the stake for the sins of many. By believing and accepting that he really gave his life for us and was made higher than angels by his Father and taken at God His right hand to become a mediator between men and God, we should know that it is in that position that Jesus as our ‘brother‘ also shall be able to speak for us. Jesus is the ground or basis of the security of the New Covenant, and as such we should trust in him as the best placed person to mediate for us.

(15) And because of this He is the Mediator of a renewed covenant, so that, death having taken place for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, those who are called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance. (Hebrews 9:15 The Scriptures 1998+)

Jesus had promised that God would send a helper and we could see that the apostles received that Holy Spirit. We can see that the Spirit-word is an advocate on earth, helping to prepare our case for preparation in heaven. However, that case, when prepared, must be presented through our heavenly advocate or mediator: the Lord Jesus Christ.

(1) First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made for all men, (2) for sovereigns and all those who are in authority, in order that we lead a calm and peaceable life in all reverence and seriousness. (3) For this is good and acceptable before Elohim our Saviour, (4) who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (5) For there is one Elohim,{1} and one Mediator between Elohim and men, the Man Messiah יהושע, {Footnote: 11 Cor. 8:6, Eph. 4:6, Mk. 12:29-34}. (6) who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be witnessed in its own seasons, (7) for which I was appointed a proclaimer and an emissary – I am speaking the truth in Messiah and not lying – a teacher of the gentiles in belief and truth. (8) So I resolve that the men pray everywhere, lifting up hands that are set-apart, without wrath and disputing. (1Ti 2:1-8 The Scriptures 1998+)

(1) For this Malkitseḏeq, sovereign of Shalĕm, priest of the Most High Elohim, who met Aḇraham returning from the slaughter of the sovereigns and blessed him, (2) to whom also Aḇraham gave a tenth part of all, his name being translated, indeed, first, ‘sovereign of righteousness,’ and then also sovereign of Shalĕm, that is, ‘sovereign of peace,’ (3) without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but having been made like the Son of Elohim, remains a priest for all time. (Hebrews 7:1-3 The Scriptures 1998+)

(14) For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood, (15) and this is clearer still, if another priest arises in the likeness of Malkitseḏeq, (16) who has become, not according to the Torah of fleshly command, but according to the power of an endless life, (17) for He does witness, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq.” (18) For there is indeed a setting aside of the former command because of its weakness and unprofitableness, (19) for the Torah perfected naught, but the bringing in of a better expectation, through which we draw near to Elohim. (20) And it was not without an oath! (21) For they indeed became priests without an oath, but He became Priest with an oath by Him who said to Him, “יהוה {Jehovah} has sworn and shall not regret, ‘You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq.’ ” (22) By as much as this יהושע {Jeshua} has become a guarantor of a better covenant. (23) And indeed, those that became priests were many, because they were prevented by death from continuing, (24) but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. (25) Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to Elohim through Him, ever living to make intercession for them.  (26)  For it was fitting that we should have such a High Priest – kind, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens, (27) who does not need, as those high priests, to offer up slaughter offerings day by day, first for His own sins and then for those of the people, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. (28) For the Torah appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath which came after the Torah, appoints the Son having been perfected forever. (Hebrews 7:14-28 The Scriptures 1998+)

(16) For where a covenant is, it is necessary for the death of the covenanted one to be established. (17) For a covenant over those dead is firm, since it is never valid while the covenanted one is living. (18) Therefore not even the first covenant was instituted without blood. (19) For when, according to Torah, every command had been spoken by Mosheh to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, (20) saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which Elohim commanded you.” (21) And in the same way he sprinkled with blood both the Tent and all the vessels of the service. (22) And, according to the Torah, almost all is cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. (23) It was necessary, then, that the copies of the heavenly ones should be cleansed with these, but the heavenly ones themselves with better slaughter offerings than these. (24) For Messiah has not entered into a Set-apart Place made by hand – figures of the true – but into the heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of Elohim on our behalf, (25) not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters into the Set-apart Place year by year with blood not his own. (26) For if so, He would have had to suffer often, since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the offering of Himself. (27) And as it awaits men to die once, and after this the judgment, (28) so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to those waiting for Him, unto deliverance. (Hebrews 9:16-28 The Scriptures 1998+)

We should believe that Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence, not of himself but of יהוה Jehovah God for us. (Hebrews 9:24).
Prayer, therefore, should be directed to the Father through the Son, who are in one spirit, i.e. of the same idea. Both are united like we also should be united with our parents and with our brethren and sisters.

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(10) “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak from Myself. But the Father who stays in Me does His works. (11) “Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, otherwise believe Me because of the works themselves. (12) “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he shall do also. And greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father. (13) “And whatever you ask in My Name, that I shall do, in order that the Father might be esteemed in the Son.  (14) “If you ask whatever in My Name, I shall do it. (15) “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands.{1} {Footnote: 1See Ex. 20:6, vv. 21&23, 1 John 5:2-3, 2 John v. 6.} (16) “And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever – (17) the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you. (John 14:10-17 The Scriptures 1998+)

(1) My little children, I write this to you, so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Intercessor with the Father, יהושע {Jeshua} Messiah, a righteous One. (2) And He Himself is an atoning offering for our sins, and not for ours only but also for all the world. (3) And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands.{1} {Footnote: 1See 3:6.} (4) The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (5) But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfected{1} in him. By this we know that we are in Him.{2} {Footnotes: 1Gen. 17:1, Ps. 119:1, Mt. 5:48. 2See 3:24.} (1John 2:1-5 The Scriptures 1998+)

We not only should come like יהושע Christ and try to become holy or set-apart. When we pray like Jesus did, we also should present our prayers to the person Jesus prayed to. Also other god-loving people addressed themselves to the Most High in the same manner Jesus did.

Notice the way in which the Father is addressed by men and women of faith:

“He that keepeth covenant and mercy with those that put their trust in Him;” “The Father of mercies;” “The Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob;” “The God of all comfort;” “The God of love and peace;” “The God of patience;” “Our Father Who art in heaven.”

Notice how the prayers of the ancients ascribe glory unto Jehovah the Creator, present their petitions unto Him, speak of His past acts of deliverance and power, submit to His direction and guidance.

But with Christ Jesus we do have the promise of God fulfilled and a Saviour in whose name we can ask things at his Father. And whatsoever we shall ask in Jesus his name, that will be done or brought to fulfilment by Jesus so that the Father may be glorified in the son. Therefore when we pray to Jehovah and ask Him things we firstly should use the Name of God (Jehovah) and then can use the name of the Messiah Jesus Christ (Jeshua) so that it will be done. Honouring the Name of the Most High we also should respect Jesus to be the son of God, the man who could sin but did not, and dare to ask Jehovah in the name of Jesus to come close to us and to make our wishes come true.

Though we know we are sinners we can trust that man who did not sin and whom God was willing to give a higher position in heaven, so that we now have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. (1 John 2:1).

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Preceding articles:

Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #11 Prayer #9 Making the Name Holy

Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #12 Prayer #10 Talk to A Friend

Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #13 Prayer #11 Name to be set apart

Next: Trusting, Faith, Calling and Ascribing to Jehovah #15 Exposition before the Creator

Dutch version / Nederlandse versie: Vertrouwen, Geloof, Roepen en Toeschrijving aan Jehovah #14 Gebed #12 De andere naam

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Find to read:

  1. Idolatry or idol worship
  2. Worship and worshipping
  3. Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God
  4. A God between many gods
  5. Only worship the Creator of all things
  6. Praise the God with His Name
  7. Jehovah Yahweh Gods Name
  8. Ascribe to the Lord the glory due his name
  9. Lord or Yahuwah, Yeshua or Yahushua
  10. Pluralis Majestatis in the Holy Scriptures
  11. The Christ, the anointed of God
  12. Jesus Messiah
  13. Jesus spitting image of his father
  14. Servant of his Father
  15. The radiance of God’s glory and the counsellor
  16. Christ having glory
  17. Promise of Comforter
  18. He has given us the Pneuma, the force, from Him
  19. The Immeasurable Grace bestowed on humanity
  20. OT prophesies and the NT fulfillment of them
  21. Gain Christ, trusting Jehovah
  22. Patriarch Abraham, Muslims, Christians and the son of God
  23. Parts of the body of Christ
  24. What part of the Body am I?
  25. The Church, Body of Christ and remnant Israel synonymous
  26. United people under Christ
  27. Holiness and expression of worship coming from inside
  28. Fruits of the spirit will prevent you from being either inactive or unfruitful
  29. Being Religious and Spiritual 7 Transcendence to become one
  30. Learn how to go out into the world and proclaim the Good News of the coming Kingdom
  31. Behold, My mother and My brothers!
  32. Patriarch Abraham, Muslims, Christians and the son of God
  33. Are Christians prepared to Rejoice in the Lord

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  • Loving Delay: God’s Glory and Love in Your Suffering (matgilbert.wordpress.com)
    You know that God’s love for you is uninhibited, unbound, and unmerited. You know that he loved you despite your deliberate rebellion against him in sending Christ Jesus to die for you. You know that God loves you because he adopted you; you are his child and he is your Father. You know he loves you as the Holy Spirit sanctifies you and reorients your desires toward Christ. And you know he loves you because in his preserving grace he wakes you up each morning saying, “I believe in Jesus.”
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    the end or purpose of Lazarus’ sickness is that God may be glorified in the glorification of Jesus Christ. When Jesus and his disciples finally arrived, Lazarus had been dead and in the tomb for four days. This is highly significant because of Jewish thought. At that time, there was a Jewish superstition that when someone died, the spirit of that person hovers over their body for up to three days, after which no resurrection or resuscitation would be possible. So, when Jesus arrives at Lazarus’ tomb after four days, there would be no question that any resurrection would be divine.
    (Cd remark: It is not the godhead of Christ or Jesus’ deity that is been demonstrated but it is the Father of Jesus His glory which has been on full display. Death does not have the last word. God has the last word but by Jesus it was made possible to come out of the dead.)
  • Evening Prayer 1.7.14: Tuesday after Epiphany (dailyoffice.org)
    O God, who by the leading of a star manifested your only Son to the peoples of the earth: Lead us, who know you now by faith, to your presence, where we may see your glory face to face; through Jesus Christ our Lord
  • Strangely enough in the article Denying Christ? the author himself (matthew24prophecy.wordpress.com) denies the position of Christ Jesus and minimises the deed Jesus presented to his Father, his and our God, Who is the only One True God, Creator of heaven and earth.
  • Also Why did God Become a Man? Part III- To Make us His Children (tableprepared.wordpress.com) does not want to recognise the full activity of God His son. He also does not seem to think God created us from the beginning or did not want to look at us as His children, because he considers God first had to become a human being before we could be children of God. By giving that impression it ridicules the power of God and would indicate God would be an unloving Father, preferring to let us suffer for ages before willing to take us and protect us as His children.
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    The Son is sent from the Father, he is from him; and according to this passage, we are now from him by our union with Christ.
  • A Prayer A Day – Seek Him, RIGHT NOW! While He May Be Found. 1/8/2014 (dailyprayerprayertogod.wordpress.com)
    We are in a time that all should be seeking the Lord.
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    I seek to be nearer, nearer, nearer my God to thee this day.  Yesterday is gone and I cannot retrieve it, tomorrow is not here and it is not promised to me, today as I hear your voice I will not harden my heart.  I will this day, right now walk in obedience.  I will this day, right now walk in faith.  I will this day, right now live holy.  I will this day, right now cast all sin away from me.  I will this day, right now seek your face Lord.  I will this day seek you Lord while you may be found.
  • Thank You Father! I Believe I Recieve (meditationtotransformation.wordpress.com)
    And Jesus, replying, said to them, Have faith in God [constantly].
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    And whenever I stand praying, if I have anything against anyone, I forgive him and let it drop ( I leave it, let it go), in order that You, Father, Who is in Heaven will forgive my failings and shortcomings and let them drop.  I will not cut off the power of Your favor and grace in my life, in Jesus Name.
  • The call to prayer (jeremycainbiblestudies.wordpress.com)
    My friends, don’t back away from the call to pray.  Don’t ignore that urgency just because the time is not right for you.  You may not understand what is happening somewhere else, in the natural or in the spirit realm, and your prayers are extremely vital in that moment.  Don’t resist that call to pray just because you don’t understand what needs prayer.  You would be very surprised to know that what may seem unimportant to you is priority to God.  It may have been for someone on the other side of the world, it could have been for your nation, it could have been for your coworker who is going through a hard time privately, or it could be for the person in the room next to you.
  • Finding Joy in Christ… (allysonswindell94.wordpress.com)
    It is so important to abide in Christ and put your joy in him alone. Once you rely on Christ for your joy, it comes easily, but once you rely on worldly things for that same level of joy, everything goes wrong. Initially things might seem better and all good but once something goes wrong, everything crumbles and you have nothing to fall on. If you fully trust Christ and rely on him for your joy, things will be good.
  • 34 Reasons why most Christians fail God By Pastor MI Israel ( excerpt) (miisrael.wordpress.com)
    Christianity has taken so many divergent meaning among Christian circles and the observing majority. Subsequent to the death of the first and early apostles of Jesus Christ, Christianity has undergone so many modifications and amendments, brokered by those who were threatened by its glory and felt that its teachings are unattainable or a restrain of their fleshly cravings.
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    Relationship with Christ was sacrificed for romance with religion and strengthening of the walls of denominational-ism averse with the ways and teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ. All these and more has been the cause of confusion, indifference and taking into liberties, posterity, subsequent to the early apostles in history, face in regards to the true definition of Christianity. They succeeded in making people to see God through the lens of denominational-ism, creed, human doctrine, sacraments and ceremonial rituals.
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    The word ‘Christ’/ ‘ian’ is a two syllable word coined from two different words: Christ and ‘ianos.’ The Greek suffix ‘ianos’ is applied mainly to bond slaves. It implies being an adherent of an individual or group. In a more simplified meaning, a Christian is an adherent and a slave of Christ. A Christian is any one Committed to follow Christ all the way through. If a ‘Christian’ is a follower of Jesus Christ, He must follow him in the right way as proffered by the Holy Scriptures via the Holy Spirit. Note carefully, religion was not present in the definition of Christianity. It did not say being an adherent of religion. If that’s true, it would have been ‘Religionian’ and not ‘Christian.’
  • Discover Jesus Christ – Part 4 (fromapreacher.wordpress.com)
    Just as Israel needed a conqueror (and found one in Joshua), we too need a conqueror.  We are much like Israel and Jesus is much  like Joshua.  In fact, their names mean the same thing, Jehovah Saves.  Israel needed leadership to gain freedom and Joshua provided it.  We need leadership to gain eternal freedom and Jesus provides it.

    Joshua and Jesus conquered the troublers of God’s people.  The original inhabitant of the promised land were immoral and ungodly. Joshua was commanded to drive them out.  Israel did not inhabit the land without a struggle.  But, God was with them.  Their obedience to Him resulted in success.  Disobedience resulted in failure.  Humanity needed help getting out of spiritual darkness.  There was no hope and they were without God (Ephesians 2:12).

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Sheol, Sheool, Sjeool, Hades, Hell, Grave, Tomb, Sepulchre

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Sheol (“Sheool”, “Sjeool”), Hades

Under the tags “graf” = “grave, tomb, sepulchre” you will find links to articles about the place to put away, stow away or store dead bodies, corpses or  cadavers. Under those words you shall be able to find more information about those “opbergplaatsen or “opbergruimten” storage areas/rooms or vaults as well on the places were those corpses are brought and been put in a burial pit or  brought to interment, entombment or sepulchre. The tomb, vault, crypt, sepulchre, burial chamber, monumental/memorial grave, monumental/memorial tomb, the burial place or resting place.

[Old English græf;  related to Old Frisian gref,  Old High German grab,  Old Slavonic grobǔ; ] (Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition )
O.E. græf  “grave, ditch,” from P.Gmc. *graban  (cf. O.S. graf,  O.Fris. gref,  O.H.G. grab  “grave, tomb;” O.N. gröf  “cave,” Goth. graba  “ditch”), from PIE base *ghrebh-/*ghrobh-  “to dig, to scratch, to scrape” (cf. O.C.S. grobu  “grave, tomb”); related to grafan  “to dig”). (Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper )
1150–1200;  ME sepulcre  < OF < L sepulcrum,  equiv. to sepul-  (var. stem of sepelīre  to bury) + -crum  n. suffix of place (Dictionary.com Unabridged )
tomb: 1225–75;  ME tumbe  < AF; OF tombe  < LL tumba  < Gk týmbos  burial mound; akin to L tumēre  to swell. (Dictionary.com Unabridged )
from Old French tombe,  from Late Latin tumba  burial mound, from Greek tumbos;  related to Latin tumēre  to swell, Middle Irish tomm  hill (Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition )
tomb

c.1275, from Anglo-Fr. tumbe,  O.Fr. tombe  (12c.), from L.L. tumba  (cf. It. tomba , Fr. tombe , Sp. tumba ), from Gk. tymbos  “burial mound, grave, tomb,” from PIE base *teu-  “to swell” (see thigh). The final -b  began to be silent 14c. (cf. lamb, dumb). A tombstone  (1565) originally was a horizontal stone covering a grave (or the lid of a stone coffin); meaning “gravestone, headstone” is attested from 1711.

(Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper )

sepulchre – a chamber that is used as a grave

chamber – a natural or artificial enclosed space
crypt – a cellar or vault or underground burial chamber (especially beneath a church)
tomb, grave – a place for the burial of a corpse (especially beneath the ground and marked by a tombstone); “he put flowers on his mother’s grave”
mausoleum – a large burial chamber, usually above ground
monument, repository – a burial vault (usually for some famous person)
burial vault, vault – a burial chamber (usually underground)
(Collins Thesaurus of the English Language)

catacomb, crypt, final resting place, last home, mausoleum, mound, permanent address, place of interment, resting place, sepulchre, shrine, six feet under, tomb, vault

boneyard, God’s acre, Golgotha, boot hill, catacomb, cemetery, charnel, charnel house, churchyard, city of the dead, crypt, eternal home, funerary grounds, garden, grave , graveyard, marble town, memorial park, mortuary, necropolis, ossuary, polyandrium, potter’s field, resting place, sepulcher, tomb, vault

Under the tag “graf” which stand for “sjeool” or “sheool” or “Sheol” you shall be able to find articles on any excavation made in the earth in which a dead body can be buried. Any place that becomes the receptacle of what is dead, lost, or past, the last place of interment; a tomb or sepulchre.
It is about a place for the burial of a corpse, which can be beneath the ground but also above the earth in a special build construction, a cavity in a mensa, a vault or mausoleum and usually marked by a tombstone.

The sepulchre is first mentioned in the Bible as the burialplace or grave purchased by Abraham for Sarah from Ephron the Hittite (Genesis 23:20). This was the “cave of the field of Machpelah,” where also Abraham and Rebekah and Jacob and Leah were burried (79:29-32). That place was considered as the unseen world: Hades and Sheool, were since the first sin entered the wold also death came by it and therefore every element of creation had to face death and decay without any difference between plant, animal or human. (Ecclesiastes 3:19,20) All had to go to that one place, the grave, to become dust again. (Genesis 3:19; Ecclesiastes 12:7) In Acts 7:16 it is said that Jacob was “laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem.” Moses, Elisha, King David were placed in a sepulchre. Kings (1 Kings 2:10) and prophets (1 Samuel 25:1) were generally buried within cities. Graves were generally grottoes or caves, natural or hewn out in rocks (Isaia 22:16; Matthew 27:60). There were family cemeteries (Genesis 47:29; 50:5; 2 Samuel 19:37). Public burial-places like gehenna outside Jerusalem, were assigned to the poor (Jeremia 26:23; 2 Kings 23:6). Graves were usually closed with stones, which were whitewashed, to warn strangers against contact with them (Matthew 23:27), which caused ceremonial pollution (Numeri 19:16). There were no graves in Jerusalem except those of the kings, and according to tradition that of the prophetess Huldah.
Joseph of Arimathea provided his own newly made sepulchre for use of Jesus from Nazareth (Matthew 27:57-60) who also went into the hell of death. 

In English there are less synonyms to be found for the word Sheol as in Dutch, and lots of people stick to the word “Hell” but taking it not as a place to bring the dead people to, but as a place of torture. This is an idea coming from imaginative thoughts of human people in previous times. Christians should stick to the Hebrew and Biblical thoughts, which is “the grave”.

Here you can find a list of Dutch translation words which are used for the Hebrew word “sheol” SHEOL () & of uncertain etymology (see Sheol, Critical View), from the Assyro-Babylonian loan-word, “Shu’alu, meaning “the place whither the dead are cited or bidden,” or “the place where the dead are ingathered.”, “synonym of “bor” (pit), “abaddon” and “shaḥat” (pit or destruction), and perhaps also of “tehom” (abyss), with the English translation if we could find one:

(“the cords of Sheol”)+ (“and the pains of Sheol”) = implying restraint or capture.

Clearly according texts in the Bible (see some quotes underneath):

Sheol is the place underneath in the earth where dead people are placed. For those people their live has come to an end, and they shall not be able to use anything from this world when they died. When one dies the brain stops working and the body comes to decay. They also shall not be able to think or speak or do anything in their grave or tomb. They will be in a stadium as before they were born, without any wisdom or possibility to consideration, because they will be without any thought. You can compare it with a deep sleep and is therefore also called: the sleep of the death. People can also say “they fell asleep” meaning their live ended, or “they died”.

Sheol was the place were dead bodies were either put into the ground or buried. Hades was the place underneath in the ground where the corpses found their last resort.

As such the Hebrew words Sheool and Hades got translated as: (in Dutch and English)

Graf: grave, tomb, sepulchre + een graf delven, een sheol make: to dig a grave; hij ligt in sheol/sheool/sjeool/hades: he is lying in his grave; he’s six foot under + opstaan uit sheool; uit het graf opstaan: arise from the grave

Sheool, Graf (begraafplaats): burial place, grave, tomb, sepulchre

English: Tomb within the churchyard of St Sepu...

English: Tomb within the churchyard of St Sepulchre without Newgate (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Sheool; laatste rustplaats: grave, resting-place

dodenrijk, onderwereld, hades: underworld, hades, shades, sheol

Iemand/iets/ een geheim in sheool nemen: to take some one/ some thing/ a secret  (with one) to the grave

begraafplaats: cemetry, graveyard, burial ground, memorial park; algemene begraafplaats: public cemetry

grafplaats:

grafakker:

Gods Akker, doden akker: (field of God), God’s acre, last resting-place of the dead

laatste rustplaats: last resting-place (of the dead)

Akker des Heren: (field of the Lord)

dodenakker: (field of the dead)

dodentempel: mortuary temple

Golghotha:

catacombe: catacomb

crypte: crypt

sarcofaag: (doodskist) sarcophagus: sarcophagus; (omhulsel): sarcophagus

sarcophaag (stenen opbergplaats), sarcophagus:  (stone) sarcophagus

doodskist: sarcophagus

bijzetplaats: (place for interment)

bijzetting: interment, burial

ter aarde bestelling:

grafruimte: commit to the earth, inhume, inter

begraven, ter aarde bestellen, sheool laten toebhoren / tot sheool geven: inhume

grafstede, qeber: (Hebrew qeber)

graftombe: tomb, sepulchre

grafkuil: burial pit

aardkuil: (pit in the earth)

pottenbank

familiegraf: family grave/tomb ; (grafkelder): family vault

erfgraf: (hereditary grave)

kindergraf: children’s grave

grafspelonk:

koepelgraf: beehive tomb

keldergraf:

familiekelder: (family vault)

grafgewelf: (vault tomb)

crypte: crypt

grafgang:

eregraf: (tomb of honour, mausoleum)

praalgraf: mausoleum

mausoleum: mausoleum

tempelgraf: mausoleum

tombe: tomb

eretombe: mausoleum

pantheon: pantheon

columbarium: columbarium

urneplaats:  (place for the urn)

urnemuur: (a wall for the urn)

reuzengraf: (a huge/giant grave/tomb) (mega grave/tomb) (monumental grave/tomb)

reuzenbed: dolmen, cromlech

dolmen: dolmen

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A megalithic structure in Vancouver – photo: Christoffer

hunnebed: megalith, megalithic tomb, megalithic monument, megalithic grave

grafheuvel, gadisj: (burial hill), tumulus; (Hebrew “gadisj”)

grafterp: grave mound, tumulus, barrow

tumulus: tumulus

langgraf: long barrow

(doden draagbaar/berrie/burrie/lamoen): barrow

piramide: piramid

konus:

grafmonument:

cenotaaf; cenotaphium: cenotaph

gedenkteken: cenotaphgrafzuil:

grafnaald:

grafsteen: gavestone, tombstone, headstone

tombesteen: tombstone

grafgesteente:

grafzerk: gravestone, tombstone, (gave/tomb) slab, ledger

herrinneringsgraf: (Greek “taphos”: tomb)

lijkgesteente:

grafnis: burial niche

grafplaat: memorial plaque/tablet, (groot = when big) memorial slab

graftablet: memorial tablet

grafbord,

gewijde grond: sacred ground

graftuin: (grave garden) (cemetry; graveyard)

begraafplaats: cemtry, graveyard, burial ground/place, memorial park,  (algemene/openbare begraafplatats): public cemetry

campo-santo:

knokelplaats, ossarium:

knekelhuis, beenderhuis, osuarium: ossuary

beenderurn, ossuarium: ossuary

beenderengrot, ossuarium: ossuary

beenderhoop:

ligplaats tussen vier planken:

ligplaats voor eeuwig: [(mooring(place) for ever]

laatste ankerplaats, laatste tolplaats, den dieperik, poort tot het eeuwig e (niets/leven), pierenkuil, put voor de gecrepeerden, put/kuil der ruste, bij de mieren zijn, plaats van ontbinding, lijkenstek, lijkenplaats,, knekelmansplaats, doodskistenplaats, kadaver plaats/ruimte,

aan de schoot der aarde toevertrouwen, onder de grond stoppen, in de put steken,een lijk bijzetten, lijken verbranden/verassen,

schimmenrijk: realm of spirits/ghosts, underworld, hades

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Bible quotes:

“”Ask the LORD your God for a sign, whether in the deepest depthsor in the highest heights.”” (Isaiah 7:11 NIV)“You went to Molech with olive oil and increased your perfumes. You sent your ambassadors far away; you descended to the graveitself!” (Isaiah 57:9 NIV)“Therefore no other trees by the waters are ever to tower proudly on high, lifting their tops above the thick foliage. No other trees so well-watered are ever to reach such a height; they are all destined for death, for the earth below, among mortal men, with those who go down to the pit.” (Ezekiel 31:14 NIV)“For great is your love towards me; you have delivered me from the depths of the grave.” (Psalms 86:13 NIV)“For a fire has been kindled by my wrath, one that burns to the realm of death below. It will devour the earth and its harvests and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.” (Deuteronomy 32:22 NIV)“I called on your name, O LORD, from the depths of the pit.” (Lamentations 3:55 NIV)

“then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below, as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you will not return or take your place in the land of the living.” (Ezekiel 26:20 NIV)

“”Elam is there, with all her hordes around her grave. All of them are slain, fallen by the sword. All who had spread terror in the land of the living went down uncircumcised to the earth below. They bear their shame with those who go down to the pit.” (Ezekiel 32:24 NIV)

“But little do they know that the dead are there, that her guests are in the depths of the grave.” (Proverbs 9:18 NIV)

“You went to Molech with olive oil and increased your perfumes. You sent your ambassadors far away; you descended to the grave itself!” (Isaiah 57:9 NIV)

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“But little do they know that the dead are there, that her guests are in the depths of the grave.” (Proverbs 9:18 NIV)

“”If only you would hide me in the grave and conceal me till your anger has passed! If only you would set me a time and then remember me!” (Job 14:13 NIV)

“They went down alive into the grave, with everything they owned; the earth closed over them, and they perished and were gone from the community.” (Numbers 16:33 NIV)

“When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing.” (Psalms 146:4 NIV)

No-one remembers you when he is dead. Who praises you from his grave?” (Psalms 6:5 NIV)

“When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people enquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?” (Isaiah 8:19 NIV)

“But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.” (Isaiah 26:19 NIV)

“For the grave cannot praise you, death cannot sing your praise; those who go down to the pit cannot hope for your faithfulness.” (Isaiah 38:18 NIV)

“10 Let no-one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practises divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.” (Deuteronomy 18:10-12 NIV)

“13 Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD, and even consulted a medium for guidance, 14 and did not enquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse.” (1 Chronicles 10:13-14 NIV)

“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5 NIV)

“Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.” (Ecclesiastes 9:10 NIV)

“19 Man’s fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return.” (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 NIV)

“It is not the dead who praise the LORD, those who go down to silence;” (Psalms 115:17 NIV)

“25 David said about him: “‘I saw the Lord always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. 26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will live in hope, 27 because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay.” (Acts 2:25-27 NIV)

“”For when David had served God’s purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his fathers and his body decayed.” (Acts 13:36 NIV)

“The cords of the grave coiled around me; the snares of death confronted me.” (2 Samuel 22:6 NIV)

“What man can live and not see death, or save himself from the power of the grave? Selah” (Psalms 89:48 NIV)

“18 For the grave cannot praise you, death cannot sing your praise; those who go down to the pit cannot hope for your faithfulness. 19 The living, the living—they praise you, as I am doing today; fathers tell their children about your faithfulness.” (Isaiah 38:18-19 NIV)

“7  Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? 8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.” (Psalms 139:7-8 NIV)

Death and Destruction lie open before the LORD—how much more the hearts of men!” (Proverbs 15:11 NIV)

“Though they dig down to the depths of the grave, from there my hand will take them. Though they climb up to the heavens, from there I will bring them down.” (Amos 9:2 NIV)

“Like sheep they are destined for the grave, and death will feed on them. The upright will rule over them in the morning; their forms will decay in the grave, far from their princely mansions.” (Psalms 49:14 NIV)

“Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay.” (Acts 2:31 NIV)

“The wicked return to the grave, all the nations that forget God.” (Psalms 9:17 NIV)

“8 The eye that now sees me will see me no longer; you will look for me, but I will be no more. 9 As a cloud vanishes and is gone, so he who goes down to the grave does not return.” (Job 7:8-9 NIV)

“Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned—” (Romans 5:12 NIV)

“For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.” (Romans 5:17 NIV)

“For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.” (Romans 5:19 NIV)

“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23 NIV)

“For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:22 NIV)

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  1. SHEOL – JewishEncyclopedia.com
    Hebrew word of uncertain etymology (see Sheol, Critical View), synonym of “bor” (pit), “abaddon” and “shaḥat” (pit or destruction), and perhaps also of “tehom”
  2. Dead and after
  3. Sheol or the grave
  4. Soul
  5. Destination of righteous
  6. Hellfire
  7. Immortality, eternality – onsterfelijkheid, eeuwigheid
  8. Dying or not
  9. Decomposition, decay – vergaan, afsterven, ontbinding
  10. Jesus three days in hell
  11. Fragments from the Book of Job #1: chapters 1-12
  12. Fragments from the Book of Job #2: chapters 12-20
  13. Fragments from the Book of Job #3: chapters 21-26
  14. Fragments from the Book of Job #4: chapters 27-31
  15. Fragments from the Book of Job #5: chapters 32-37
  16. Another way looking at a language #3 Abraham
  17. Fear and protection
  18. Fear of God reason to return to Holy Scriptures
  19. When Jesus was crucified, did he descend into hell for a period of time before rising again?
    The belief that Jesus descended into hell when he died is based on a misunderstanding of three Bible passages.  Here is one of them. Acts 2:25-27 (New English Translation): 25 For David says about him, ‘I saw the Lord always in front of me, for he is at my right hand so that I will [...]
  20. Will atheists go to hell?
    Most atheists are not going to be judged by God at all.  No one is judged by God unless they knew and believed his law, and still broke it:  Romans 4:15; 5:13;7:7; 1 John 3:4.  However, no one goes to ‘hell’, as it is popularly thought of.
  21. Who is the woman in the nether-world and why is she there?
    This question is based on Proverbs 5 from the JPS translation: Proverbs 5:3-5 (JPS) For the lips of a strange woman drop honey, and her mouth is smoother than oil; But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword. Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on the nether-world; [...]
  22. Where is hell?
    In the King James Version, the word hell occurs 54 times, but in almost every case it is a translation of one of three different words, each with its own meaning. So to understand hell, we really need to understand the original Hebrew and Greek words that are translated hell. These are: Sheol, Hades and [...]
  23. Can you be conscious and dead?
    No. According to the Bible, death is a state of unconciousness as a person turns to dust. This is stated repeatedly. Here are some examples. For in death there is no remembrance of you [God]; in Sheol who will give you praise? (Psalm 6:5) The dead do not praise the Lord, nor do any who [...]
  24. Sheol
  25. Sheol, the term in Hebrew means a grave or pit, was the place where the dead gathered, as thought by the early Hebrews, and was believed located beneath
  26. What is the fate of children who die?

 

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The attraction of doing something

Posted on September 28, 2012. Filed under: Being Christian, following Jesus Christ, Manners and Association | Tags: , , , , , , , , |

A herd animal prefers rather to do what it is not allowed

The popular television program ‘Ook getest op mensen” (“Also tested on people”) already showed how happy man is to behaviour as herd .
The Flemish broadcasting show did some tests which showed the viewers how people tend to take on the attitude of the group en hos they become more attracted to things which are forbidden.

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Smoking and socializing

Interestingly, the example people give is important. Parents who smoke get easier children to smoke, even though the parents are against it. Worse is that the herd feeling causes  children to smoke, copying the behaviour of adults, but that they also want to  encourage other children to join them to smoke. They feel that the others also should be involved in their action.

That is also what generally happens in the world with the incorrect behaviour in general. The group is always stronger than the individual and the weak drags along with it. It is striking that those who did not want to do the same as the group is accused of being the weaker, though he may be the stronger of them all.

It is the fear of not belonging to the group which sets people to behave like the group.

In an experiment with giving answers on obvious questions most people tended to give the same reply as the previous ones, notwithstanding they knew they were wrong answers.

In a test with a special fruit tree it showed that people just passed the tree when it was just standing there. Only three people form the 250passers-bys noticed the tree. But when a sign marking ‘Do not touch” was placed on the tree much more people were attracted to look at the tree and ten from the 250 touched the apple. Three women took the apple to eat it. so you could imagine what have might happened in the Garden of Eden when God demanded not to eat from the tree. By prohibiting it, it became more attractive. The one taking the fruit gave a bad example to the other, but this one did not want to go under for the first one.

That was clearly proven with a test by actors giving the wrong answer to obvious questions. When the test person had to give his answer, he or she mostly gave the same answer as the rest because they would not be different or did not want to give the group the impression they were wrong and he was the only person who could give an other but right answer.

In an other test they showed how people behaved in an elevator. They all wanted to look in the same direction as the majority, and the one placing himself in an other direction was considered to be an asocial person and not belonging to the group.

The popular scientific magazine proved how easily people can set to follow the mass and how themselves expect certain attitudes which are considered common practice. Any person not following common attitude becomes to be considered a stranger or some one who is not liked.

A herd of goats in Greece

A herd of goats in Greece (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

It is for this that Jesus and his apostles also warned us. They advised us not to follow the world but to follow our own hearts. They warned us to listen to our inner soul and to resist the herd instinct. We must dare to take distance from the world and dare to follow God, rather than the world in which many people want to feel at home.

As the test “Also tested on humans” showed the viewers men is easily influenced and would like to belong to the group. Men is also more likely to do something that is not allowed, then follow what he should do.

Here we can see how it can be proven scientifically how sin arises and how it is that man is attracted to sin so easily. But we also got proof of the importance of  the example people get and the function one can have in a community. As Christians, it is therefore all the more important that we ourselves follow the Laws of God and also show it to others.

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Do find:

Kuddedier doet liever wat het niet mag

The Flemish broadcasting channel “één“: Ook getest op mensen

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Condemnation of the World and Illustration of Justification

Posted on September 25, 2012. Filed under: Being Christian, following Jesus Christ, Bible Study and Bible Reading, Jesus Christ Jeshua the Messiah Jahushua, World | Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , |

Are we better off?

In the world we may find atheists, believers in all sorts of gods, and believers of all sorts of denominations in the one they call the Only One God.

Are those who think they believe in Jesus to be God, or those who think Jehovah being God the only righteous? They should know better, because according to the Gospel of the Apostles there is no one righteous, not even one, there is no one who understands, there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, together they have become worthless; there is no one who shows kindness, not even one.

Ruin and misery are in the paths of this contemporary world. A world where we can see that there is no fear of God.

Some may think the world is going ‘berserk’ because the Judeo-Christian world is not taken serious, as being the only civilisation able to bring forth inventions ans wealth. But they should be aware that God allowed all people to leave on this earth, and that many of them, also those who do not believe, are able to do good works, and able to think and handle the right way, because all men are created in the likeness of God.

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For no one is declared righteous before Him  by the works of the law,  for through the law comes  the knowledge of sin. And that should make us think more. Being aware what evil really  is. Believing in Christ or God does not make us a more important person than somebody who does not believe at all, or does believe something different than us. For there is no distinction, for all have sinnedand fall short of the glory of God.

English: Reading of the Torah, Aish Synagogue,...

English: Reading of the Torah, Aish Synagogue, Tel Aviv, Israel. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

But the good thing about accepting Christ and believing in all the works he and his Father did is that we can become justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Those who accepted Christ as their Saviour and are willing to read the Holy Scriptures, learning from them, may be blessed when they make work of it to live according those Words of God. Though we shall not be able to be without sin, our sins can be forgiven, when do have regret of what we did wrong and when we also can forgive those who sinned against us. Many their lawless deeds are forgiven, and many their sins are covered; blessed is the one against whom the Lord will never count  sin.

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Romans 3:1-4:25 The Scriptures 1998+

(1)  What then is the advantage of the Yehudor what is the value of the circumcision?
(2)  Much in every way! Because firstly indeed, that they were entrusted with the Words of Elohim.1 Footnote: 1See 2:20.

(3)  For what if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief nullify the trustworthiness of Elohim?
(4)  Let it not be! But let Elohim be true, and every man a liar, as it has been written, “That You should be declared right in Your words, and prevail in Your judging.”

(5)  But if our unrighteousness establishes the righteousness of Elohim, what shall we say? Is Elohim unrighteous who is inflicting wrath? I speak as a man.
(6)  Let it not be! Otherwise how shall Elohim judge the world?

(7)  For if the truth of Elohim has increased through my lie, to His esteem, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
(8)  And why not say, “Let us do evil so that the good might come”? – as we are wrongly accused and as some claim that we say. Their judgment is in the right.
(9)  What then? Are we better than they? Not at all, for we have previously accused both Yehudand Greeks that they are all under sin.

(10)  As it has been written, “There is none righteous, no, not one!
(11)  “There is no one who is understanding, there is none who is seeking Elohim.
(12)  “They all have turned aside, they have together become worthless. There is none who does good, no, not one.”
(13)  “Their throat is an open tomb, with their tongues they have deceived,” “The poison of adders is under their lips,”
(14)  “Whose mouth is filled with cursing and bitterness.”
(15)  “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
(16)  ruin and wretchedness are in their ways,
(17)  and the way of peace they have not known.”

(18)  “There is no fear of Elohim before their eyes.”

(19)  And we know that whatever the Torah says, it says to those who are in the Torah, so that every mouth might be stopped, and all the world come under judgment before Elohim.
(20)  Therefore by works of Torah no flesh shall be declared right before Him, for by the Torah is the knowledge of sin.1 Footnote: 1Ex. 20:20, Rom. 4:15, Rom. 7:7.

(21)  But now, apart from the Torah, a righteousness of Elohim has been revealed, being witnessed by the Torah and the Prophets,
(22)  and the righteousness of Elohim is through belief in יהושע Messiah to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference,
(23)  for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
(24)  being declared right, without paying, by His favour through the redemption which is in Messiah יהושע ,
(25)  whom Elohim set forth as an atonement, through belief in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His tolerance Elohim had passed over the sins that had taken place before,
(26)  to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He is righteous and declares righteous the one who has belief in יהושע .
(27)  Where, then, is the boasting? It is shut out. By what Torah? Of works? No, but by the Torah of belief.
(28)  For we reckon that a man is declared right by belief without works of Torah.
(29)  Or is He the Elohim of the Yehudonly, and not also of the gentiles? Yea, of the gentiles also,
(30)  since it is one Elohim who shall declare right the circumcised by belief and the uncircumcised through belief.

(31)  Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.1 Footnote: 1See 7:12.

(1)  What, then, shall we say Abour father, to have found, according to the flesh?
(2)  For if Abwas declared right by works, he has ground for boasting, but not before Elohim.
(3)  For what does the Scripture say? “Abbelieved Elohim, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.”1 Footnote: 1Gen. 15:6, Gen. 17:1 and 26:5.
(4)  And to him who is working, the reward is not reckoned as a favour but as a debt.
(5)  And to him who is not working but believes on Him who is declaring right the wicked, his belief is reckoned for righteousness,
(6)  even as Dawidalso says of the blessedness of the man to whom Elohim reckons righteousness without works:
(7)  “Blessed are those whose lawlessnesses are forgiven, and whose sins are covered,
(8)  blessed is the man to whom יהוה shall by no means reckon sin.”
(9)  Is this blessing then upon the circumcised only, or also upon the uncircumcised? For we affirm: Belief was reckoned unto Abfor righteousness.
(10)  How then was it reckoned? Being in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
(11)  And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the belief while in uncircumcision, for him to be a father of all those believing through uncircumcision, for righteousness to be reckoned to them also,
(12)  and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the belief which our father Abhad in uncircumcision.
(13)  For the promise that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abor to his seed through the Torah, but through a righteousness of belief.

(14)  For if those who are of the Torah are heirs, belief has been made useless, and the promise has been nullified,
(15)  for the Torah works out wrath, for where there is no Torah there is no transgression.

(16)  On account of this it is of belief, that it be according to favour, for the promise to be made certain to all the seed, not only to those who are of the Torah, but also to those who are of the belief of Abwho is father of us all –
(17)  as it has been written, “I have made you a father of many nations” – in the presence of Him whom he believed, even Elohim, who gives life to the dead and calls that which does not exist as existing,
(18)  who against all expectation did believe, in expectation, so that he should become father of many nations, according to what was said, “So shall your seed be.”

(19)  And not having grown weak in belief, he did not consider his own body, already dead, being about a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah’s womb,
(20)  he did not hesitate about the promise of Elohim through unbelief, but was strengthened in belief, giving esteem to Elohim,
(21)  and being completely persuaded that what He had promised He was also able to do.

(22)  Therefore also “it was reckoned to him for righteousness.”
(23)  And not because of him alone was it written that it was reckoned to him,
(24)  but also because of us, to whom it shall be reckoned, to us who believe in Him who raised up יהושע our Master from the dead,
(25)  who was delivered up because of our trespasses, and was raised for us to be declared right.

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Breaking up with a cult

Posted on September 21, 2012. Filed under: Being Christian, following Jesus Christ, Christendom and Christianity, News and Politics, Religion | Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , |

In “A plea to all media outlets re: ‘the Westboro cult’” Marty Duren gives us an idea how the attitude of some one who has been in a cult does not change easily.

He let his readers know on his blog mitsilancer that he has been a member of the “Westboro Baptist Church” (WBC), which is situated in Topeka, Kansas. This so called Baptist Church which has not much to do with the original Baptist Church nor with the later American Southern and other Baptist unions.

Cult-leader dies

This week the news came out about the death of Fred Waldron Phelps (1929-2012) who jJudging by the smell and decomposition of the body, officials from the coroner’s office say  Pastor Phelps’ probably died at least six months ago.  Because there wasn’t any sign of foul play this would mean that nobody of his church ever questioned why dey did not see their leader or why he did not preach to them for such a long time. It also proofs that it is or are other people who are in charge of his church and several companies. It also looks more that it is  Margie Phelps, daughter of Fred Phelps, who runs the Westboro Baptist Church.

Fred Phelps

Fred Phelps (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Not so surprising is that the investigators did find the pastor in front of his television still playing, and appeared to be “scrambled up 80s pornography.” From all the reactions he made and how he let his church members react on pornography and other sex related issues, we could finger out that this man was very obsessed and frustrated with sex, social and religious matters.

Davis Shields, one of the coroner officials on the scene said “I think I saw boob in there” . “But with this stuff, there’s really no way to be sure.”

Probably the members of the Westboro Baptist Church have been too busy with “all these funerals against all the fag-enablers,” like Jakob Phelps said that they were not able to take some time to visit their granddad. His grandson showed some signs of embarrassment and said “I was thinking that maybe we could sort of, prop him up and put some make-up on him to still make him look alive, like Weekend at Bernie’s.”

“Oh really? You want to put make-up on him? You must be a fag sent from hell,” said Phelps-Roper. “Get the hell out of here! God will punish you!”

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Despite some disagreement, most of the members of Westboro say they will be proud to “do the Lord’s work.” But like Louis Theroux showed already in his documentary series for the BBC, life is not as rosy and clear as it looks on first site.

Westboro Baptist Church members from Topeka, K...

Westboro Baptist Church members from Topeka, Kansas protesting in front of RFK Stadium located in Washington, D.C. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Louis Theroux, who has done several series of films on, among other subjects, various fringe groups in our culture like neo-Nazis, UFO believers, survivalists, etc. He lived with and filmed the Phelps family for “The Most Hated Family in America“, a 2007 BBC documentary, shown in many countries, on the Westboro Baptist Church. Mr. Theroux wrote an article about his time with the Phelps family for the Guardian newspaper and oddly enough, describes a family somewhat like the rest of us but whose head of the household holds some very strange beliefs which he has managed to instil in the rest of his relatives.

With the years there has been not always such unity in-between the family members; let alone the church goers.

When we see all those small kids having to picket and shouting ugly words, of which they do not understand the essence and about subjects of which they have no clue. When they would become older and starting to learn certain things at school and hearing other opinions they must become torn between many pushers and pullers, having to go into the battle on all camps.

Possibility of changes

Some think the death of Fred Phelps, apparently from natural causes, means the reasoning within the church could be shifting.

“I’m putting together a sign here for when we protest the demonic Fred Phelps fag,” said daughter Eleanor Phelps. “It says ‘Thank God For You Dying In Your Sleep’.”

Church members went on to show other signs they were preparing for future protests, including “Thank God For Car Crashes”, “God Punishes Fags With Diabetes”, and “Homo Sex = Cardiovascular Disease”.

It all does not fit a Christian.

Growing up with hate language

When somebody grows up with such hate language and with feelings against one or more groups in the society you can wonder how they shall be able to become part of that society and shall be able to work in that society.

The Westboro Baptist Church began picketing funerals in 1998 and initially targeted the funerals of individuals they believed to be homosexual. But the protests later expanded to other funerals and, starting in 2005, the church started protesting at the funerals of military soldiers who died in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We do not know how long Marty Duren has been a member of the WBC but clearly he has not unlearned the way of talking of those people. He clearly did not yet break out of the words they use, and has learned that he could reach something with throwing mud.

He calls the journalists and bloggers “cheats,” “word thieves” and “plagiarists”, and would like tht they hear to his voice and follow him. Though in the years it were many journalists and bloggers who pointed out to the dangers of this old man, they now become accused and at the same time Duren asks for their help, while they have always been on the brink of helping to open the eyes of those members of the WBC.

Having a name & Writers giving a name

He is surprised that a “Westboro Baptist Church” Google search returned thousands of stories from news outlets, but forgets that it was under that name the organisation of pastor Phelps worked and also wanted to be known as the voice of God. They always have said to be from the Old School (or, Primitive) Baptist Church. The press has always been open to listen to them and to their opponents and many have tried to give a fair picture of both parties. A lot of journalists and bloggers also kept neutrality and did not want to bring a verdict on that organisation , which presented itself as a church. several of the writers also did not want to pass sentence on one of the involved parties, but wanted to inform the public. Others gave their readers their opinion so that those could judge for themselves.

It was the WBC itself which presented, and still do, that they adhere to the teachings of the Bible, preach against all form of sin (e.g., fornication, adultery [including divorce and remarriage], sodomy), and insist that the sovereignty of God and the doctrines of grace be taught and expounded publicly to all men.  On one site there were the theological blogs and religious organisations and on the other site where those who had to inform the public of what was going on in the world. But all parties had to go on to press material given by the involved parties, and today that is also not different. We only can go on interviews, press material, and printed material given onto us by the different parties involved in the question we are looking at. All bloggers shall look at such material from their own point of vision. With bloggers it is possible you get a more subjective interpretation that by journalists for a general newspaper.

We do not understand Mr. Duren, what he want to accomplish, now he is throwing mud at the many writers who always have been wiling to spend time to research and to bring certain matters into discussion.

Lies and vile language

For this reason we also would like to ask Mr. Duden why he still considers it ‘to be Arminian lies’ that “God loves everyone” and “Jesus died for everyone”? He clearly still does not want to believe in the One and Only God, but looking at his site is even prepared to go to fight against those Arminian and other non-trinitarian Christians.

We do get the impression he is still running with the idea of that WBC which thinks to believe the Bible and to live according the Bible.

He himself has now become a member of the bloggosphere. This means he now has also become one of those writers, about whom members of groups could talk like he does. We do hope he shall find a way to get rid of his past education of hate-actions. It certainly would not be a good attitude for a real Christian to show such hatred and to use such vile language.

Putting away an accustomed attitude

But his way of writing shows how difficult it is for people who have been in such a hate-system or hate-group for a while. this also clearly shows the reason why people should act on such groups and in particular on the innocent little or young children. They are an easy prey for cultgroups and they often have no choice when their parents are part of a cult. For this reason it is the community who should take up her responsibility much more. They should protect the youngsters and the weaker ones as well the weak-minded.

He may be right in stating “Simply stated, Fred Phelps and his Topeka followers are a cult, and should always be designated as “the Westboro cult.” They should never be called a “church,” nor should they be called “Baptist,” ” (here we plagiarize – according his words- his writing on his site, though he asks as well, though he himself asks also to copy or use his text as a template “for your own post. Please share on social media as you have opportunity”.) But his continuing “and it is grossly inaccurate, as well as offensive to millions of Americans, to continue to do so.” is overdone and shows also how important he thought his group was, and how the figures of attendants of that cult group are still exaggerated in his head.

What we can see with cult groups is that often they attack others a lot, but they cannot stand when they have to receive comments or when they are attacked by others with the same weapons. For those wanting to cut loose the ties with a cult they shall need a lot of time to readjust and to get used to communicate on a normal manner. They also shall need time to readjust their mind, their way of thinking and their way of talking. We can only hope for Mr.Duren that he shall be prepared to learn that and that he shall be willing to take the time and energy to transform himself to cut himself loose from his old ties.

Able to change

It is only by willing to open up the mind that the spirit shall be able to change and that a person who was been taken in by a cult shall get himself free of that cult.

We wish him good luck on his journey in a new world for him.

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  1. Find Marty Duren his blog: mitsilancer and his plea: A plea to all media outlets re: ‘the Westboro cult’
  2. Find the mainblog of the Westbor Baptist Church: God hates fags
  3. The Most Hated Family in America
  4. Announcing picketing upcoming funeral
  5. Marty Duren’s Plea against Westboro Baptist Church
  6. Leider van meest gehate familie sterft
  7. Fred Phelps’ Death Prompts Westboro Baptist Church To Protest His Funeral

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Perhaps of interest:

  1. Fred Phelps attended Bob Jones University; rape-apologist now on BJU board
    Bob Jones University is currently pretending that Fred Phelps did not go to their school. Is that FUNNY or what? I can remember when they would have been proud, but demonstrating at the funerals of Elizabeth Edwards and Steve Jobs? Even too embarrassing for BJU!
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    At this time, I was borderline Opus Dei myself (saints preserve us) and was in the grip of that Old Time Religion, like really really old. I considered Protestants heretics, and the more Protestant, the more heretical. Since I live in Jesusland (see map HERE), this gave me Major Attitude. I was in the religious minority, and I enjoyed it.
    I would compare my self-righteous pseudo-Opus-Dei buzz to the same buzz I got from being a Maoist for a few scant months (nobody lasts long under the Chairman)… it’s a feeling of certitude that I often miss, now that I am not certain about so many things. Being existentially certain takes a lot of the hesitation, confusion and fear out of everyday life. Therefore, I totally understand the hypnotic draw of fundamentalism.
  2. Open Salon and God Hates Fags
    This humorous slogan, a variation of Phelps’ protest mantra, has also become a common counterprotest to Westboro. It also is accompanied by actual Bible verses.
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    How far do we go in permitting Freedom of Speech? At what point does one cross a line and one starts promoting hatred and/or violence? The web site Subverted Nation by Adam Austin promotes anti-Semitism. The Ku Klux Klan promotes white racism. That stuff is kind of scary, especially when you start seeing references to Hitler and the Nazis. Show me a swastika and I get a tad apprehensive.
    However, Fred Phelps is so virulently anti-gay with such a bizarre, sometimes irrational message, I wonder if he doesn’t come across as more ridiculous than dangerous. Then again, after viewing some videos and listening to the bunch of them, I’m surprised how some counterprotesters keep their sense of humour without wanting to go over and slap Phelps silly.
  3. Westboro Baptist Church About WBC A Publicity-Hungry Group Pickets Inspire Legislation and Legal Action A History of Anti-Gay Hatred Fred Phelps Disbarred In Their Own Words: On Jews On Gays On Blacks On Christians On America Responding: Responding to the Westboro Baptist Church (.pdf 116 KB)

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  • Westboro Baptist Church praises Sikh temple shooting (rt.com)
    Almost immediately after the shooting at the Sikh Temple in Wisconsin, leaders of the Westboro Baptist Church took to Twitter, calling the shooting a beautiful punishment from an angry God.
  • Westboro Baptist Church Attracts “Pigs,” Causes Clash (offthebase.wordpress.com)
    This post is for all those who have turned out to protect military family members of fallen warriors when members of…
  • Ever-Offensive Westboro Baptist Church Praises Sikh Shooting (thedailysheeple.com)
    Fred Phelps, the leader of Westboro, wrote on Twitter that the shooting was a “beautiful work of an angry God who told Wisconsin to keep their filthy hands off his people (WBC!) #godsenttheshooter.”
  • Westboro Baptist Church Threatens To ‘Super Picket’ Aurora Prayer Vigil For Batman Shooting Victims (huffingtonpost.com)
    Using the hashtag #ThankGodForTheShooter, Examiner.com reports members tweeted out their plans to “super picket” the candle lit prayer service, saying “God is at work in Colorado.”
  • Westboro Baptist Church to Picket Sage Stallone Funeral (jdjournal.com)
    The Westboro Baptist Church is known for its protests at funeral for military personnel because of its anti-gay agenda. Now, the church has decided to target Sage Stallone because of his father’s relationships.“Adulterous dad brought wrath of God on son. ‪#BloodOnDadsHands ‪#picketfuneral ‪#woe,” Phelps tweeted. She also tweeted, “Tell @TheSlyStallone to mourn for his sins, not pimp out son’s dead body to more proud sin!”
  • California Gov. Brown signs bill banning protests near funerals (earththreats.com)
    California Governor Jerry Brown signed legislation Monday which makes it a crime to protest a funeral unless the protesters are at least 300 feet (91 meters) away, the governor’s office said. The bill is mainly in response to controversial demonstrations by the Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church.
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Fear and protection

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Massacres allowed to happen

The Aurora, Colorado massacre, brought many debates about believes and about carrying weapons. It is unbelievable that many people do really want to believe it would not be so bad in case more people would have weapons on them. Often with such massacres, we mostly can find in the United States of America, and when they occasional happen in other countries, the shooters found their example in the American shooting. In many other countries such atrocious things can not happen because ordinary people are not able to get arms so easy.

But at such occasions also many people wonder how a God can allow such things to happen. They often are not accustomed to know the history of mankind from the early beginnings in the Garden of Eden, where the first man and woman doubted the right of the position their Creator took. It is because they could not agree with His right to decide what would be best or how people had to handle, though God had given a lot which they could decide themselves. They were already allowed to name things and to take care of everything on earth. But they wanted more. For that reason God gave them more. He allowed them to take care of much more. So from the time Adam and Eve committed their first sin, they had to find out everything for themselves. All their children and their children their children had to find their own way to live. They all had received form God to make their own choices.

Masaccio, Brancacci Chapel, Adam and Eve, detail.

Masaccio, Brancacci Chapel, Adam and Eve, detail. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

So still today, we all do have the opportunity to make our own choices. But we should be aware we can not blame God for the choices we made ourselves.

Choice to listen

Though, those who are wiling to listen to God, He surely shall want to help them and be with them. God protects his children from harm sometimes, but not at other times.  God uses circumstances to refine the characters of his children. In case God would go into all the questions of His followers that would be not always righteous to the others, and at such time other people could say they are only following God because than they get what they want.

People should also understand that not everything is done at once. But when they do love God He shall be willing to set his love also upon them, therefore He the Most High shall be offering refuge and be as a fortress for those who trust Him. Whatever may happen to us in the world, Jehovah Yahuwah God will deliver those who are for God and honour Him. They may trust that there shall come a moment that they shall be taken away, saved from the snare of the fowler, and from the deadly pestilence. He will cover them with his pinions, and under his wings shall they be able to take refuge. His truth is a shield and a buckler, and they will feel it.  For that reason we do not have to be afraid for the terror by night or day, nor for the bullets that flies by day or night. Even for the diseases, for the pestilence that walks in darkness, nor for the destruction that wastes at noonday.

The Words of God may be tried and mocked at, but they shall keep stand. God shall proof to the others that He is a bucler, who has been for ever and shall stay for ever. God can not be killed, but had to face that His son was killed and so many of his followers. He shall take into account why those followers had to die.

Trusting God

Humankind has been warned that it can be that a thousand shall fall at the side of many others, but when it happens near to us we should trust God. We better have the fear of God instead of the fear of humans, who only can bring us, in the worst instance, to a physical death. But they too shall have to die at one moment. No matter what happens everybody dies one day, and then their live shall be finished. For those living in the Lord, their shall be hope for the time when the promised Messiah shall return to the earth, to judge the living and the dead.  That day shall be an important day. After we die it will be to late to prepare for it, or to change anything to become accepted. Now, when we are living beings on this planet, we have to prepare ourselves and to make sure we shall be ready and acceptable to come clean for the eyes of the judge Jesus.

We do not have to be afraid anybody would be able to escape the punishment he or she deserves. Everybody shall get their share one moment in time. Not perhaps the moment we would love to see it happen, but somewhere in future they shall get their share as well. At the mean time we shall have to be content, with the blessings we already can have today. We better count those blessings, instead of looking to those of others.

No matter what happens, at a certain time we shall behold with our eyes, and see the reward of the wicked.  There shall no evil befall Gods people, nor shall any plague come near them or God shall take notice of it and He will give his [heavenly] agents charge over those who keep His ways.

“Because he cleaves to Me in love, Therefore I deliver him; I set him on high, Because he has known My Name. “When he calls on Me, I answer him; I am with him in distress; I deliver him and esteem him. “With long life I satisfy him, And show him My deliverance.”
(Psalms 91:14-16 The Scriptures 1998+)

Following

In our live we should consider the difficulties Jesus, the most beloved son of God, had to encounter; and the problems this son of men his followers had by willing to follow  the Nazarene and by preaching like he had told them to do.

Jesus knew exactly his position on earth and knew who he had to follow and obey. But even when he or others knew the commandments, this would not make them good or certainly not better than somebody else. Though many Americans do want to believe the so called Christians that they are the most particular smartest group of people because they follow Christ. Instead of recognising that also other people, who do not believe or even did not hear about God or about Jesus Christ, could do good things. But doing good things does not make you a good person. The son of God never thought of himself to being a  good one because for him it was clear that none is good except One, God.

Instinct

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Murder in Rio

Jesus also told the people that it could be that they knew the commandments, like “You shall not commit adultery. You shall not murder. You shall not steal. You shall not testify falsely. You shall not defraud. You shall honour y our father and mother.” but that does not mean yet they would go and keep to them better than others who did not hear those commandments as being the Law of God. All people are namely created in the image of God, and therefore do have certain elements of God in them. All have, like animals, an instinct, by which they are able to know what can be good or bad for them.

The big problem with this current world is that many people do not listen to their inner voice. Lots of people do perhaps know what is best for them, but prefer to go other ways and want to take short-cuts. Often they are not so interested in the things or people around them, and want to gain as much as possible for themselves. This has become the main problem of this world, and not so much that the world is going away from Judeo-Christian Values. The Jew and Christians received the same values and Laws like everybody else in the world.

God loved so much His Creation He wanted the best for it, but it were and are still the stubborn human being who often think they can do better without Him. No matter how many think they can clear it without their Creator, God, in His love for humankind, gave His most beloved only begotten son, so that those who accept his position could have more chances to go through the small gate, to enter the Kingdom of God. But they also should know that it shall not be because they are baptised that they shall be saved for ever and be going to heaven or wherever they want to go to.

Jesus, God’s son, loved the whole world and was willing to die for all, but he was also aware that his death would not bring everybody into the Kingdom of his Father. Many would lack the requirements. He also warned the people that it is not because they would accept to follow him (Jeshua/Jesus) that everything would go smooth. No everybody had to face their problems and was still going to encounter difficulties and therefore had to take up their cross.

We may never forget that our baptism or our becoming Christian is not the freeway to be able to do whatever we want or to be higher placed than other people in this world.

We should consider in what we want to place our trust and what we do want to love from this world. We should be conscious how difficult it is for those who trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God. It is easier for a camel to go through the hole of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. But today many have gone for the richness of the world, and even think, it is only possible to come to a successful world, when Judeo-Christian values are taken care off, and when people are provided with arms so that they can defend themselves.

Arming and being safe

Jesus was against arms, so that is certainly already something against the teachings of Christ, who preached love and peace, while arms shall cause more division and pain.

Instead of accepting that we can not be saved by weapons, nor by people, the majority of the humans think the solution is in their hands and their political system. Though also Jesus knew we can not be without the political system as long as the Kingdom of God is not yet fully established, but in the mean time we should listen to those who are in power. As long as they do not bring  laws against the Law of God, everybody should follow those laws, and give the caesar, governor, president or king that what belongs to that ruler.

Jesus said that with men it shall be impossible to be safe, but not with God. For with God all things are possible. But as long as we are in this worldly system even the saviour Jesus could not escape from agony. Also the son of man was delivered to the chief priests and the scholars. And they condemned him to death, and delivered him to the Gentiles. And they mocked him, and scourged, and spit upon him, and killed him.

“And יהושע  {Jeshua} said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim. “You know the commands, ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not rob,’ ‘Respect your father and your mother.’ ” And he answering, said to Him, “Teacher, all these I have watched over from my youth.” And יהושע  {Jeshua}, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One matter you lack: Go, sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven. And come, follow Me, taking up the stake.” But he, being sad at this word, went away grieved, for he had many possessions. And יהושע  {Jeshua}, looking around, said to His taught ones, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter into the reign of Elohim!” And the taught ones were astonished at His words. And יהושע  {Jeshua} responding, said to them again, “Children, how hard it is for those who trust in riches to enter into the reign of Elohim! “It is easier for a camel to enter through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the reign of Elohim.” And they were immeasurably astonished, saying among themselves, “Who then is able to be saved?” And looking at them, יהושע  {Jeshua} said, “With men it is impossible, but not with Elohim, for with Elohim all is possible.” And Kbegan to say to Him, “See, we have left all and we have followed You.” יהושע  {Jeshua} said, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for the sake of Me and the Good News, who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come, everlasting life. “But many who are first shall be last, and the last first.” And they were on the way, going up to Yerushalayim, and יהושע  {Jeshua} was going before them. And they were astonished, and those who followed were afraid. And again He took the twelve aside and began to say to them what was about to befall Him: “See, we are going up to Yerushalayim, and the Son of Adshall be delivered to the chief priests and to the scribes, and they shall condemn Him to death and shall deliver Him to the gentiles, and they shall mock Him, and flog Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He shall rise again.”
(Mark 10:18-34 The Scriptures 1998+)

End according to works

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Plan of Mount Purgatory as described by Dante Alighieri in the Divine Comedy

Jesus who was Wounded for our transgressions and died for all sinners was directed by humans to go into hell. The day Jesus died his soul was delivered in the hands of God, though an innocent man, who did not do any sin, he was placed in hell. What did the Holy man do when he was considered by many the Messiah Jesus three days in hell? Did he not succeed to save the people who were supposed to be there to be tortured for their sins? Was his dying on the stake to pay for all sins of humankind a measure for nothing? Because when Jesus as the Lamb of God sprinkled his blood on this world for forgiveness of all sins, it looks like God not accepting this offer when He ask the sinners first to go to purgatory or to send them to hell even before Jesus can judge them at the end times, when the Messiah would return to judge the living and the death. But when hell is the place of eternal damnation, why was Jesus placed in it and how did he escape from it?

“It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness,{1} whose end shall be according to their works!{2} {Footnotes: 1Mt. 7:15-23, 2 Peter 2:1-22. 2Mt. 13:41-42}. Again I say, let no one think me to be a fool. And if otherwise, at least receive me as a fool, for me to also boast a little. What I speak, I speak not according to the Master, but as in foolishness, in this boldness of boasting. Since many boast according to the flesh, I too shall boast. For you, being wise, put up with fools gladly! For you put up with it if anyone enslaves you, if anyone devours you, if anyone takes from you, if anyone exalts himself, if one hits you in the face. To my shame, I say that we were too weak for that! But in whatever anyone is bold – I say it in foolishness – I am bold also. Are they HebSo am I. Are they Yisra’So am I. Are they the seed of AbSo am I. Are they servants of Messiah? – I speak as beside myself – I am more, in labours much more, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequently, in deaths many times. Five times I received from the Yehudforty stripes less one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have been in the deep, in many travels, in dangers of waters, in dangers of robbers, in dangers from my own race, in dangers from the gentiles, in dangers in the city, in dangers in the desert, in dangers in the sea, in dangers among false brothers; in toil and hardship, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness, besides the matters from outside, what comes upon me daily: the anxiety for all the assemblies. Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn inwardly? If I have to boast, I shall boast of matters that show up my weakness. The Elohim and Father of our Master יהושע {Jeshua}  Messiah, who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying. ” (2 Corinthians 11:15-31 The Scriptures 1998+)

The apostle Paul was not the only who had to suffer, though he followed Christ and lived according to the Law of God. But he was not afraid for those humans who mad his life less easy and less pleasant. He at that time knew why he was being troubled. But he knew also the country had to encounter many problems, not because they got lesser Christian beliefs followed. He also knew that it was not because they ordered God out of their schools, because in many regions school and religion were separated. Theological teachings were considered a matter of the religious teachers like the rabbi. They had to take care of the right teaching for their community in the temples.  The religions had their own temples were worship was done and were people learned more about that religion.  Though there were many gods praised and many more temples we do have today in the communities, there were also the military and public conversations at many places, the hell did not break loose.

Reaping

In a column in One News Now, the conservative evangelical spokesperson Jerry Newcombe wrote that the shooting in Aurora was evidence that “we’re reaping what we’ve been sowing as a society,” explaining, “Lawsuit after lawsuit, often by misguided ‘civil libertarians,’ have chased away any fear of God in the land.”

Congressman Louie Gohmert (R-TX) attributed the shooting to atheism and attacks on Christians. But today we are not more attacked than in previous centuries. And for sure the psychological ill person did not attack Christianity. It is wrong to always say everything is the fault because Christianity is under attack and it is not willing to defend itself.

Going through or in Hell

It is also strange that those American evangelicals often would not find it bad that people who did something against them would go to a place of torture. You can find a lot who love that idea of hell and even say that it is because so many do not believe in heel that we do have so many problems. For them it is not so bad that a Christian dies early, if a Christian dies young, it seems tragic they agree, but really it is not tragic because they are going to a wonderful place they say. But they also say that, on the other hand, if a person doesn’t know Jesus Christ… “if they knowingly rejected Jesus Christ, then, basically, they are going to a terrible place.” They would like to have everybody getting the fear for that place, so that the world can be saved.

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Chart of Hell ca. 1480–1495, pen and ink on parchment, after Dante’s Divine Comedy. – Sandro Botticelli (1445-1515)

First of all, the word used for that place of which they are so afraid, is “sheol” or “hades” which means the  “grave“, the place were everybody gets into when he dies. By certain people the dead are burned, by others they are cremated, in other cultures they are put in holes or in caves or mausoleums. Being put in the grave, is only been done when a person did pass away.  After Jesus died, he also was put in the grave and was for three days in sheol or the hell, the place of which he warned to be aware of because  there the fire would not be quenched. That fire which could be considered to be a literal fire, because at that time the people who died were brought out of the town to be burned on that hill ‘sheol’. But in Mark 9:48 the same verse says it is “where their worm does not die”. It is most unlikely that this means everlasting fires and immortal worms, and much more likely that it is a figurative expression describing the destruction that occurs in a rubbish tip.

In the Holy Scriptures is clearly written that Death is the penalty for our sins, we when we die we have paid for our sins, and God is not giving us an extra charge, having us place in a purgatory or in a hell for eternal torture. Having a feeling after death would also be against other writings in the Old Testament were is clearly indicated that the living can feel certain things but that those who died can not take anything with them or can not feel anything.

“For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know naught, nor do they have any more reward, for their remembrance is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy have now perished; and they no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun. ” (Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 The Scriptures 1998+)
“Do not put your trust in princes, In a son of man, in whom is no deliverance. His spirit goes out, he returns to his earth; In that day his plans perish. Blessed is he who has the of Yafor his help, Whose expectancy is in יהוה  {Jehovah} his Elohim, Maker of the heavens and earth, The sea and all that is in them, Who is guarding truth forever, ” (Psalms 146:3-6 The Scriptures 1998+)

““See, all beings are Mine, the being of the father as well as the being of the son is Mine. The being that is sinning shall die. “But if a man is righteous and shall do right-ruling and righteousness, if he has not eaten on the mountains, nor lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Yisra’nor defiled his neighbour’s wife, nor comes near a woman during her uncleanness, if he does not oppress anyone, does return to the debtor his pledge, does not commit robbery, does give his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with a garment, if he does not lend on interest or take increase, turns back his hand from unrighteousness, executes right-ruling in truth between man and man, if he walks in My laws, and he has guarded My right-rulings in truth – he is righteous, he shall certainly live!” declares the Master יהוה {Jehovah}. ” (Ezekiel 18:4-9 The Scriptures 1998+)

Which commandments following or ending up in hell

In the modern world it is already for ages that people, like the Americans lend money and ask or pay interest, often oppress others, come close and go in bed with women in their period. Are all those, because they do not follow those saying of God, are going to end up in hell and being tortured for ever?

For sure they all will die, like we shall die and be cremated or put in a grave to be in sheol, which is translated by many Bible-versions as ‘hell’, but is the same place where Abraham, Jacob and other holy many were placed.

“And Yatore his garments, and put sackcloth on his waist, and mourned for his son many days. And all his sons and all his daughters arose to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted, and he said, “Now let me go down into the grave to my son in mourning.” So his father wept for him. ” (Genesis 37:34-35 The Scriptures 1998+)
““And it came to be that the beggar died, and was carried by the messengers to the bosom of AbAnd the rich man also died and was buried. “And while suffering tortures in the grave, having lifted up his eyes, he saw Abfar away, and Elin his bosom. “And crying out he said, ‘Father Abhave compassion on me, and send Elto dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am suffering in this flame.’ ” (Luke 16:22-24 The Scriptures 1998+) (Please do compare this translation with your version. In many versions sheol and hades are translated as hell, as the word for the ‘underwold’ “Tartarus”. Often, not to clash with certain teachings, different words are used, or they place the original Hebrew and Greek words untranslated to give the impression it is a proper name of a place and not a substantive.)

We can find the word γεννα (gehenna) 11 times in the Gospels, and the word αδης (hades)  10 times. By comparison, the word ουρανος (heaven) appears 141 times in the Gospels as “heaven” (the word actually shows up 153 times; 7 times translated “air,” 3 times translated “sky,” 1 time “side,” and 1 time “other”, NRSV).  We should be aware that in the days of Jesus they did have an other concept of the ‘burning place’ then the Christian world has taken over form the Dante understandings of the concept of “hell.”

In case there could be a real fire also this could be the fire bringing “the second death”, spoken of in the Bible, where the wicked will be destroyed after facing judgement. That is then  consistent teaching of scripture.

Sinners or opponents, fire and the lake

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Lake of fire of Kilauea at night (1910) – Popular Science Monthly Volume 77

Sinners are opponents of God. They shall receive their punishment. The lake of fire, spoken of in Revelation 20:10 could be a real fire, but we notice that in verse 14 of the same chapter Death and Hades are also to be thrown into that lake of fire. It is clear in this case that the fire symbolizes destruction.

“And they came up over the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the set-apart ones and the beloved city. And fire came down from Elohim out of the heaven and consumed them. And the devil, who led them astray, was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet are. And they shall be tortured day and night forever and ever. ” (Revelation 20:9-10 The Scriptures 1998+)
“And I saw a great white throne and Him who was sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before the throne, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged from what was written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and the grave gave up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. And the death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death.{1} {Footnote: 1See 2:11, 20:6, 21:8}. And if anyone was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. ” (Revelation 20:11-15 The Scriptures 1998+)

Although fire is often used symbolically in this way, it is possible that God will literally use fire to destroy the wicked. For example, 2 Peter 3 contrasts destruction by water in the Flood with destruction by fire when Jesus returns:

“For they choose to have this hidden from them: that the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by the Word of Elohim,{1}{Footnote: 1Heb. 11:3}. through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. And the present heavens and the earth are treasured up by the same Word, being kept for fire, to a day of judgment and destruction of wicked men. ” (2 Peter 3:5-7 The Scriptures 1998+)

God’s judgement will be executed on those who rebel against him. It is not “souls” that are described as being tortured, but “dead bodies” as being burnt. In Old Testament times worshippers of foreign gods such as Baal and Moloch sacrificed their children in the Valley Of Hinnom just outside Jerusalem. The “hell” in Mar 9:47 is translated from the Greek word for the Valley of Hinnom. This refers to the fire which was continuously burning there in the first century, and was used to destroy rubbish and the bodies of executed criminals. The name of the Valley of Hinnom came to be despised.

This fire is not literal. Nor are the worms literal; even those people who believe in the doctrine of the immortal soul do not believe in the doctrine of the immortal worm.

Loving and fearing

We should not have hell being a reason to fear God nor to keep His commandments. We should be loving all the people around us, believers and non believers, and wishing the best for them all. Because we know that God is the best teacher and Guide to give us all the tools to make the best of our lives,  we should recognise His Gracious Love and for to this end we should labour and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of them that believe.

Lets us remind Samuel, fearing God, not fearing human people:

““יהוה  {Jehovah} rewarded me according to my righteousness; According to the cleanness of my hands He repaid me. “For I have guarded the ways of יהוה , And have not acted wrongly against my Elohim. “For all His right-rulings are before me; As for His laws, I do not turn from them. “And I am perfect before Him, And I guard myself from my crookedness. “And יהוה  repays me according to my righteousness, According to my cleanness before His eyes. “With the kind You show Yourself kind, With the perfect one You show Yourself perfect, “With the clean You show Yourself clean, And with the crooked You show Yourself twisted. “For You save the humble people, But Your eyes are on the haughty to bring them low. “For You are my lamp, O יהוה , And יהוה  makes my darkness light. “For with You I run against a band, With my Elohim I leap over a wall. “The – His way is perfect; The Word of יהוה  is proven; He is a shield to all who take refuge in Him. “For who is besides יהוה ? And who is a rock, besides our Elohim? “is my mighty stronghold, And He makes my way perfect, “Making my feet like the feet of deer, And sets me on my high places, “Teaching my hands for battle, So that my arms bend a bow of bronze. “And You give me the shield of Your deliverance, And Your lowliness makes me great. “You enlarge my step under me, So that my feet shall not slip. “I pursue my enemies and destroy them, And I do not turn back till they are destroyed. “And I destroy them and crush them, So that they do not rise, And fall under my feet. “And You gird me with strength for battle, You cause my adversaries to bow under me. “And You make my enemies turn their backs, Those hating me, and I cut them off. “They look but there is no saviour, Unto יהוה , but He shall not answer them. “And I beat them as dust of the earth, I beat them small as dirt in the streets – I spread them out. “And You deliver me from the strivings of my people, You safeguard me as the head of the nations; A people I have not known serve me. ” (2 Samuel 22:21-44 The Scriptures 1998+)
“For You are not an taking delight in wrong, Nor does evil dwell with You. The boasters do not stand before Your eyes; You hate all workers of wickedness. You destroy those speaking falsehood; יהוה  {Jehovah} loathes a man of blood and deceit. But I, I enter Your house In the greatness of Your kindness; I bow myself toward Your set-apart Hin Your fear. O יהוה  {Jehovah}, lead me in Your righteousness because of those watching me; Make Your way straight before my face. For there is no stability in their mouth; Their inward part is destruction; Their throat is an open grave; They flatter with their tongue. Declare them guilty, O Elohim! Let them fall by their own counsels; Thrust them away for their many transgressions, Because they have rebelled against You. But let all who take refuge in You rejoice; Let them ever shout for joy, because You shelter them; And let those who love Your Name exult in You. For You bless the righteous, O יהוה  {Jehovah}; You surround him with favour as with a shield. ” (Psalms 5:4-12 The Scriptures 1998+)

Loosing

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UN Peace keepers collecting bodies from Ahmići, Bosnia and Herzegovina in April 1993 – ICTY April 1993

The American Family Association’s Fred Jackson said concerning the Aurora shooting: “Whether it’s the Hollywood movies, whether it’s what we see on the Internet, whether it’s liberal bias in the media, whether it’s our politicians changing public policy, I think all of those somehow have fit together—and I have to say also churches who are leaving the authority of Scripture and losing their fear of God” are what “give us these kinds of incidents.” How does it come that in countries who are less evangelical or less Christian as their country there does not come up one incident were people do have to question the values of their population?

Fear and the matter of protection has been in every community. In the U.S.A. some choose to debate about gun control or the state of healthcare for the mentally ill, other stalwart truthseekers have made it their mission to get to the bottom of James Holmes’ massacre at a midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises, willing to come to the core of the wrong goings in their living community. Conspiracy theories are made up for the cause to get their priorities. “Inconsistencies” easily attributed to psychosis or misreported facts, several authors find it a more reasonable explanation that this was all government coercion.

People should question in which way a person can be brainwashed or can made to act in a certain way. They should know that you have the parents, the teachers, the religious teachers or atheist teachers, the playground caretakers, sports educators, and all the friends and acquaintances a person has contact with which shall form him or her. The background a person gets shall be part of his formation.

Many times in history there have been people who wanted to take the law in their own hands. Several times in history we saw individuals or groups taking justice into their own hands.

There have been sound and well balanced people but also not level-headed persons or lunatics who either wanted to change the world, who more often wanted to make their point clear to the community.

Protecting the community

The community shall only be able to protect itself, when it has a proper eye on what is happening in her community and sees how everything is evolving. They also should know that examples in a community and social pressure are important matters which can influence a lot of persons and have their repercussions on the whole group.

We shall not deny that when more people would live according to the Law of God we shall have lesser problems. But we always shall have to be realistic, knowing that not all people shall think the same way or believe in the same things.

In the fear of God we can and should try to get others believe in the Natural Laws and natural ethics and show them or prove to them that following the Law of God can give better results in live for all. To get credibility by others, we in the first place have to show that we are trustworthy. Acting from religious conviction has to proof that the right values are chosen for and that for a Christian the love for every one is shown.

Living according rules of Freedom

When one demands freedom that shall have to include freedom of religious belief and practice as well. By many Christians we can only see that there is a lot of hatred between the denominations and many of them accuse one or the other of things which they do not want to see by them. When they who say to be followers of Christ do want to arm themselves, and do not trust God in protecting them, how can others believe in their God, when his people do not show this love they should have according to the son of that God.

As real Christians we should go for the Love and should be careful in our choices, whom we want to elect and want to allow to present certain civil laws. When we can avoid that certain civil laws, which would not be in accordance with God Laws, be voted, we can contribute ourselves to this worldly system. As long as Jesus did not return we shall have to make do.

By living according the Law of God and educating our beloved in this Law we shall be able to form a generation and group of people who shall be able to protect themselves by living according to these divine rules and by giving good examples.

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To be continued:
Condemnation of the World  and Illustration of Justification

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  1. Facing disaster fatigue
  2. Christian values and voting not just a game
  3. Mormons, just an other faith
  4. Uncertainty, shame and no time for vacillation
  5. Economics and Degradation
  6. Depression Economics and Paul Krugman
  7. Democratic downfall
  8. Capitalism downfall
  9. Men as God
  10. “solutions” to our problems
  11. The LORD protects those of childlike faith
  12. The great and holy God will not be unfaithful
  13. People don’t hunt out “loopholes” when they are seeking to love God and neighbours
  14. God demonstrates his own love
  15. Trust God to shelter, safety and security
  16. God my fence, my hope for the future
  17. God is my refuge and my fortress in Him I will trust
  18. Gaining Christ, trusting Jehovah + Gain Christ, trusting Jehovah
  19. It is not try but trust
  20. Hell = Sheol = Grave, tomb, sepulchre – graf, begraafplaats, rustplaats, sepulcrum
  21. What happens when we die?
  22. Jesus three days in hell
  23. Jesus and the fallen angels in hell
  24. Fallen Angels, Messengers of God gone astray
  25. dead and after
  26. hellfire
  27. Satan or the devil
  28. Sheol or the grave
  29. soul
  30. Gain Christ, trusting Jehovah

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Background:

  1. Here Are the Most Insane Aurora Shooting Conspiracy Theories
  2. The 6 Most Offensive Things Said in the Wake of the Aurora Shooting
  3. Evangelical Leaders Blame Liberals, Media For Aurora Shootings, Say Only Christian Victims Will Go To Heaven

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  • All trust, no fear (layeredhearts.wordpress.com)
    this is how God loves us. He sees the big waves coming, and sometimes they do crash over us and that’s when He holds us tightly so we don’t drown. But then there are times when He lifts us up so we are above the circumstance. I want to learn to trust in God’s love and protection, so I have no fear, like my son trusts me.
  • Use Godly Power or Die Forever Broke! (muponisi.wordpress.com)
    With godly power, for example, we can choose to become rich, and it would happen. The godly power is for us to do any positive thing, while we are still on earth to make our living better. We must claim all things, which God has granted us through His power.
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    Fear connotes inability to do something about a situation because one is afraid of repercussions from either the known or unknown. Yet, cautiousness denotes the notion that one is aware of shortcomings, and is avoiding possible dangers surrounding a given situation. There is a very thin line between fear and cautiousness. It is very possible to glide from cautiousness into fear without knowing.
  • Living the Surrendered Life (Day 20) (christlikeministriesnwa.wordpress.com)
    I make mistakes on a daily basis.  I have times where I doubt God.  I have times where I disobey God.  I am always making mistakes.  I’m always missing God…and I have a lot of me that still gets in God’s way.  So…if that disappoints you…I am sorry…but I’m not perfect…and never will claim to be.
  • August 5 (newstrength.wordpress.com)
    Do you feel like you’re a target sometimes, too? It’s mentally and physically exhausting to be a target. Do you sometimes feel like you’re running out of strength? Does it sometimes seem like the enemy is closing in on you and there’s no where to turn?When it’s clear that someone is out to get you—you need strength, and you need a shield.When you trust in the Lord with all your heart, He will become your strength and shield in every area of your life. But having complete support and protection comes from truly making God Lord of your life.
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    We all need to get better at trusting and praising instead of fussing and fearing. When we trust and praise—God’s power is magnified in our behalf. When you step on the accelerator of a gasoline powered car—it goes faster. When we choose to trust and praise, it’s like ‘stepping on the gas’. When we are all caught up with fussing and fearing—it’s like sitting still, or going in reverse. Fussing and fearing turns off the power of God.
  • Home Invasion…….divine Protection…….attacked by Fear……peace (unwalled.wordpress.com)

    daring stealthy home invasion

    failed attempt at burglary
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    attacked by tormenting fear

    active focus on God and His Word

    relaxing and sleeping again in delightful peace
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    I thank you for your promise that no weapon formed against us shall prosper and I trust you to continue to keep us safe and in perfect peace. I present the person(s) who invaded our home to you.

  • Massacres in Aleppo, Syria (EndtheLie.com)
    “Responsibility to Protect” crumbles as Western-armed terror front slaughters civilians while foreign sponsors attempt to tie hands of Syrian security forces.

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    With the Western press freely admitting that their “freedom fighting” FSA is lining up “suspected government supporters” and machine gunning them en mass, it seems the massacre the West feared would unfold in Aleppohas come to pass – only it wasn’t perpetrated by the Syrian government or its security forces, but rather by NATO and the Gulf State’s very own armed and coddled FSA terrorists.
  • Hang Ten (hodgepodge4thesoul.wordpress.com)
    Sometimes it seems that the waves are crashing all around, and you keep getting pulled under.  And just when you raise your head above water, here comes another set knocking you around.  It’s at those moments I’ve learnded to be still, relax, grab my board, and just ride it.
  • Fear (alifegivingmoment.wordpress.com)
    I’m afraid of — snakes, spiders, some loud noises — but do I tell her the real things I’m afraid of?  Things like …–almost every time I see a funny place on my skin I’m certain I have skin cancer that will surely end in death or …
    +I couldn’t look this little girl in the eyes and say, “It’ll be okay, honey!  When you grow up you won’t be afraid of things anymore. ”   I didn’t have any pat answer to give her to take all of those fears away but I could tell her that I’m afraid sometimes too and at least let her know she wasn’t alone in that battle.
  • Le’Andria Johnson: Sooner or Later (rhachellenicol.com)
    it was easier for me to run from God and hide my face than to ask for forgiveness and continue to move forward with the plans that God had for my life.  Just like Adam and Eve did in the Garden of Eden, it is easier to run and hide than it is to stand.  I ran from the very protection and covering that I had in my life.
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    We have to be careful of the judgement that we put off on people.  We do not know the relationship that she has with the Lord.  The enemy will use the very aspect of your life that causes you to live in shame and fear to keep you from fulfilling the purpose that God has for your life.
  • Paradise, the First Sin, the Fiery Sword, and the Path to Rectification (alaskawildgirl.wordpress.com)
    Fear of punishment is how the minion mind is controlled.
    Anger is punishment itself, and minions live in a world of suffering which arises from their own uncontrolled, violent anger, passions, and poisons of the mind.
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    We must walk past the burning sword to reenter the garden they say. That sword is the Word, holy books, dharma, or even the fire of torment and punishment, i.e. those things which remove attachments. We must allow wisdom or karma to cut away all remnants of wanting so that we can experience true happiness. It’s not about acting upon things or living beings and expecting results, rather acting upon the self, removing judgment and fear of punishment and all other forms of fear in order to know ourselves as not just things of clay that are born and die, but beings of love that go beyond time and space.
  • To Tell the Truth (stefanicarmichael.wordpress.com)
    perpetual lack of honesty tells something seriously askew with your child’s relationship to God. It shows your child is not truly trusting God enough to obey His commands. It could be that he fears the consequences of telling the truth more than he fears God.
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    Was the child afraid of what you would do rather than fearing the Lord? You might need to point him to God’s goodness and faithfulness to encourage him to trust God more deeply. Was the child lying to make himself look better to someone else? Maybe you need to help him understand that God’s perfect design in creating your child that is marred only by sin (and lying is a sin). He needs to see himself through the eyes of God and not his peers.
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    Whatever the situation is, you need to fight your child’s lies with God’s truth. Help them see clearly.
  • Tree of Life and Tree of Knowledge (theharvestprinciple.wordpress.com)
    What really happened in the Garden of Eden? Was it simply a sin, or a horrendous mistake? Adam and Eve lived in the Garden in a spiritual relationship with God. In order to live in the spirit a person’s own will had to choose to deactivate and to live through God’s will or spirit.
  • Julian Assange is right to fear US prosecution (guardian.co.uk)
    As the drama unfolds over Julian Assange’s bid for political asylum in Ecuador, a troubling irony has emerged: the besieged founder of WikiLeaks is seeking refuge in this small Andean nation because he fears persecution from the United States, a nation whose laws famously grant asylum to people in precisely Assange’s situation.
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    The US claims to lead the world in freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and the role these play as the foundations of democratic government. These freedoms do not die when governments feel threatened or are embarrassed by the publication of information. As Justices Stewart and White famously said, “the only effective restraint upon executive policy and power in the areas of national defence and international affairs may lie in an enlightened citizenry – in an informed and critical public opinion which alone can here protect the values of democratic government”.Indeed, it is precisely those who challenge the powerful, including government, who most require the protection afforded by fundamental free speech rights. If our current administration chooses to abandon them, it may fall to Ecuador to uphold the best of American principles.
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The Soul confronted with Death

Posted on March 21, 2012. Filed under: Bible Study and Bible Reading, Jehovah יהוה YHWH JHVH God Elohim Yahweh Jahweh, Jesus Christ Jeshua the Messiah Jahushua, Kingdom of God, Life and Death | Tags: , , , , , , , , , , |

Souls

Gator and Python

An American alligator and a Burmese python locked in a struggle to prevail in Everglades National Park - Lori Oberhofer, National Park Service

At the beginning of the times יהוה (Jehovah) God, the Creator of all things,  said, “Let the waters swarm with swarmers having a soul of life; and let the birds fly over the earth, on the face of the expanse of the heavens.” And God created the great sea animals, and all that creeps, having a living soul, which roamed the waters, according to its kind; and every bird with wing according to its kind. And God, the Elohim, saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas; and let the birds multiply in the earth.” And there was evening, and there was morning the fifth day. And God said, “Let the earth bring forth the soul of life according to its kind: cattle, and creepers, and its beasts of the earth, according to its kind.” And it was so. And God made the beasts of the earth according to its kind, and cattle according to its kind, and all creepers of the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And God said, “let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth. And God created the man in His own image;” in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female.
The soul was and is the body with life, and can be a man or an animal. When God formed the man of the dust of the earth, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, man became a living soul.
All the souls are Gods, be it an animal or human being, baby, child, adolescent, adult, father or mother, so also the soul of the son–they all belong to the Creator God Almighty. Because of the first sin all souls shall have to face death. Breathshall leave the body and as such that soul does die.

“And Elohim said, “Let the waters teem with shoals of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth on the face of the expanse of the heavens.” And Elohim created great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters teemed, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And Elohim saw that it was good. And Elohim blessed them, saying, “Bear fruit and increase, and fill the waters in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the fifth day. And Elohim said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: livestock and creeping creatures and beasts of the earth, according to its kind.” And it came to be so. And Elohim made the beast of the earth according to its kind, livestock according to its kind, and all that creep on the earth according to its kind. And Elohim saw that it was good. And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.” And Elohim created the man in His image, in the image of Elohim He created him – male and female He created them. ” (Genesis 1:20-27 The Scriptures 1998+)
“And יהוה Elohim formed the man out of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils breath of life. And the man became a living being.” (Genesis 2:7 The Scriptures 1998+)
“And so it has been written, “The first man Aḏam became a living being,” the last Aḏam a life-giving Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 15:45 The Scriptures 1998+)

“See, all beings are Mine, the being of the father as well as the being of the son is Mine. The being that is sinning shall die. ” (Ezekiel 18:4 The Scriptures 1998+)

“But Elohim proves His own love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Messiah died for us. Much more then, having now been declared right by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if, being enemies, we were restored to favour with Elohim through the death of His Son, much more, having been restored to favour, we shall be saved by His life. And not only this, but we also exult in Elohim through our Master יהושע Messiah, through whom we have now received the restoration to favour. For this reason, even as through one man sin did enter into the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned – for until the Torah, sin was in the world, but sin is not reckoned when there is no Torah. But death reigned from Aḏam until Mosheh, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Aḏam, who is a type of Him who was to come. But the favourable gift is not like the trespass. For if by the one man’s trespass many died, much more the favour of Elohim, and the gift in favour of the one Man, יהושע Messiah, overflowed to many. And the favourable gift is not as by one having sinned. For indeed the judgment was of one to condemnation, but the favourable gift is of many trespasses unto righteousness. For if by the trespass of the one, death did reign through the one, much more those who receive the overflowing favour and the gift of righteousness shall reign in life through the One, יהושע Messiah. So then, as through one trespass there resulted condemnation to all men, so also through one righteous act there resulted righteous-declaring of life to all men. ” (Romans 5:8-18 The Scriptures 1998+)

“Do not put your trust in princes, In a son of man, in whom is no deliverance. His spirit goes out, he returns to his earth; In that day his plans perish. Blessed is he who has the Ěl of Yaʽaqoḇ for his help, Whose expectancy is in יהוה his Elohim, Maker of the heavens and earth, The sea and all that is in them, Who is guarding truth forever, ” (Psalms 146:3-6 The Scriptures 1998+)
“You hide Your face, they are alarmed; You take away their breath, they die and return to their dust; ” (Psalms 104:29 The Scriptures 1998+)

Whatever we try to do, one day we all shall have to face the end of our life, except those who shall still be alive when at the Last Word War, the Armageddon, would belong to those surviving who shall be there to see the return of Christ יהושע Jesus (Jeshua or  Iēsoun) and be judged by him.

Cause of death

יהוה  looked at His creations and gave His first commandment: “You may eat fruit from any tree in the garden, except the one that has the power to let you know the difference between right and wrong. If you eat any fruit from that tree, you will die before the day is over!” (Genesis 2:16-17 CEV) Because man did not listen to his Creator he had to feel the consequences  and the day he eat fruit from that tree he saw what he had done, and knew the difference between right and wrong, just as God does.
Jehovah God punished the first man and woman, but also brought a solution to their wrong going. Because they had not obeyed, they were reprimanded and became cursed. God greatly increased the woman’s pains in childbirth and her desire will be for her husband who was going to rule over her. But the male could not escape either because he had listened to his wife and ate from the tree about which God commanded him, ‘You must not eat of it’. Cursed is the ground because of him; through painful toil we will eat of it all the days of our life. It will produce thorns and thistles for us, while we shall have to eat the plants of the field. We will eat our food by the sweat of our brow until we return to the ground. As we came from the ground, for dust we are and to dust we will return. (Genesis 3:12-19)

Jehovah said: »The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.« Therefore Jehovah God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.

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First sin, eating from the tree which was forbidden by God

“And יהוה  Elohim commanded the man, saying, “Eat of every tree of the garden, but do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for in the day that you eat of it you shall certainly die.” ” (Genesis 2:16-17 The Scriptures 1998+)
““For Elohim knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be like Elohim, knowing good and evil.” And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, and she took of its fruit and ate. And she also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made loin coverings for themselves. ” (Genesis 3:5-7 The Scriptures 1998+)

“And the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree and I ate.” And יהוה  Elohim said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.” And יהוה  Elohim said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, you are cursed more than all livestock and more than every beast of the field. On your belly you are to go, and eat dust all the days of your life. “And I put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed1. He shall crush your head, and you shall crush His heel.” Footnote: 1First promise of the Messiah. To the woman He said, “I greatly increase your sorrow and your conception – bring forth children in pain. And your desire is for your husband, and he does rule over you.” And to the man He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘Do not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground because of you, in toil you are to eat of it all the days of your life, and the ground shall bring forth thorns and thistles for you, and you shall eat the plants of the field. “By the sweat of your face you are to eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are, and to dust you return.” ” (Genesis 3:12-19 The Scriptures 1998+)

“And יהוה  Elohim said, “See, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever…” so יהוה  Elohim sent him out of the garden of Ěḏen to till the ground from which he was taken, and He drove the man out. And He placed keruḇim at the east of the garden of Ěḏen, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life. ” (Genesis 3:22-24 The Scriptures 1998+)

It was the wrong thinking, the opposition (satan) against the orders of God. Adam and Eve had become adversaries (satan) of God. The resistance (satan) to the commandments of God brings disunity with God. Everybody who does something wrong sins and comes from this adversary (Satan, commonly called the devil). Being descendants from Adam we are damaged, born in sin and imperfect.

Humans followed their own thoughts and became we were enemies of their Creator, Jehovah God. though we were reconciled to God through the death of His son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by Jesus Christ his life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom now we received the reconciliation. Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death passed to all men, because all sinned. Only Jesus managed to stay without sin, though he could sin.

By the first sin death had come into life of the souls (men and women).  Until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin,  because not everyone disobeyed a direct command from God, according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of ‘him who was to come’. But the free gift is not like the offence. For if by the offence of one man many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to the many.
Jesus Christ alone brought God‘s gift of kindness to many people.  There is a lot of difference between Adam’s sin and God’s gift. That one sin led to punishment. But God’s gift made it possible for us to be acceptable to him, even though we have sinned many times.  For the judgement which came from one offence resulted in condemnation, but the free gift from many offences resulted in justification. For if by the offence of the one man death reigned through the one man, much more those receiving the abundance of the grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Death ruled like a king because Adam had sinned, which brought by his offence judgement to all men, resulting in condemnation. But that cannot compare with what יהושע  Jesus Christ as 2° Adam has done. God has been so kind to us, and he has accepted us because of Jesus. And so we will live and rule like kings.  For through the disobedience of the one man the many were constituted sinners, so also through the obedience of the One many shall be constituted righteous.

“For this reason, even as through one man sin did enter into the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned – for until the Torah, sin was in the world, but sin is not reckoned when there is no Torah. But death reigned from Aḏamm until Mosheh, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Aḏamm, who is a type of Him who was to come. But the favourable gift is not like the trespass. For if by the one man’s trespass many died, much more the favour of Elohim, and the gift in favour of the one Man, יהושע ? Messiah, overflowed to many. And the favourable gift is not as by one having sinned. For indeed the judgment was of one to condemnation, but the favourable gift is of many trespasses unto righteousness. For if by the trespass of the one, death did reign through the one, much more those who receive the overflowing favour and the gift of righteousness shall reign in life through the One, יהושע  Messiah. So then, as through one trespass there resulted condemnation to all men, so also through one righteous act there resulted righteous-declaring of life to all men. For as through the disobedience of one man many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One many shall be made righteous. ” (Romans 5:12-19 The Scriptures 1998+)

Life is short and sorrowful for every living soul. We are like flowers that fade and shadows that vanish. Like Adam and all the others after him and before us we shall have to die and become forgotten by many. Nobody is able to keep his soul alive.

When a tree is chopped down, there is always the hope that it will sprout again. Its roots and stump may rot, but at the touch of water, fresh twigs shoot up. Humans are different — we die, and that’s the end. When the breath goes out of our body it is as we fall into ‘the sleep of death’, never to rise again, having everything going to rot away and deteriorate until it all has become dust.

““Man born of woman is of few days and turmoil-filled. He comes forth like a flower and withers. He flees like a shadow and does not continue.” (Job 14:1-2 The Scriptures 1998+)
“and man shall lie down and not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they awake not, nor are aroused from their sleep.” (Job 14:12 The Scriptures 1998+)

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. ” (Ezekiel 18:4 ASV)

“All the fat ones of the earth Shall eat and bow themselves; All who go down to the dust bow before Him, Even he who did not keep alive his own life. ” (Psalms 22:29 The Scriptures 1998+)

“‘And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet1 shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ Footnote: 1Deut. 18:18-20. ” (Acts 3:23 The Scriptures 1998+)

Rites for the dead do nothing

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Baining firedance ceremony to celebrate the birth of new children; the commencement of harvests and also a way of remembering the dead - Photo Taro Taylor

When we are alive we do not know about our selves what was before we were born and the things from our childhood stay in our mind by the recollection of our thoughts.  When we are kicking and alive we do feel pain, anger and have hopefor many things. We are aware of passing time and know that we shall die, but the dead know nothing whatsoever and you could take that their state is the same as before we were born, or as in a deep sleep.

We are conscious that all that our hand finds to do,  we do have to do with our vigour or with all our might, for there is no doing, nor device machination or knowledge or wisdom in the unseen (a place which is the grave or sepulchre often called Hades, Sheol or Hell) where we shall be  going when we die.

“For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know naught, nor do they have any more reward, for their remembrance is forgotten. ” (Ecclesiastes 9:5 The Scriptures 1998+)
“All that your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or planning or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going. ” (Ecclesiastes 9:10 The Scriptures 1998+)
“And his servants said to him, “What is this that you have done? You fasted and wept because of the living child, but when the child died, you rose up and ate food.” And he said, “While the child was alive I fasted and wept, for I said, ‘Who knows whether יהוה  shows favour unto me, and the child shall live?’ “But now he is dead, why should I fast? Am I able to bring him back again? I am going to him, but he does not return to me.” ” (2 Samuel 12:21-23 The Scriptures 1998+)

Hope for the living

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Mourning at a Tongan funeral - Photo James Foster

Man shall surely die, but we are given the hope of a new life in a Kingdom of God where there shall be peace for ever and no suffering, no pain, no dead any more. “Dead” Our trespasses and sins caused us to be dead toward God. (Genesis 2:17; Ephesians 2:12)

All are condemned in one representative, ransomed by one, die for Adam’s sin. God’s plan will be testified to those who want to listen knowing that their life is but short.  God the Saviour has given His only begotten son. This man from Nazareth was able to stay sinless and had no reason to die, but gave his body for all sinners.

Those who want to follow this man the son of men and the son of God, and wants to be in Christ, can be made alive again, when they accept Jesus as ransom for them.

We never shall be able to escape the sentence for what we have done wrong. All the inward corruption is revealed to God, as many a saint after King David has found out by bitter experience that in our flesh there dwells no good thing. We are all shaped in iniquity and in sin.

“See, I was brought forth in crookedness, And in sin my mother conceived me. ” (Psalms 51:5 The Scriptures 1998+)

Confession and repentance shall make to what is going to happen with us. We should have a desire so fervent for renewal, a trust so humble, so filial in
the forgiving love of God, as we might surely expect from ‘the man after God’s own heart’ who is called Jeshua or Jesus from Nazareth, the Christos or Christ the Messiah. God said in Genesis 6:3, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever.” When we hear or sense the conviction of the Holy Spirit we must respond to it immediately, because it might not always be there.

“And you were dead in trespasses and sins,1 Footnote: 1v.5 and 5:14, Mt. 8:22, Rom. 8:6, Col. 2:13, 1 Tim. 5:6, 1 John 3:14, Rev. 3:1. ” (Ephesians 2:1 The Scriptures 1998+)

Man concludes that an issue is right or wrong based on the information he has at his disposal, including the Word of God.  God determines that an issue is right or wrong based on His absolute Righteousness and Justice.  Man’s freedom of will and the capacity to act in accord with his decisions mirrors God’s sovereignty.

We do have the capacity in us to accept, respond, understand and relate to the created world on the basis of human or physical phenomena. We ourselves are responsible for everything we do. though at first we may be lost and bound up by our transgression we can work at our ‘soul’ or our thinking every day of our life, as long as we live. So we should be ready to be able to be accepted by God before the moment comes that we shall have to face our death.

We should try to hear the Call of God and react accordingly our will. When we are willing to follow Jesus Christ, the son of God and do what the Father requires of us than God shall call us new creatures in Christ, old ambitions have passed away.

Ordinary flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable, but in Christ we are being cleansed. In case some of us would still be alive when Christ returns,  not all will be in ‘the sleep,’ but believers will all be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.

“And this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood is unable to inherit the reign of Elohim, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming.” “O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?” And the sting of death is the sin, and the power of the sin is the Torah. But thanks to Elohim who gives us the overcoming through our Master יהושע  Messiah. Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always excelling in the work of the Master, knowing that your labour is not in vain in the Master. ” (1 Corinthians 15:50-58 The Scriptures 1998+)
Or do you not know that as many of us as were immersed into Messiah יהושע  were immersed into His death? We were therefore buried with Him through immersion into death, that as Messiah was raised from the dead by the esteem of the Father, so also we should walk in newness of life. For if we have come to be grown together in the likeness of His death, we shall be also of the resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was impaled with Him, so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, to serve sin no longer. For he who has died has been made right from sin. And if we died with Messiah, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Messiah, having been raised from the dead, dies no more – death no longer rules over Him. For in that He died, He died to sin once for all; but in that He lives, He lives to Elohim. So you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to Elohim in Messiah יהושע  our Master.
(Romans 6:3-11 The Scriptures 1998+)

Liberation from Adamitic death by Ransom of Christ Jesus

God has testified about the liberation from death we can enjoy, with signs, wonders, and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit. In history we can find a man placed a little lower than the angels for a little while whom Jehovah had set over the works of His hands. It is by the grace of God that this man from Nazareth tasted death for every man.

It became him giving his brethren necessary experiences to lead them to God, to glory, and to be their elder brother. It was necessary that a perfect man should die, that Adam and the race condemned in him might be released from death by a resurrection.  As a fitting ransom or substitute he gave his body. He, the ransomer of all, is their Head, their Chief, the Captain of their salvation, the Inaugurator,  the captain hierarch, of their salvation perfect through sufferings. In the man who was willing to pay the ransom for all we can see the sanctifier, Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus.

“Therefore, set-apart brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, closely consider the Emissary and High Priest of our confession, Messiah יהושע” (Hebrews 3:1 The Scriptures 1998+)
“But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the messengers, יהושע, because of the suffering of death crowned with esteem and respect, that by the favour of Elohim He should taste death for everyone. For it was fitting for Him, because of whom all are and through whom all are, in bringing many sons to esteem, to make the Princely Leader of their deliverance perfect through sufferings. For both He who sets apart and those who are being set apart are all of One, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I shall announce Your Name to My brothers,1 in the midst of the congregation I shall sing praise to You.” Footnote: 1Ps. 22:22, Ps. 45:17, John 17:6 & 26. And again, “I shall put My trust in Him.” And again, “See, I and the children whom Elohim gave Me.” Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself similarly shared in the same, so that by means of His death He might destroy him having the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver those who throughout life were held in slavery by fear of death. For, doubtless, He does not take hold of messengers, but He does take hold of the seed of Aḇraham. So in every way He had to be made like His brothers, in order to become a compassionate and trustworthy High Priest in matters related to Elohim, to make atonement for the sins of the people. For in what He had suffered, Himself being tried, He is able to help those who are tried.
(Hebrews 2:9-18 The Scriptures 1998+)

We all should know that there is only one God. He is the one who had taken care that His son could show the way to Him. God, the invisible (1 Timothy 1:17) who is our Father is also the Saviour-God, but is also the Father of Christ Jesus, who is the Saviour-man.  Christ Jesus, only begotten son of God, is the only one who can bring us to God. Jesus was truly human, and he gave himself to rescue all of us.

God, the One giving life to all persons and all things, and before Christ Jesus, the one having to testify before Pontius Pilate the good confession, for us to keep the commandment spotless and blameless or, above reproach, until the Appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which He will reveal in His own times and even Jesus did not know when he was going to return. The blessed and only Sovereign, the King of the ones being kings and Lord of the ones exercising lordship, the only One having immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one of people saw nor is able to see, to whom is honour and eternal might or, dominion!
Those believing in the Only One God and in the son He has given to the world  all things richly for enjoyment, to be doing good, to be growing rich in good works, and to be generous, ready to share, treasuring or, storing up for ourselves a good foundation for the coming time, so that we shall take hold of eternal life.

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Jesus pulls Adam and Eve out of their graves that lead to Hell or Limbo before he resurrects. This is explained by some as the Last Judgment. - Chora Church/Museum, Istanbul,fresco,Anastasis, Harrowing of Hell and Resurrection - Photo Gunnar Bach Pedersen

God’s son is not able to be doing anything of himself. It is because the Father affectionately loves the Son and shows to him all which He Himself does, and greater works than these He will show to Him, so that every one shall be marvelling. For even as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave also to the Son to be having life in himself. For even as the Father raises the dead ones and makes alive, so also the Son makes alive whom he wills. For neither does the Father judge anyone, but He has given all judgement to the Son, so that all shall be honouring the Son just as they honour the Father.

Jesus has received everything of his Father. We should accept that he did not have it from himself. But all that the Father has given to him will come to him, and the one coming to Jesus he shall by no means cast out. Because Jesus have come down out of heaven, not so that he was going to do his own will, but the will of the One having sent him, namely his Father the Only One God Jehovah. In him who was been sent by his Father and who did the Will of the Father we should trust and know that we shall be able to find eternal life, because it is this Son of god, Jesus Christ the Messiah who will raise the believer up on the last day.

“For there is one Elohim,1 and one Mediator between Elohim and men, the Man Messiah יהושע, Foornote: 11 Cor. 8:6, Eph. 4:6, Mk. 12:29-34. who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be witnessed in its own seasons,” (1 Timothy 2:5-6 The Scriptures 1998+)
“In the sight of Elohim who gives life to all, and of Messiah יהושע who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, I charge you: that you guard the command1 spotlessly, blamelessly, until the appearing of our Master יהושע ? Messiah, Footnote: 1Command (singular) often means commands, e.g. Dt. 17:20, Ps. 19:8. which in His own seasons He shall reveal – the blessed and only Ruler, the Sovereign of sovereigns and Master of masters, who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or is able to see, to whom be respect and everlasting might. Amĕn. ” (1 Timothy 6:13-16 The Scriptures 1998+)

““And whoever wishes to be first among you, let him be your servant, even as the Son of Aḏam did not come to be served, but to serve,1 and to give His life as a ransom for many.” Footnote:1See Mark 10:45 and Isa. 49:1-7.” (Matthew 20:27-28 The Scriptures 1998+)

““For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all that He Himself does. And greater works than these He is going to show Him, in order that you marvel. “For as the Father raises the dead and makes alive, even so the Son makes alive whom He wishes. “For the Father judges no one, but has given all the judgment to the Son, that all should value the Son even as they value the Father. He who does not value the Son does not value the Father who sent Him. “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me possesses everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. “Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of Elohim. And those having heard shall live. “For as the Father possesses life in Himself, so He gave also to the Son to possess life in Himself, and He has given Him authority also to do judgment, because He is the Son of Ad?am. “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practised evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me. “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. “There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. ” (John 5:20-32 The Scriptures 1998+)

“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone guards My Word he shall never see death at all.”  (John 8:51 The Scriptures 1998+)
““All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I shall by no means cast out. “Because I have come down out of the heaven, not to do My own desire, but the desire of Him who sent Me. “This is the desire of the Father who sent Me, that all He has given Me I should not lose of it, but should raise it in the last day. “And this is the desire of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him should possess everlasting life. And I shall raise him up in the last day.” ” (John 6:37-40 The Scriptures 1998+)

Death destroyed

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The Last Judgment - circa 1551 Circle of Pieter Pourbus (circa 1523/1524–1584) (1524–1584)

“If in this life only we have expectation in Messiah, we are of all men the most wretched. But now Messiah has been raised from the dead, and has become the first-fruit of those having fallen asleep. For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a Man. For as all die in Aḏam, so also all shall be made alive in Messiah . And each in his own order: Messiah the first-fruits, then those who are of Messiah at His coming, then the end, when He delivers up the reign to Elohim the Father, when He has brought to naught all rule and all authority and power. For He has to reign until He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be brought to naught is death. For “He has put all under His feet.” But when He says “all are put under Him,” it is clear that He who put all under Him is excepted. And when all are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself shall also be subject to Him who put all under Him, in order that Elohim be all in all.” (1 Corinthians 15:19-28 The Scriptures 1998+)

““And Elohim shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away.” ” (Revelation 21:4 The Scriptures 1998+)
“And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and the grave gave up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. And the death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death.1 Footnote: 1See 2:11, 20:6, 21:8. ” (Revelation 20:13-14 The Scriptures 1998+)

“He shall swallow up death forever, and the Master יהוה shall wipe away tears from all faces, and take away the reproach of His people from all the earth. For יהוה has spoken. And it shall be said in that day, “See, this is our Elohim. We have waited for Him, and He saves us. This is יהוה , we have waited for Him, let us be glad and rejoice in His deliverance.” ” (Isaiah 25:8-9 The Scriptures 1998+)

The first death comes to an end by Christ Jesus, but after the thousand years shall come for some the last death to be destroyed for ever.

Those who oppose God, often called the devils or Satan that deceived others shall be into “the lake of fire and brimstone” the hell or sheol, the grave, where also the murderers, adulterers,  sexual sinners, sorcerers , idolaters, all the liars, false prophets and the God haters,  shall be tormented in the knowledge they were wrong and now have to diminish for ever.  They shall disappear in the grave and death and Hades (the grave) will be were cast into the “lake of fire”, the destruction. This moment of devastation shall bring annihilation. This obliteration for the wicked being the second death.

“And when the thousand years have ended, Satan shall be released from his prison, and he shall go out to lead the nations astray which are in the four corners of the earth, Goḡ and Maḡoḡ, to gather them together for battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. And they came up over the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the set-apart ones and the beloved city. And fire came down from Elohim out of the heaven and consumed them. And the devil, who led them astray, was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet are. And they shall be tortured day and night forever and ever. And I saw a great white throne and Him who was sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before the throne, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged from what was written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and the grave gave up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. And the death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death.1 Footnote: 1See 2:11, 20:6, 21:8. And if anyone was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. ” (Revelation 20:7-15 The Scriptures 1998+)
““But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.” ” (Revelation 21:8 The Scriptures 1998+)

Therefore let us not being corrupted, be thirsting from the ‘spring of the water of life’ Jesus Christ the Messiah without cost. Hoping to be by the ones having been written in the Scroll of Life of the Lamb of God.

Let us look forward to the Return of Christ and to the moment that Jehovah will wipe away tears from off all faces. That day when many shall see the Father of יהושע Jesus (Jeshua) and call out “this is our God”; we have waited for him, and He will save us: this is Jehovah; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

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Please do find also:

  1. Atonement
  2. Dead and after
  3. Destination of righteous
  4. Destination of the earth
  5. Evil in the Bible
  6. Fallen Angels
  7. God’s design in the creation of theworld
  8. God’s His reward
  9. God’s promises
  10. Hope
  11. Kingdom of God what will it be like
  12. New covenant
  13. One mediator
  14. Patient waiting
  15. Ressurection of Jesus Christ
  16. Satan or the devil
  17. Sheol or the grave
  18. Soul
  19. Immortality, eternality – onsterfelijkheid, eeuwigheid
  20. Dying or not
  21. What happens when we die?
  22. Place to be in Death #1 Becoming dust
  23. Place to be in Death #2 Made to live
  24. Place to be in Death #3 Whereabouts and condition of the dead
  25. Place to be in Death #4 Establishement of a new world
  26. Separation from God in death, the antithesis of life
  27. The Soul not a ghost
  28. Heaven, pets, and souls
  29. Decomposition, decay – vergaan, afsterven, ontbinding
  30. Human Nature: What does the Bible teach?
  31. If Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life be
  32. Rapture articles Rapture Exposed
    1.       Rapture what does it mean?
    2.       The Rapture or admittance with Christ
    3.       Gather together with Jesus Christ
    4.       Raptured in clouds

In Dutch:

  1. Wat gebeurt er als wij sterven
  2. De Bijbel onze Gids #4 De Staat van de Doden
  3. Al of niet onsterfelijkheid
  4. Leven na de dood
  5. Lichaam en ziel één
  6. Zo maar gerechtvaardigd?
  7. De hoop op leven
  8. Immortality, eternality – onsterfelijkheid, eeuwigheid
  9. Onsterfelijkheid – Immortaliteit
  10. Ontbinding
  11. Wij zijn sterfelijk en zullen tot stof vergaan
  12. Tot bewust zijn komen voor huidig leven
  13. Hoe zullen de doden weer levend gemaakt worden?
  14. Rapture of Wegvoering blootgelegd:
    1.      Wat betekent Rapture of Vervoering?
    2.       De vervoering of toegang met Christus
    3.       Verzamelen met Jezus Christus
    4.       Vervoering in de wolken
  15. God liefhebbenden gerechtvaardigd
  16. In leven na dood gelovende Duitsers
  17. Praten tot de doden
  18. Zo maar gerechtvaardigd?
  19. De dood niet vrezen
  20. Omgaan met de dood
  21. Lam van God #2 Jezus moest sterven

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  • Jesus begotten Son of God #14 Beloved Preminent Son and Mediator originating in Mary (christadelphians.wordpress.com)
  • Too Soon? (withapology.wordpress.com)
    Yahshua also knew the goal. In order for the redemption to be just and complete Yahshua could not have been given a better shot.
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    Yahshua knowingly and willingly faced death because he knew it would benefit others, that seems like a kind of guy you would like to keep around. Yahshua, like Adam, however was tempted with the short cut.
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    We have less of an excuse then Adam did. Adam spoiled his dinner by eating from the cookie jar too soon, yet all we eat are the cookies because we refuse to do differently. A part of that is due to the sin nature. However since the death, resurrection, and ascension of Yahshua we don’t even have that excuse to fall back on. Yahshua died to give us the grace to not only overcome temptation, but to overcome the cause of temptation, the curse of the Tree of Knowledge. We do this by doing what Adam should have done.
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    Yahweh knows that knowledge is a powerful tool, and that people with powerful tools usually hurt themselves. So be patient and obey his commands. By doing so we can make the right decisions and we can then apply wisdom to our knowledge of Good and Evil.
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Self inflicted misery #4 To whom to listen

Posted on July 26, 2011. Filed under: Jehovah יהוה YHWH JHVH God Elohim Yahweh Jahweh, Jesus Christ Jeshua the Messiah Jahushua | Tags: , , , , , , |

Self inflicted misery to bear

4.     To whom to listen

As Christians we better listen to the one whose title we use in our name: Christians. The Christ, Jesus or Yeshua, the Nazarene often talked about his Father who showed His love to the world. The master teacher knew that many people accused his loving Father of bringing on the disasters on to their world. But he found it worse that they also accused people of having done something wrong or something against God, because they had an illness or because they were handicapped. Those who listened to Jesus and saw him at work could hear how it was not according Gods will but because of accidents, disease or natural phenomena that suffering came onto men not as a form of retribution from God.

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Resurrection: Son of God Jesus triumphs over death - Der Auferstandene 1558

One day when Jesus went on his way, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples put a question to him, saying, “Master, was it because of this man’s sin, or the sin of his father and mother, that he has been blind from birth?” Jesus said in answer, “It was not because of his sin, or because of his father’s or mother’s; it was so that the works of God might be seen openly in him.”

“Jesus answered: “Neither this person or his parents sinned, but rather so that the works of The God might become manifest by means of this blind man.” (John 9:3 MHM)

Here we hear the same as on another occasion when he mentioned that the end of this disease shall not death, but the glory of God, so that the Son of God may have glory because of it

“Having heard this, Jesus said: “This sickness does not have death as its purpose, but rather it is because of the glory of The God, so that the Son of The God might be glorified because of it.”” (John 11:4 MHM)

At that time it was naturally important that people could see the signs to recognize the Messiah. People had to get to know the Christos or Christ. There were also other people in Jesus time who could heal others, but that never happened in the way Jesus did. When Jesus was telling other s their sins were forgiven, everybody could think everybody could tell that and nobody could verify if that would really happen. But having people who were handicapped from their childhood and were nothing had helped to get them better, or even having had people who had been declared death and even were already buried, to have them talking and walking around again was something nobody else could do. By doing such miracles, then people could have belief in the works Jesus did. Even if they had no belief in this person, who was a son of a poor craftsman, they could become convinced that there was something special happening. And Jesus never claimed he was it that was doing those things. He never took it on him, being the healer or the miracle worker. He always made it clear that it was his Father, and not him. So that the people at that time, but also we today, could see clearly and be certain that the Father is with and in him.

“But if I am doing them, and if you do not believe me, you Jews believe the works. Believe so that you may realize, and continue to realize, that the Father is in me and I in the Father.”” (John 10:38 MHM)

“Jesus answered them: “I told you Jews and yet you do not believe. The works I do in the name of my Father, these testify about me.” (John 10:25 MHM)

We should be able to recognize the union, which is not the same as equality, with the Father, so that the world may be convinced that Jehovah God had sent this man Jesus. (John 17:21) For Jesus it was important that people got to know that God had sent him. But they also had to know that the Creator of this earth loved His creation like He loved Jesus. (John 17:23)

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Continues: Self inflicted misery #5 A prophet without a hedge around him

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Fragments from the Book of Job #6: chapters 38-42

Posted on June 23, 2011. Filed under: Bible Study and Bible Reading, Jehovah יהוה YHWH JHVH God Elohim Yahweh Jahweh, Satan and Evil, Suffering | Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , |

In his concluding speech in chapter 31, Job did demand that God appear before him, and in a sense, it is somewhat surprising for Elihu to appear instead.  But can a man command God to appear? Do we have the right or authority to demand the Most High to appear before us?
Job’s concluding remarks in chapter 31 could unlikely in some way compel the Almighty Elohimto appear.

Job restored to prosperity

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Elihu came in between the discussion because he found lots of things said to Job but also about God were not right. He had found that multiple words against God were uttered, charging God of doing nothing about wickedness or even using evil things to vindicate. Though we can find some kind of truth and authority in the words from Job’s three friends Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar, they grated on the nerves of Elihu and angered God. It was not because God kept His silence that He did not listen or did not care, nor lost control over nation or man (Job 34:29-30). Also Elihu had the wrong idea about God working with His people. This sometimes arrogant looking person ends up offering a similar argument to that of the three friends: God is greater than man (Job 33:12) and thus he must have intended to warn or rebuke Job (Job 33: 14–30). He even hopes that Job’s trials will continue either until he recants or, if he does not recant, until he dies (Job 34:36-37) and states Job’s complaint that godliness avails a man nothing (Job 35:1-4). He also declared that God is too lofty to be affected either by godliness or ungodliness, which only affect other people (Job 35:5-8 ). An other fault brought forwards to those who are unlucky is that unanswered prayers would be because of the lack of faith of those who pray and to the emptiness of the prayer (Job 35:-16). Elihu at moments continued to attack Job in the line of the other three older friends (e.g., Job 34: 10-37; 35:16). He also suggested that Job had not recognized and maybe even had ignored the ways in which God had spoken to him (Job 33:14). The continual appeal for Job by the four friends to simply repent of whatever evil he has done is an obvious misdiagnosis, in light of the prologue (chapters 1-2) and on the other elements Job brought forward to plea for his justice, recapitulated by Elihu at the opening of his speech (Job 33:6, 9; 34:5-9).

Elihu, who sometimes handled as if he were thinking to be like a prophet, shed already a further light on the matter that the creator of the universe cannot be unjust (Job 32:18–20; 34:10-28). Perhaps we may be called men of understanding, but there are a lot of things we do not understand and who are to complex to grasp and to get over with. Often we can’t make God out because He is beyond us. We sometimes can’t get His meaning or miss the point of what He says and does. The Spirit God seems difficult to grasp, but He is not so incomprehensible as we think. We just should concentrate more on the essentials of Him.

In the Book of Job we got an idea in what ways evil come to this earth and how evil people suffer as well (Job 15:14-16, 20-35). Failure comes to many. In the many speeches from chapters 3 to 37 we heard the flawless logic but wounding thrusts of those who insisted on the traditional theology that it was indisputable that God is almighty, perfectly just and that no human can be pure in Gods sight. On the other hand we have to face the problem of godly, just people who suffer. In this Book from the Book of Books the author can give us some encouragement by showing us that our suffering provides an occasion like no other for exemplifying what true godliness is for human beings. As in the other books of the Bible we can get a picture of righteous people who suffer ‘unjust’ but, though they have to fight against certain thoughts, still continue to go strong for their beloved Creator and His creation.

Job being answered by God - from Byzantine manuscript - Megisti Lavra Monastery,Codex B. 100, 12th century

When we started this study of the Book of Job we mentioned the accuser of God. Satan, the adversary who brought a radical assault on God and godly people. When God called up the name of Job before the accuser and testified to his righteous, the Almighty is called a fool and His followers even more fools. Is it not that humans prefer to love the gifts of the Creator then the Creator Himself? It is up to men to proof that he not tries to pleases God merely for the sake of his benefits. Job did good things he told us, but not in the hope to get something in return. Are you “religious” and “good” because it pays? Do you want something in return for the good things you do?
That is an other subject tackled in the Book of Job. Which position do we as humans want to take in our life here on earth? How do we want to place ourselves against other people. How do we want to face the One from who we get all this around us? Job faced toward God with anguish, puzzlement, anger and bitter complaints. How do we want to look at our Creator? And when we do not hear our answers, at first, answered how can we cope with that seemingly silent Authority? but are we sure that this God, ruler of the universe, is really silent? We should know that He has given His Words to be with us every day. Most of the answers we have to know are handed over to us. We just have to grasp them. It is to us to take them at hand and to read them, to be able to hear them. So we cannot say God does not give the answers to us. He has given them already to all those who want to have them.

Only we do have to understand that we can not desire to get to know God thoroughly. Longing to know God is very good. But to read Him like a book is not possible. It is not so easy to have God taped in full. We cannot expect hat at the end of our life we shall know everything about God. It would be foolish wisdom to think that. We shall not be able to control everything, because that belongs to God. But He is willing to share parts of His knowledge with us. He is willing to give wisdom to His creatures. However Job’s experience makes bitterly clear to him that his friends “wisdom” cannot fathom the truth of his situation. No, the wisdom we can get does not bring the answers we would like to hear or see. Sometimes it can frustrate us. It can make us hungry. Wisdom and truth is discerned through hearing, just as the quality of food is discerned through tasting (Job 34:3). We better listen today to the Wisdom of God to get some ray of understanding some things and be  satisfied with what we already can get for answers at the moment. Patience is a good virtue. We should be pleased already that we can receive enough wisdom to comprehend those difficult creatures around us. And as we saw from the different answers of Job friends we do not always have to go by age, or by popularity. We always should remember that from these creaturely things, we as humans cannot learn all of God’s ways. And who are we mere human beings to to talk back to God? Does any object that is created riposte to its maker or will what is formed say to him who formed it, “why did you make me this way?” (Isaiah 29:16,45:9; Romans 9:20) “Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus?” (Romans 9:20 ASV)
Who in the world do we think we are to second-guess God? Do you for one moment suppose any of us knows enough to call God into question? Clay doesn’t talk back to the fingers that mould it, saying, “Why did you shape me like this?”
For us it is perhaps best to recognise who is the Superior and not to deny God above (Job 31:28 ), recognising also the fact that our time on earth is also just a temporarily situation, and that the man who responds submissively to God’s dealings with him will regain health and joy (Job 33:25-28 ) Yes the Book of Job sheds also a light on what we might expect after death. When we die we shall all land up in the grave, the oppressors and the oppressed, they all shall perish and we shall not be able to take anything of our wealth or fame into our grave, the place of  departure (Job 27:15-23; Psalm 164:4 Isaiah 38:18). For the wealthy as well as the poor, the happy as the sufferers it shall be be as the animals (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20) When God does not look at them any more, or His face is veiled, they shall be troubled; when He takes away their breath, they come to an end, and go back to the dust. “Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled; Thou {1} takest away their breath, they die, And return to their dust. {1) Or gatherest in}” (Psalms 104:29 ASV) “and the dust returneth to the earth as it was, and the spirit returneth unto God who gave it.” (Ecclesiastes 12:7 ASV) Let us take Paul’s words into our hearth: “We speak wisdom, however, among them that are fullgrown: yet a wisdom not of this {1} world, nor of the rulers of this {1} world, who are coming to nought: {1) Or age; and so in verses 7, 8; but not in verse 12}” (1 Corinthians 2:6 ASV)
Job will pass the supreme test of all true godliness, namely, to live by the wisdom God had given him, having the fear of the Most High Jehovah God and to depart from evil (Job 28:28 ),  and acknowledging the limits of human wisdom. Are we prepared to be satisfied with the brain we got and with what it can cope?

Elihu repeatedly stated that the purpose of God’s speaking to a person in the way he described is to keep “his soul from the pit” (also Job 33:18, 22, 24, 28, 30). Thus he implies that Job’s suffering may be a corrective of his overall path rather than simply punishment for some hidden sin. Though God does not five a warning finger to Elihu we can find God answer in the rest of the Bible. God response to Job will include some vocabulary and references that are similar to portions of Elihu Barachel (meaning either “may God bless” or “God has blessed”) his speeches, but He does not commend either Elihu’s suggested reasons for Job’s suffering or his anger against Job.

The Holy Spirit = Power of God

Elihu had played on the words “spirit” and “breath” in his early speeches (see also Job 33:4; 34:14) in the way most likely to evoke Job’s earlier plea (Job 27:2–3) as he asserted his own right to speak. But he rightly let us know that God is the Spirit, and it is His breath, the live in Him that brings us His Words. It is this breath or  Holy “Spirit” which is the “power” that can enlighten us.

“For he (God) needeth not further to consider a man, That he should go before God in judgment.” (Job 34:23 ASV)  So God Almighty will not lay upon man more than right, that he should enter into judgement with God. Let us look at these words of the Lord of lords where He asks what evil or iniquity people have seen in Him that they have gone far from Him, and have walked after what is false,  worthless idols, worthlessness, vanity, and are become vain or become themselves nothings?
“thus saith Jehovah, What unrighteousness have your fathers found in me, that they are gone far from me, and have walked after vanity, and are become vain?” (Jeremiah 2:5 ASV)

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Brenton Translation
1851 by Lancelot Brenton

Job Chapters 38-41

Job 38:1 And after Elius had ceased from speaking, the Lord spoke to Job through the whirlwind and clouds, [saying],
Job 38:2 Who is this that hides counsel from me, and confines words in [his] heart, and thinks to conceal [them] from me?

Job 38:3 Gird thy loins like a man; and I will ask thee, and do thou answer me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I founded the earth? tell me now, if thou hast knowledge,
Job 38:5 who set the measures of it, if thou knowest? or who stretched a line upon it?
Job 38:6 On what are its rings fastened? and who is he that laid the corner-stone upon it?

Job 38:7 When the stars were made, all my angels praised me with a loud voice.
Job 38:8 And I shut up the sea with gates, when it rushed out, coming forth out its mother’s womb.
Job 38:9 And I made a cloud its clothing, and swathed it in mist.
Job 38:10 And I set bounds to it, surrounding it with bars and gates.
Job 38:11 And I said to it, Hitherto shalt thou come, but thou shalt not go beyond, but thy waves shall be confined within thee.
Job 38:12 Or did I order the morning light in thy time; and [did] the morning star [then first] see his appointed place;
Job 38:13 to lay hold of the extremities of the earth, to cast out the ungodly out of it?

Job 38:14 Or didst thou take clay of the ground, and form a living creature, and set it with the power of speech upon the earth?
Job 38:15 And hast thou removed light from the ungodly, and crushed the arm of the proud?
Job 38:16 Or hast thou gone to the source of the sea, and walked in the tracks of the deep?
Job 38:17 And do the gates of death open to thee for fear; and did the porters of hell quake when they saw thee?
Job 38:18 And hast thou been instructed in the breadth of the [whole earth] under heaven? tell me now, what is the extent of it?
Job 38:19 And in what kind of a land does the light dwell? and of what kind is the place of darkness?
Job 38:20 If thou couldest bring me to their [utmost] boundaries, and if also thou knowest their paths;
Job 38:21 I know then that thou wert born at that time, and the number of thy years is great.

Job 38:22 But hast thou gone to the treasures of snow? and hast thou seen the treasures of hail?
Job 38:23 And is there a store [of them], for thee against the time of [thine] enemies, for the day of wars and battle?
Job 38:24 And whence proceeds the frost? or [whence] is the south wind dispersed over the [whole world] under heaven?

Job 38:25 And who prepared a course for the violent rain, and a way for the thunders;
Job 38:26 to rain upon the land where [there is] no man, the wilderness, where there is not a man in it; so as to feed the untrodden and uninhabited [land],
Job 38:27 and cause it to send forth a crop of green herbs?
Job 38:28 Who is the rain’s father? and who has generated the drops of dew?

Job 38:29 And out of whose womb comes the ice? and who has produced the frost in the sky,
Job 38:30 which descends like flowing water? who has terrified the face of the ungodly?

Job 38:31 And dost thou understand the band of Pleias, and hast thou opened the barrier of Orion?
Job 38:32 Or wilt thou reveal Mazuroth in his season, and the evening star with his rays? Wilt thou guide them?

Job 38:33 And knowest thou the changes of heaven, or the events which take place together under heaven?
Job 38:34 And wilt thou call a cloud with thy voice, and will it obey thee with a violent shower of much rain?
Job 38:35 And wilt thou send lightnings, and they shall go? and shall they say to thee, What is [thy pleasure]?

Job 38:36 And who has given to women skill in weaving, or knowledge of embroidery?
Job 38:37 And who is he that numbers the clouds in wisdom, and has bowed the heaven [down] to the earth?
Job 38:38 For it is spread out as dusty earth, and I have cemented it as one hewn stone to another.

Job 38:39 And wilt thou hunt a prey for the lions? and satisfy the desires of the serpents?
Job 38:40 For they fear in their lairs, and lying in wait couch in the woods.
Job 38:41 And who has prepared food for the raven? for its young ones wander and cry to the Lord, in search of food.

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Job 39:1 [Say] if thou knowest the time of the bringing forth of the wild goats of the rock, and [if] thou hast marked the calving of the hinds:
Job 39:2 and [if] thou has hast numbered the full months of their being with young, and [if] thou hast relieved their pangs:
Job 39:3 and hast reared their young without fear; and wilt thou loosen their pangs?
Job 39:4 Their young will break forth; they will be multiplied with offspring: [their young] will go forth, and will not return to them.

Job 39:5 And who is he that sent forth the wild ass free? and who loosed his bands?
Job 39:6 whereas I made his habitation the wilderness, and the salt land his coverts.

Job 39:7 He laughs to scorn the multitude of the city, and hears not the chiding of the tax-gatherer.
Job 39:8 He will survey the mountains [as] his pasture, and he seeks after every green thing.

Job 39:9 And will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or to lie down at thy manger?
Job 39:10 And wilt thou bind his yoke with thongs, or will he plough furrows for thee in the plain?
Job 39:11 And dost thou trust him, because his strength is great? and wilt thou commit thy works to him?
Job 39:12 And wilt thou believe that he will return to thee thy seed, and bring [it] in [to] thy threshing-floor?

Job 39:13 The peacock has a beautiful wing: if the stork and the ostrich conceive, [it is worthy of notice],
Job 39:14 for [the ostrich] will leave her eggs in the ground, and warm them on the dust,
Job 39:15 and has forgotten that the foot will scatter them, and the wild beasts of the field trample them.
Job 39:16 She has hardened [herself] against her young ones, as though [she bereaved] not herself: she labours in vain without fear.
Job 39:17 For God has withholden wisdom from her, and not given her a portion in understanding.
Job 39:18 In her season she will lift herself on high; she will scorn the horse and his rider.

Job 39:19 Hast thou invested the horse with strength, and clothed his neck with terror?
Job 39:20 And hast thou clad him in perfect armour, and made his breast glorious with courage?
Job 39:21 He paws exulting in the plain, and goes forth in strength into the plain.
Job 39:22 He laughs to scorn a king as he meets him, and will by no means turn back from the sword.
Job 39:23 The bow and sword resound against him; and [his] rage will swallow up the ground:
Job 39:24 and he will not believe until the trumpet sounds.
Job 39:25 And when the trumpet sounds, he says, Aha! and afar off he smells the war with prancing and neighing.

Job 39:26 And does the hawk remain steady by thy wisdom, having spread out her wings unmoved, looking toward the region of the south?
Job 39:27 And does the eagle rise at thy command, and the vulture remain sitting over his nest,
Job 39:28 on a crag of a rock, and in a secret [place]?
Job 39:29 Thence he seeks food, his eyes observe from far.
Job 39:30 And his young ones roll themselves in blood, and wherever the carcasses may be, immediately they are found.

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Job 40:1 (39:31) And the Lord God answered Job, and said,
Job 40:2 (39:32) Will [any one] pervert judgment with the Mighty One? and he that reproves God, let him return it for answer.

Job 40:3 (39:33) And Job answered and said to the Lord,
Job 40:4 (39:34) Why do I yet plead? being rebuked even while reproving the Lord: hearing such things, whereas I am nothing: and what shall I answer to these [arguments]? I will lay my hand upon my mouth.
Job 40:5 (39:35) I have spoken once; but I will not do so a second time.

Job 40:6 (40:1) And the Lord yet again answered and spoke to Job out of the cloud, [saying],

Job 40:7 (40:2) Nay, gird up now thy loins like a man; and I will ask thee, and do thou answer me.
Job 40:8 (40:3) Do not set aside my judgment: and dost thou think that I have dealt with thee in any other way, than that thou mightest appear to be righteous?

Job 40:9 (40:4) Hast thou an arm like the Lord’s? or dost thou thunder with a voice like his?
Job 40:10 (40:5) Assume now a lofty bearing and power; and clothe thyself with glory and honour.
Job 40:11 (40:6) And send forth messengers with wrath; and lay low every haughty one.
Job 40:12 (40:7) Bring down also the proud man; and consume at once the ungodly.
Job 40:13 (40:8) And hide them together in the earth; and fill their faces with shame.
Job 40:14 (40:9) [Then] will I confess that thy right hand can save [thee].

Job 40:15 (40:10) But now look at the wild beasts with thee; they eat grass like oxen.
Job 40:16 (40:11) Behold now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
Job 40:17 (40:12) He sets up his tail like a cypress; and his nerves are wrapped together.
Job 40:18 (40:13) His sides are sides of brass; and his backbone is [as] cast iron.

Job 40:19 (40:14) This is the chief of the creation of the Lord; made to be played with by his angels.
Job 40:20 (40:15) And when he has gone up to a steep mountain, he causes joy to the quadrupeds in the deep.

Job 40:21 (40:16) He lies under trees of every kind, by the papyrus, and reed, and bulrush.
Job 40:22 (40:17) And the great trees make a shadow over him with their branches, and [so do] the bushes of the field.
Job 40:23 (40:18) If there should be a flood, he will not perceive it; he trust that Jordan will rush up into his mouth.
Job 40:24 (40:19) [Yet one] shall take him in his sight; [one] shall catch [him] with a cord, and pierce his nose.

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Job 41:1 (40:20) But wilt thou catch the serpent with a hook, and put a halter about his nose?
Job 41:2 (40:21) Or wilt thou fasten a ring in his nostril, and bore his lip with a clasp?
Job 41:3 (40:22) Will he address thee with a petition? softly, with the voice of a suppliant?
Job 41:4 (40:23) And will he make a covenant with thee? and wilt thou take him for a perpetual servant?
Job 41:5 (40:24) And wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or bind him as a sparrow for a child?
Job 41:6 (40:25) And do the nations feed upon him, and the nations of the Phoenicians share him?

Job 41:7 (40:26) And all the ships come together would not be able to bear the mere skin of his tail; neither [shall they carry] his head in fishing-vessels.
Job 41:8 (40:27) But thou shalt lay thy hand upon him [once], remembering the war that is waged by his mouth; and let it not be done any more.

Job 41:9 (41:0) Hast thou not seen him? and hast thou not wondered at the things said [of him]?
Job 41:10 (41:1) Dost thou not fear because preparation has been made by me? for who is there that resists me?

Job 41:11 (41:2) Or who will resist me, and abide, since the whole [world] under heaven is mine?

Job 41:12 (41:3) I will not be silent because of him: though because of his power [one] shall pity his antagonist.

Job 41:13 (41:4) Who will open the face of his garment? and who can enter within the fold of his breastplate?
Job 41:14 (41:5) Who will open the doors of his face? terror is round about his teeth.
Job 41:15 (41:6) His inwards are as brazen plates, and the texture of his [skin] as a smyrite stone.
Job 41:16 (41:7) One [part] cleaves fast to another, and the air cannot come between them.
Job 41:17 (41:8) They will remain united each to the other: they are closely joined, and cannot be separated.

Job 41:18 (41:9) At his sneezing a light shines, and his eyes are [as] the appearance of the morning star.
Job 41:19 (41:10) Out of his mouth proceed as it were burning lamps, and as it were hearths of fire are cast abroad.
Job 41:20 (41:11) Out of his nostrils proceeds smoke of a furnace burning with fire of coals.
Job 41:21 (41:12) His breath is [as] live coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.
Job 41:22 (41:13) And power is lodged in his neck, before him destruction runs.
Job 41:23 (41:14) The flesh also of his body is joined together: [if one] pours [violence] upon him, he shall not be moved.
Job 41:24 (41:15) His heart is firm as a stone, and it stands like an unyielding anvil.
Job 41:25 (41:16) And when he turns, [he is] a terror to the four-footed wild beasts which leap upon the earth.

Job 41:26 (41:17) If spears should come against him, [men] will effect nothing, [either with] the spear or the breast-plate.
Job 41:27 (41:18) For he considers iron as chaff, and brass as rotten wood.
Job 41:28 (41:19) The bow of brass shall not would him, he deems a slinger as grass.
Job 41:29 (41:20) Mauls are counted as stubble; and he laughs to scorn the waving of the firebrand.
Job 41:30 (41:21) His lair is [formed of] sharp points; and all the gold of the sea under him is an immense [quantity of] clay.

Job 41:31 (41:22) He makes the deep boil like a brazen caldron; and he regards the sea as a pot of ointment,
Job 41:32 (41:23) and the lowest part of the deep as a captive: he reckons the deep as [his] range.

Job 41:33 (41:24) There is nothing upon the earth like to him, formed to be sported with by my angels.
Job 41:34 (41:25) He beholds every high thing: and he is king of all that are in the waters.

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Job 42:1 Then Job answered and said to the Lord,
Job 42:2 I know that thou canst do all things, and nothing is impossible with thee.
Job 42:3 For who is he that hides counsel from thee? or who keeps back his words, and thinks to hide them from thee? and who will tell me what I knew not, great and wonderful things which I understood not?
Job 42:4 But hear me, O Lord, that I also may speak: and I will ask thee, and do thou teach me.
Job 42:5 I have heard the report of thee by the ear before; but now mine eye has seen thee.
Job 42:6 Wherefore I have counted myself vile, and have fainted: and I esteem myself dust and ashes.

Job 42:7 And it came to pass after the Lord had spoken all these words to Job, [that] the Lord said to Eliphaz the Thaemanite, Thou hast sinned, and thy two friends: for ye have not said anything true before me, as my servant Job [has].
Job 42:8 Now then take seven bullocks, and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and he shall offer a burnt-offering for you. And my servant Job shall pray for you, for I will only accept him: for but his sake, I would have destroyed you, for ye have not spoken the truth against my servant Job.
Job 42:9 So Eliphaz the Thaemanite, and Baldad the Sauchite, and Sophar the Minaean, went and did as the Lord commanded them: and he pardoned their sin for the sake of Job.

Job 42:10 And the Lord prospered Job: and when he prayed also for his friends, he forgave them [their] sin: and the Lord gave Job twice as much, even the double of what he had before.
Job 42:11 And all his brethren and his sisters heard all that had happened to him, and they came to him, and [so did] all that had known him from the first: and they ate and drank with him, and comforted him, and wondered at all that the Lord had brought upon him: and each one gave him a lamb, and four drachms’ weight of gold, even of unstamped [gold].

Job 42:12 And the Lord blessed the latter end of Job, [more] than the beginning: and his cattle were fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen, a thousand she-asses of the pastures.
Job 42:13 And there were born to him seven sons and three daughters.
Job 42:14 And he called the first Day, and the second Casia, and the third Amalthaea’s horn.
Job 42:15 And there were not found in comparison with the daughters of Job, fairer [women] than they in all the world: and their father gave them an inheritance among their brethren.

Job 42:16 And Job lived after [his] affliction a hundred and seventy years: and all the years he lived were two hundred and forty: and Job saw his sons and his sons’ sons, the fourth generation.
Job 42:17 And Job died, an old man and full of days: (42:17A) and it is written that he will rise again with those whom the Lord raises up. (42:17B) This man is described in the Syriac book [as] living in the land of Ausis, on the borders of Idumea and Arabia: and his name before was Jobab; (42:17C) and having taken an Arabian wife, he begot a son whose name was Ennon. And he himself was the son of his father Zare, one of the sons of Esau, and of his mother Bosorrha, so that he was the fifth from Abraam. (42:17D) And these were the kings who reigned in Edom, which country he also ruled over: first, Balac, the son of Beor, and the name of his city was Dennaba: but after Balac, Jobab, who is called Job, and after him Asom, who was governor out of the country of Thaeman: and after him Adad, the son of Barad, who destroyed Madiam in the plain of Moab; and the name of his city was Gethaim. (42:17E) And [his] friends who came to him were Eliphaz, of the children of Esau, king of the Thaemanites, Baldad sovereign of the Sauchaeans, Sophar king of the Minaeans.

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Continues: Fragments from the Book of Job #7 Epilogue

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“For He will not lay upon man more than right, that he should enter into judgment with God.” (Job 34:23 KJ21)

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Note:

The Holy Spirit is the Author of Scripture; therefore the Word of God is inseparable from the Spirit of God. God is Spirit and the Holy spirit is not on other entity, it is the Power of God itself. The Scriptures introduce the reader to the Holy Spirit and the Spirit applies the truths of the Word to the hearts of the reader. Scripture must be interpreted in the immediate context of personal prayer. The Bible promises over and over that when we seek God, he will be found. The same is true if we seek his power. The “knowledge of God” is an essential feature of Christian attainment, according to the apostolic standard. Those “who know not God” are among those whom vengeance is to overtake (2 Thessalonians 1: 8). Knowledge of God is the basis of sonship to God. Without it, we cannot enter the divine family. How can we love and serve a being whom we do not know? Knowledge is the foundation of all. It is the rock upon which everlasting life itself is built. “This is life eternal, that they might know Thee, The Only True God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent” (John 27: 3).

Prayer is the medium that brings individuals into contact with the same Spirit who inspired the writers of the Bible. To hear what the Spirit of the Only One God is saying through the Word you must encounter God through prayer. Prayer is the means that we must use to understand the Word of God. Without the assistance of the Holy Spirit in prayer, our Bible study will be in vain. Let us ask for the Spirit to speak to us through the Word.

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Fragments from the Book of Job #3: chapters 21-26

Posted on June 19, 2011. Filed under: Bible Study and Bible Reading, Jehovah יהוה YHWH JHVH God Elohim Yahweh Jahweh, Life and Death, Satan and Evil, Suffering | Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , |

Job and his friends agreed that God is omnipotent, omniscient, has all the wisdom and strength, is just, and perfectly good. They could bring forwards that an omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence and has  the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence. God can just say anything and it will happen.

The deceived and the deceiver are His, no matter what happens and how the mighty may think they can rule the earth, they shall find their end as anybody else. Perhaps even worse, because the world can turn against them. For he has crushed and abandoned the poor; he has seized a house that he did not build, he can have get to a point where those oppressed turn against him. Zophar argued that neither the wicked man (Job 20: 12–19) nor his offspring (Job 20: 10) will enjoy the benefits of what he has acquired, because he has gained it through the oppression of others (Job 20:19–21). Now Job is going to argue not only that the wicked prosper and their offspring flourish (Job 21: 7–8), but also that their lives often appear unhindered by any of the signs of judgment that the friends so confidently describe Job 21:9–13). Furthermore, Job points out that the evidence for what he is claiming is not even concealed by the wicked themselves, who choose to follow their pursuits with open indifference to and even proclaimed defiance against the Lord (Job 21:14–16).

When bad people at their time on earth managed to do evil things you can wonder how from those bad things could come good things. ( Job 14:4 ) “Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean?” Job describes human life as hard and short, a theme already declared to the friends in 7:1–10, and uses this question and answer to point out that no mortal is able to work outside of the limits that God has set (see also 14:5). The light of the sinner shall be put out, and the flame of his fire shall not shine any more.  The steps of his strength shall have become short, and by his design destruction shall overtake him. The oh so mighty shall also be overcome by fears on every side, which shall go after him at every step. His strength shall be made feeble for need of food, and destruction shall be waiting for his falling footstep. Like all people he shall have to face the other side of life, being sent away from the light into the dark; forced out of the world. At his fate those of the west are shocked, and those of the east are overcome with fear. Truly, these are the houses of the sinner, and this is the place of him who has no knowledge of God. Yes we may be sure, nobody can escape death. Under the earth his roots are dry, and over it his branch is cut off. His memory is gone from the earth, and in the open country there is no knowledge of his name. (Job 18:5-21)

In Fragments from the Book of Job #2: chapters 12-20 we read that Eliphaz, who gives his third and last speech (Job 22:1-30), revisited the central questions of his first response (see 4:17–21): if God does not trust fully even his heavenly servants (15:15), how can Job, as a mere man (Job 15: 14), continue to protest his innocence (Job 15:16)? Though Job is a unblemished person Eliphaz portrays the wicked man to implicate Job. The evil man is in pain all his days, and the number of the years stored up for the cruel seems to be small. The wicked shall get a sound of fear in his ears; in time of peace destruction will come on him. For him there shall come a time that there shall not be any hope of coming safe out of the dark, and his fate will be the dead. Then he may be certain that the day of trouble shall be ready for him. Though many may think he is not frightened, he also shall greatly be in fear of that what shall come over him, the gloomy moments with trouble and pain.
We may be sure any adversary of God, every one who stretches his hand out against God, and lifts his heart up against the Ruler of all, shall one day have to face the consequences of it.  (Job 15:21-25)

Job Speaks with His Friends (Job 2:1-13)

Job Speaks with His Friends (Job 2:1-13) - Doré's English Bible 1866

From the text we may see that Job his friends have failed as comforters (16:2–5), even though comfort was their original purpose for coming to him (see 2:11). Their condemnation leaves death as Job’s only hope, but to long for death is to give up on any possibility of vindication and is no hope at all (17:10–16). We, no matter what happens have received the hope of the Blessed Tidings. In case we believe in the Good Tidings and in the beautiful prospects God has promised we do not have to worry, because man can do us not as much as he thinks and cannot bring death over us. We also have to realise as Job that God alone is our hope for vindication. This was not clear to Job at first ( 16:21 distinguishes the “witness” from God but became more clear later; cf. 19:25.)

Sometimes it may look that the graveyard is ready for us. (Job 17:1) Believing that God has giving a solution and trusting in his son and that things are destined to occur (Luke 21:7), knowing that we as animals have a time for birth and a time to die or to be caught and destroyed. So let us be as the living be conscious that death will come to us, but that the dead are not conscious of anything, and they no longer have a reward, because there is no memory of them, so the evildoers shall have to face the same nothingness. Their love and their hate and their envy shall than be ended; and they have no longer a part for ever in anything which is done under the sun. (Ecclesiastes 3:19; 9:5-6; 2 Peter 2:12)

Last time Job concluded with the wish that his belief in God’s vindication of him would be inscribed in rock as a permanent witness (Job 19: 23–27) and with a warning to his friends against continuing to pursue him with such anger and certainty that they are right, lest they fall under the very sort of judgement they assume has fallen on Job (Job 19: 28–29). Job now gives his last reply to his friends (Job 27:1-31:40) with a protestation of innocence (Job 27:1-23) and a pronouncement concerning wisdom (Job 28:1-28) and a panorama of his life (Job 29:1-31:40).

Do we want to listen the council of God? And do you limit wisdom to yourself? Do we know that our Redeemer lives?

Job had almost stumbled, how is it with us? do we not often have such bad moments that we are envious for the others  ones’, the ones who do not believe and seem to have it so much better than us? Did our steps not nearly slipped as did Jobs and King David’s? (Psalm 73:2-3). Have we not such moments that we have the same as those examples in the Old Testament, being envious of the arrogant when we see the prosperity of the wicked?

In addition to the argument that a person’s circumstances are not necessarily a transparent indicator of blessing or judgement, there is an additional warning embedded in Job’s description: many people are fooled by the external circumstances of the evil man (who is the subject of this description, see Job 31: 30-34) into following him in life and honouring him in death.

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Brenton Translation
1851 by Lancelot Brenton

Job Chapter 21

Job 21:1 But Job answered and said,
Job 21:2 Hear ye, hear ye my words, that I may not have this consolation from you.
Job 21:3 Raise me, and I will speak; then ye shall not laugh me to scorn.
Job 21:4 What! is my reproof of man? and why should I not be angry?

Job 21:5 Look upon me, and wonder, laying your hand upon your cheek.
Job 21:6 For even when I remember, I am alarmed, and pains seize my flesh.
Job 21:7 Wherefore do the ungodly live, and grow old even in wealth?
Job 21:8 Their seed is according to [their] desire, and their children are in [their] sight.
Job 21:9 Their houses are prosperous, neither [have they] any where [cause for] fear, neither is there a scourge from the Lord upon them.
Job 21:10 Their cow does not cast her calf, and their [beast] with young is safe, and does not miscarry.
Job 21:11 And they remain as an unfailing flock, and their children play before [them], taking up the psaltery and harp;
Job 21:12 and they rejoice at the voice of a song.
Job 21:13 And they spend their days in wealth, and fall asleep in the rest of the grave.
Job 21:14 Yet [such a man] says to the Lord, Depart from me; I desire not to know thy ways.

Job 21:15 What is the Mighty One, that we should serve him? and what profit is there that we should approach him?
Job 21:16 For their good things were in [their] hands, but he regards not the works of the ungodly.

Job 21:17 Nevertheless, the lamp of the ungodly also shall be put out, and destruction shall come upon them, and pangs of vengeance shall seize them.
Job 21:18 And they shall be as chaff before the wind, or as dust which the storm has taken up.

Job 21:19 Let his substance fail [to supply] his children: [God] shall recompense him, and he shall know it.
Job 21:20 Let his eyes see his own destruction, and let him not be saved by the Lord.
Job 21:21 For his desire is in his house with him, and the number of his months has been suddenly cut off.

Job 21:22 Is it not the Lord who teaches understanding and knowledge? and does not he judge murders?
Job 21:23 One shall die in his perfect strength, and wholly at ease and prosperous;
Job 21:24 and his inwards are full of fat, and his marrow is diffused [throughout him].
Job 21:25 And another dies in bitterness of soul, not eating any good thing.
Job 21:26 But they lie down in the earth together, and corruption covers them.

Job 21:27 So I know you, that ye presumptuously attack me:
Job 21:28 so that ye will say, Where is the house of the prince? and where is the covering of the tabernacles of the ungodly?
Job 21:29 Ask those that go by the way, and do not disown their tokens.
Job 21:30 For the wicked hastens to the day of destruction: they shall be led away for the day of his vengeance.
Job 21:31 Who will tell him his way to his face, whereas he has done [it]? who shall recompense him?
Job 21:32 And he has been led away to the tombs, and he has watched over the heaps.
Job 21:33 The stones of the valley have been sweet to him, and every man shall depart after him, and [there are] innumerable [ones] before him.

Job 21:34 How then do ye comfort me in vain? whereas I have no rest from your molestation.

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Job 22:1 Then Eliphaz the Thaemanite answered and said,
Job 22:2 Is it not the Lord that teaches understanding and knowledge?
Job 22:3 For what matters it to the Lord, if thou wert blameless in [thy] works? or is it profitable that thou shouldest perfect thy way?

Job 22:4 Wilt thou maintain and plead thine own cause? and will he enter into judgment with thee?
Job 22:5 Is not thy wickedness abundant, and thy sins innumerable?
Job 22:6 And thou hast taken security of thy brethren for nothing, and hast taken away the clothing of the naked.
Job 22:7 Neither hast thou given water to the thirsty to drink, but hast taken away the morsel of the hungry.
Job 22:8 And thou hast accepted the persons of some; and thou hast established those [that were already settled] on the earth.
Job 22:9 But thou hast sent widows away empty, and has afflicted orphans.
Job 22:10 Therefore snares have compassed thee, and disastrous war has troubled thee.

Job 22:11 The light has proved darkness to thee, and water has covered thee on thy lying down.
Job 22:12 Does not he that dwells in the high places observe? and has he not brought down the proud?
Job 22:13 And thou has said, What does the Mighty One know? does he judge in the dark?
Job 22:14 A cloud is his hiding-place, and he shall not be seen; and he passes through the circle of heaven.
Job 22:15 Wilt thou [not] mark the old way, which righteous men have trodden?
Job 22:16 who were seized before their time: their foundations [are as] an overflowing stream.

Job 22:17 Who say, What will the Lord do to us? or what will the Almighty bring upon us?
Job 22:18 Yet he filled their houses with good things: but the counsel for the wicked is far from him.
Job 22:19 The righteous have seen [it], and laughed, and the blameless one has derided [them].
Job 22:20 Verily their substance has been utterly destroyed, and the fire shall devour what is left of their [property].

Job 22:21 Be firm, I pray thee, if thou canst endure; then thy fruit shall prosper.
Job 22:22 And receive a declaration from his mouth, and lay up his words in thine heart.

Job 22:23 And if thou shalt turn and humble thyself before the Lord, thou hast [thus] removed unrighteousness far from thy habitation.
Job 22:24 Thou shalt lay up for thyself [treasure] in a heap on the rock; and Sophir [shall be] as the rock of the torrent.

Job 22:25 So the Almighty shall be thy helper from enemies, and he shall bring thee forth pure as silver that has been tried by fire.
Job 22:26 Then shalt thou have boldness before the Lord, looking up cheerfully to heaven.
Job 22:27 And he shall hear thee when thou prayest to him, and he shall grant thee [power] to pay thy vows.
Job 22:28 And he shall establish to thee again a habitation of righteousness and there shall be light upon thy paths.
Job 22:29 Because thou hast humbled thyself; and thou shalt say, [Man] has behaved proudly, but he shall save him that is of lowly eyes.
Job 22:30 He shall deliver the innocent, and do thou save thyself by thy pure hands.

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Job 23:1 Then Job answered and said,
Job 23:2 Yea, I know that pleading is out of my reach; and his hand has been made heavy upon my groaning.
Job 23:3 Who would then know that I might find him, and come to an end [of the matter]?
Job 23:4 And I would plead my own cause, and he would fill my mouth with arguments.
Job 23:5 And I would know the remedies which he would speak to me, and I would perceive what he would tell me.
Job 23:6 Though he should come on me in [his] great strength, then he would not threaten me;
Job 23:7 for truth and reproof are from him; and he would bring forth my judgment to an end.

Job 23:8 For if I shall go first, and exist no longer, still what do I know [concerning] the latter end?
Job 23:9 When he wrought on the left hand, then I observed [it] not: his right hand shall encompass me but I shall not see [it].
Job 23:10 For he knows already my way; and he has tried me as gold.

Job 23:11 And I will go forth according to his commandments, for I have kept his ways; and I shall not turn aside from his commandments,
Job 23:12 neither shall I transgress; but I have hid his words in my bosom.

Job 23:13 And if too he has thus judged, who is he that has contradicted, for he has both willed [a thing] and done it.
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Job 23:15 (23:14) Therefore am I troubled at him; and when I was reproved, I thought of him. (23:15) Therefore let me take good heed before him: I will consider, and be afraid of him.

Job 23:16 But the Lord has softened my heart, and the Almighty has troubled me.
Job 23:17 For I knew not that darkness would come upon me, and thick darkness has covered [me] before my face.

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Job 24:1 But why have the seasons been hidden from the Lord,
Job 24:2 while the ungodly have passed over the bound, carrying off the flock with the shepherd?
Job 24:3 They have led away, the ass of the fatherless, and taken the widow’s ox for a pledge.
Job 24:4 They have turned aside the weak from the right way: and the meek of the earth have hidden themselves together.
Job 24:5 And they have departed like asses in the field, having gone forth on my account according to their own order: his bread is sweet to [his] little ones.
Job 24:6 They have reaped a field that was not their own before the time: the poor have laboured in the vineyards of the ungodly without pay and without food.
Job 24:7 They have caused many naked to sleep without clothes, and they have taken away the covering of their body.
Job 24:8 They are wet with the drops of the mountains: they have embraced the rock, because they had no shelter.
Job 24:9 They have snatched the fatherless from the breast, and have afflicted the outcast.
Job 24:10 And they have wrongfully caused [others] to sleep without clothing, and taken away the morsel of the hungry.
Job 24:11 They have unrighteously laid wait in narrow places, and have not known the righteous way.

Job 24:12 Who have cast forth [the] poor from the city and their own houses, and the soul of the children has groaned aloud.
Job 24:13 Why then has he not visited these? forasmuch as they were upon the earth, and took no notice, and they knew not the way of righteousness, neither have they walked in their [appointed] paths?
Job 24:14 But having known their works, he delivered them into darkness: and in the night one will be as a thief:
Job 24:15 and the eye of the adulterer has watched [for] the darkness, saying, Eye shall not perceive me, and he puts a covering on his face.
Job 24:16 In darkness he digs through houses: by day they conceal themselves securely: they know not the light.
Job 24:17 For the morning is to them all [as] the shadow of death, for [each] will be conscious of the terror of the shadow of death.

Job 24:18 He is swift on the face of the water: let his portion be cursed on the earth; and let their plants be laid bare.
Job 24:19 [Let them be] withered upon the earth; for they have plundered the sheaves of the fatherless.
Job 24:20 Then is his sin brought to remembrance, and he vanishes like a vapour of dew: but let what he has done be recompensed to him, and let every unrighteous one be crushed like rotten wood.
Job 24:21 For he has not treated the barren woman well, and has had no pity on a feeble woman.
Job 24:22 And in wrath he has overthrown the helpless: therefore when he has arisen, [a man] will not feel secure of his own life.

Job 24:23 When he has fallen sick, let him not hope to recover: but let him perish by disease.
Job 24:24 For his exaltation has hurt many; but he has withered as mallows in the heat, or as an ear of corn falling off of itself from the stalk.
Job 24:25 But if not, who is he that says I speak falsely, and will make my words of no account?

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Job 25:1 Then Baldad the Sauchite answered and said,
Job 25:2 What beginning or fear is his—even he that makes all things in the highest?
Job 25:3 For let none think that there is a respite for robbers: and upon whom will there not come a snare from him?
Job 25:4 For how shall a mortal be just before the Lord? or who that is born of a woman shall purify himself?
Job 25:5 If he gives an order to the moon, then it shines not; and the stars are not pure before him.
Job 25:6 But alas! man is corruption, and the son of man a worm.

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Job 26:1 But Job answered and said,
Job 26:2 To whom dost thou attach thyself, or whom art thou going to assist? is it not he that [has] much strength, and [he] who has a strong arm?
Job 26:3 To whom hast thou given counsel? is it not to him who has all wisdom? whom wilt thou follow? is it not one who has the greatest power?
Job 26:4 To whom hast thou uttered words? and whose breath is it that has come forth from thee?

Job 26:5 Shall giants be born from under the water and the inhabitants thereof?
Job 26:6 Hell is naked before him, and destruction has no covering.
Job 26:7 He stretches out the north wind upon nothing, and he upon nothing hangs the earth;
Job 26:8 binding water in his clouds, and the cloud is not rent under it.
Job 26:9 He keeps back the face of his throne, stretching out his cloud upon it.
Job 26:10 He has encompassed the face of the water by an appointed ordinance, until the end of light and darkness.
Job 26:11 The pillars of heaven are prostrate and astonished at his rebuke.
Job 26:12 He has calmed the sea with [his] might, and by [his] wisdom the whale has been overthrown.
Job 26:13 And the barriers of heaven fear him, and by a command he has slain the apostate dragon.
Job 26:14 Behold, these are parts of his way; and we will hearken to him at the least intimation of his word: but the strength of his thunder who knows, when he shall employ [it]?

 

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Continues: Fragments from the Book of Job #4: chapters 27-31

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Fragments from the Book of Job #2: chapters 12-20

Posted on June 18, 2011. Filed under: Bible Study and Bible Reading, Jehovah יהוה YHWH JHVH God Elohim Yahweh Jahweh, Life and Death, Satan and Evil, Suffering | Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , |

Etymologically the name Job could be related to the Hebrew word for “enemy,” with reference to either Job’s attitude to God or his response to suffering. The name might also be a contracted form of “Where is my father?”

In Fragments from the Book of Job #1: chapters 1-12 we could find the blameless and upright man in character, blessed in family and possessions, whose life embodied the fear of God both for himself and on behalf of his family (1:1–5). But then the adversaries and Job’s three friends (Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite) who came to offer sympathy and comfort, were trying to put the wrong doings from Job at the cause of his problems. These friends represent an oversimplified “orthodoxy,” based on a misreading of the wisdom tradition to the effect that all troubles are punishments for wrongdoing. Their “comfort” consists largely of applying this message to Job, urging him to identify his sin and repent of it. In so doing, these friends serve as a mirror for all readers who might be inclined to say similar things to people in distress.

An early engraving by Blake for the Book of Job

An early engraving by Blake for the Book of Job

The book tries to to explain evil and placing the Universal deity that is omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient in it. Throughout the dialogue, Job tries to maintain that he is in the right while also arguing God’s character back to him in lament about why his righteousness and justice do not appear to be borne out in events on earth.

In the previous chapters a light is also shed on the wrong idea that there would be some after life. Job is aware that when we die it is finished and we become put in the ground not being able to do anything. We could look at death as Job describes it, namely as rest from the toil of life. ( Job 3:13–19) When we die we come into a state as if we sleep or as a hidden stillborn child, as infants who never see the light (Job 3:16). All cease from troubling, and there the weary can come at rest and be freed from each other and equal in the same position, to become dust.  For man, when he is dead, perishes, and consumes away, what becomes of him? So man after he is asleep rises not, he shall not wake till the heavens be no more, nor rise out of his sleep. (Job 14:10-12) Therefore Job longs at a certain moment to be cut off of all his problems. so that he could rest from his suffering, knowing that he had not denied God (6:10). Job found his life unbearable on account of the empty comfort offered by his friends (6:14–30) and what he describes as the continued watchfulness of God (7:11–21).

Eliphaz wonders if Mortal Man can  be in the Right before God. Jobs friends are arguing precisely that a righteous person can be in the right before God.

The friends assume that both Job’s circumstances and his response to them are indications that he is in the wrong before God and needs to acknowledge and repent of his sin. However, Job will insist not only that he is not guilty of some hidden iniquity but that it is God who ultimately has allowed and governed his circumstances. So he does not curse God’s name or accuse God of injustice but rather seeks an explanation or an account of his wrong doing.

Bildad wonders how it can be that when a man were blameless,  he could show himself to be right before the God of justice (see 9:2)? And if shame and disaster are the fate of the wicked, how is it that the wicked so often appear to prosper in relative safety (see 12:6; 21:7)?

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Coverdale Bible
1535 by Miles Coverdale

Job Chapter 12

Job 12:2 Then (no doute) ye are the men alone, and wysdome shal perish with you.
Job 12:3 But I haue vnderstodinge as well as ye, and am no lesse then ye. Yee who knoweth not these thinges?
Job 12:4 Thus he that calleth vpo God, and whom God heareth, is mocked of his neghboure: the godly & innocent man is laughed to scorne.
Job 12:5 Godlynesse is a light despysed in ye hertes of the rich, & is set for them to stomble vpon.
Job 12:6 The houses of robbers are in wealth and prosperite, & they that maliciously medle agaynst God, dwel without care: yee God geueth all thinges richely with his honde.

Matthew’s Bible
1549 by John Rogers

Job 12:6 The houses of robbers are in wealth & prosperite, and they that maliciously medle agaynst God, dwell without care: ye God geueth all thinges rychely with hys hande.

Job 12:13 Ye with God is wysdome and strength, it is he that hath councell and forknowlege.
Job 12:14 If he breake downe a thinge, who can set it vp agayne? If he shut a thing, who wyll open it?
Job 12:15 Beholde, yf he witholde the waters, they drye vp: Yf he let them go, they destroye the earth.
Job 12:16 With hym is strength and wysdome: he knoweth bothe the disceyuer & hym that is disceyued.
Job 12:17 He caryeth awaye the wyse men, as it were a spoyle, and bringeth the iudges out of their wyttes.
Job 12:18 He lowseth the gyrdle of kynges, and gyrdeth theyr loynes with a bonde.
Job 12:19 He ledeth awaye the Preastes in to captyuyte, and turneth the myghtye vpsyde downe.
Job 12:20 He taketh the verite from out of the mouth, & disapoynteth the aged of their wysdome.
Job 12:21 He poureth out confusyon vpon Princes, and comforteth them that haue bene oppressed.
Job 12:22 Loke what lyeth hyd in darcknesse, he declareth it openly: and the very shadowe of death bringet he to lyght.
Job 12:23 He bothe increaseth the people, and destroyeth them: He maketh them to multiplye and driueth them awaye.
Job 12:24 He chaungeth the herte of the Princes and Kynges of the earth and disapoynteth them: so that they go wandringe out of the waye,
Job 12:25 & grope in the darcke without light, stackeringe to and fro lyke droncken men.

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Brenton Translation
1851 by Lancelot Brenton

Job Chapters 13-20

Job 13:1 Behold, mine eye has seen these things, and mine ear has heard [them].
Job 13:2 And I know all that ye too know; and I have not less understanding than you.
Job 13:3 Nevertheless I will speak to the Lord, and I will reason before him, if he will.

Job 13:6 But hear ye the reasoning of my mouth, and attend to the judgment of my lips.
Job 13:7 Do ye not speak before the Lord, and utter deceit before him?
Job 13:8 Or will ye draw back? nay do, ye yourselves be judges.

Job 13:9 For [it were] well if he would thoroughly search you: for though doing all things [in your power] ye should attach yourselves to him,
Job 13:10 he will not reprove you at all the less: but if moreover ye should secretly respect persons,
Job 13:11 shall not his whirlpool sweep you round, and terror from him fall upon you?
Job 13:12 And your glorying shall prove in the end to you like ashes, and your body [like a body] of clay.

Job 13:15 Though the Mighty One should lay hand upon me, forasmuch as he has begun, verily I will speak, and plead before him.
Job 13:16 And this shall turn to me for salvation; for fraud shall have no entrance before him.

Job 13:17 Hear, hear ye my words, for I will declare in your hearing.
Job 13:18 Behold, I am near my judgment: I know that I shall appear evidently just.

Job 13:19 For who is he that shall plead with me, that I should now be silent, and expire?
Job 13:20 But grant me two things: then I will not hide myself from thy face.
Job 13:21 Withhold [thine] hand from me: and let not thy fear terrify me.
Job 13:22 Then shalt thou call, and I will hearken to thee: or thou shalt speak, and I will give thee an answer.
Job 13:23 How many are my sins and my transgressions? teach me what they are.
Job 13:24 Wherefore hidest thou thyself from me, and deemest me thine enemy?
Job 13:25 Wilt thou be startled [at me], as [at] a leaf shaken by the wind? or wilt thou set thyself against me as against grass borne upon the breeze?
Job 13:26 for thou hast written evil things against me, and thou hast compassed me with the sins of my youth.
Job 13:27 And thou hast placed my foot in the stocks; and thou hast watched all my works, and hast penetrated my heels.
Job 13:28 [I am as] that which waxes old like a bottle, or like a moth-eaten garment.

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Job 14:1 For a mortal born of a woman [is] short lived, and full of wrath.
Job 14:2 Or he falls like a flower that has bloomed; and he departs like a shadow, and cannot continue.
Job 14:3 Hast thou not taken account even of him, and caused him to enter into judgment before thee?
Job 14:4 For who shall be pure from uncleanness? not even one;
Job 14:5 if even his life should be [but] one day upon the earth: and his months are numbered by him: thou hast appointed [him] for a time, and he shall by no means exceed [it].

Job 14:6 Depart from him, that he may be quiet, and take pleasure in his life, [though] as a hireling.
Job 14:7 For there is hope for a tree, even if it should be cut down, [that] it shall blossom again, and its branch shall not fail.
Job 14:8 For though its root should grow old in the earth, and its stem die in the rock;
Job 14:9 it will blossom from the scent of water, and will produce a crop, as one newly planted.

Job 14:10 But a man that has died is utterly gone; and when a mortal has fallen, he is no more.
Job 14:11 For the sea wastes in [length of] time, and a river fails and is dried up.
Job 14:12 And man that has lain down [in death] shall certainly not rise again till the heaven be dissolved, and they shall not awake from their sleep.
Job 14:13 For oh that thou hadst kept me in the grave, and hadst hidden me until thy wrath should cease, and thou shouldest set me a time in which thou wouldest remember me!
Job 14:14 For if a man should die, shall he live [again], having accomplished the days of his life? I will wait till I exist again?
Job 14:15 Then shalt thou call, and I will hearken to thee: but do not thou reject the work of thine hands.

Job 14:16 But thou hast numbered my devices: and not one of my sins shall escape thee?
Job 14:17 An thou hast sealed up my transgressions in a bag, and marked if I have been guilty of any transgression unawares.
Job 14:18 And verily a mountain falling will utterly be destroyed, and a rock shall be worn out of its place.
Job 14:19 The waters wear the stones, and waters falling headlong [overflow] a heap of the earth: and thou destroyest the hope of man.
Job 14:20 Thou drivest him to an end, and he is gone: thou settest thy face against him, and sendest him away;
Job 14:21 and though his children be multiplied, he knows [it] not; and if they be few, he is not aware.
Job 14:22 But his flesh is in pain, and his soul mourns.

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Job 15:1 Then Eliphaz the Thaemanite answered and said,
Job 15:2 Will a wise man give for answer a [mere] breath of wisdom? and does he fill up the pain of his belly,
Job 15:3 reasoning with improper sayings, and with words wherein is no profit?
Job 15:4 Hast not thou moreover cast off fear, and accomplished such words before the Lord?
Job 15:5 Thou art guilty by the words of thy mouth, neither hast thou discerned the words of the mighty.
Job 15:6 Let thine own mouth, and not me, reprove thee: and thy lips shall testify against thee.

Job 15:7 What! art thou the first man that was born? or wert thou established before the hills?
Job 15:8 Or hast thou heard the ordinance of the Lord? or has God used thee as [his] counsellor? and has wisdom come [only] to thee?
Job 15:9 For what knowest thou, that, we know not? or what understandest thou, which we do not also?
Job 15:10 Truly among us [are] both the old and very aged man, more advanced in days than thy father.
Job 15:11 Thou hast been scourged for [but] few of thy sins: thou hast spoken haughtily [and] extravagantly.
Job 15:12 What has thine heart dared? or what have thine eyes [aimed at],
Job 15:13 that thou hast vented [thy] rage before the Lord, and delivered such words from [thy] mouth?

Job 15:14 For who, being a mortal, [is such] that he shall be blameless? or, [who that is] born of a woman, that he should be just?
Job 15:15 Forasmuch as he trusts not his saints; and the heaven is not pure before him.
Job 15:16 Alas then, abominable and unclean is man, drinking unrighteousness as a draught.
Job 15:17 But I will tell thee, hearken to me; I will tell thee now what I have seen;
Job 15:18 things wise men say, and their fathers have not hidden.
Job 15:19 To them alone the earth was given, and no stranger came upon them.

Job 15:20 All the life of the ungodly [is spent] in care, and the years granted to the oppressor are numbered.
Job 15:21 And his terror is in his ears: just when he seems to be at peace, his overthrow will come.
Job 15:22 Let him not trust that he shall return from darkness, for he has been already made over to the power of the sword.
Job 15:23 And he has been appointed to be food for vultures; and he knows within himself that he is doomed to be a carcass: and a dark day shall carry him away as with a whirlwind.
Job 15:24 Distress also and anguish shall come upon him: he shall fall as a captain in the first rank.
Job 15:25 For he has lifted his hands against the Lord, and he has hardened his neck against the Almighty Lord.
Job 15:26 And he has run against him with insolence, on the thickness of the back of his shield.
Job 15:27 For he has covered his face with his fat, and made layers of fat upon his thighs.
Job 15:28 And let him lodge in desolate cities, and enter into houses without inhabitant: and what they have prepared, others shall carry away.
Job 15:29 Neither shall he at all grow rich, nor shall his substance remain: he shall not cast a shadow upon the earth.
Job 15:30 Neither shall he in any wise escape the darkness: let the wind blast his blossom, and let his flower fall off.
Job 15:31 Let him not think that he shall endure; for his end shall be vanity.
Job 15:32 His harvest shall perish before the time, and his branch shall not flourish.
Job 15:33 And let him be gathered as the unripe grape before the time, and let him fall as the blossom of the olive.

Job 15:34 For death is the witness of an ungodly man, and fire shall burn the houses of them that receive gifts.
Job 15:35 And he shall conceive sorrows, and his end shall be vanity, and his belly shall bear deceit.

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Job 16:1 But Job answered and said,
Job 16:2 I have heard many such things: poor comforters are ye all.
Job 16:3 What! is there any reason in vain words? or what will hinder thee from answering?
Job 16:4 I also will speak as ye [do]: if indeed your soul were in my [soul’s] stead, (16:5) then would I insult you with words, and I would shake my head at you.
Job 16:5 (16:6) And would there were strength in my mouth, and I would not spare the movement of my lips.
Job 16:6 (16:7) For if I should speak, I shall not feel the pain of my wound: and if I should be silent, how shall I be wounded the less?

Job 16:7 (16:8) But now he has made me weary, and a worn-out fool; and thou hast laid hold of me.
Job 16:8 (16:9) My falsehood has become a testimony, and has risen up against me: it has confronted me to my face.
Job 16:9 (16:10) In his anger he has cast me down; he has gnashed his teeth upon me: the weapons of his robbers have fallen upon me.
Job 16:10 (16:11) He has attacked me with the keen glances of his eyes; with his sharp [spear] he has smitten me [down] upon my knees; and they have run upon me with one accord.
Job 16:11 (16:12) For the Lord has delivered me into the hands of unrighteous men, and thrown me upon the ungodly.
Job 16:12 (16:13) When I was at peace he distracted me: he took me by the hair of the head, and plucked it out: he set me up as a mark.

Job 16:13 (16:14) They surrounded me with spears, aiming at my reins: without sparing [me] they poured out my gall upon the ground.
Job 16:14 (16:15) They overthrew me with fall upon fall: they ran upon me in [their] might.
Job 16:15 (16:16) They sewed sackcloth upon my skin, and my strength has been spent on the ground.

Job 16:16 (16:17) My belly has been parched with wailing, and darkness is on my eyelids.
Job 16:17 (16:18) Yet there was no injustice in my hands, and my prayer is pure.
Job 16:18 (16:19) Earth, cover not over the blood of my flesh, and let my cry have no place.
Job 16:19 (16:20) And now, behold, my witness is in heaven, and my advocate is on high.
Job 16:20 (16:21) Let my supplication come to the Lord, and let mine eye weep before him.
Job 16:21 (16:22) Oh that a man might plead before the Lord, even [as] the son of man with his neighbor!
Job 16:22 (16:23) But my years are numbered and [their end] come, and I shall go by the way by which I shall not return.

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Job 17:1 I perish, carried away by the wind, and I seek for burial, and obtain [it] not.
Job 17:2 Weary I intreat; and what have I done? and strangers have stolen my goods.

Job 17:3 Who is this? let him join hands with me.
Job 17:4 For thou hast hid their heart from wisdom; therefore thou shalt not exalt them.
Job 17:5 He shall promise mischief to [his] companions: but [their] eyes have failed for [their] children.

Job 17:6 But thou has made me a byword amount the nations, and I am become a scorn to them.
Job 17:7 For my eyes are dimmed through pain; I have been grievously beset by all.
Job 17:8 Wonder has seized true men upon this; and let the just rise up against the transgressor.

Job 17:9 But let the faithful hold on his own way, and let him that is pure of hands take courage.
Job 17:10 Howbeit, do ye all strengthen [yourselves] and come now, for I do not find truth in you.

Job 17:11 My days have passed in groaning, and my heart-strings are broken.
Job 17:12 I have turned the night into day: the light is short because of darkness.
Job 17:13 For if I remain, Hades is my habitation: and my bed has been made in darkness.
Job 17:14 I have called upon death to be my father, and corruption [to be] my mother and sister.
Job 17:15 Where then is yet my hope? or [where] shall I see my good?
Job 17:16 Will they go down with me to Hades, or shall we go down together to the tomb?

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Job 18:1 Then Baldad the Sauchite answered and said,
Job 18:2 How long wilt thou continue? forbear, that we also may speak.
Job 18:3 For wherefore have we been silent before thee like brutes?
Job 18:4 Anger has possessed thee: for what if thou shouldest die; would [the earth] under heaven be desolate? or shall the mountains be overthrown from their foundations?
Job 18:5 But the light of the ungodly shall be quenched, and their flame shall not go up.
Job 18:6 His light [shall be] darkness in [his] habitation, and his lamp shall be put out with him.
Job 18:7 Let the meanest of men spoil his goods, and let his counsel deceive [him].
Job 18:8 His foot also has been caught in a snare, [and] let it be entangled in a net.
Job 18:9 And let snares come upon him: he shall strengthen those that thirst for his destruction.
Job 18:10 His snare is hid in the earth, and that which shall take him is by the path.
Job 18:11 Let pains destroy him round about, and let many [enemies] come about him,
Job 18:12 [vex him] with distressing hunger: and a signal destruction has been prepared for him.
Job 18:13 Let the soles of his feet be devoured: and death shall consume his beauty.

Job 18:14 And let health be utterly banished from his tabernacle, and let distress seize upon him with a charge from the king.
Job 18:15 It shall dwell in his tabernacle in his night: his excellency shall be sown with brimstone.

Job 18:16 His roots shall be dried up from beneath, and his crop shall fall away from above.
Job 18:17 Let his memorial perish out of the earth, and his name shall be publicly cast out.
Job 18:18 Let [one] drive him from light into darkness.
Job 18:19 He shall not be known among his people, nor his house preserved on the earth.
Job 18:20 But strangers shall dwell in his possessions: the last groaned for him, and wonder seized the first.
Job 18:21 These are the houses of the unrighteous, and this is the place of them that know not the Lord.

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Job 19:1 Then Job answered and said,
Job 19:2 How long will ye vex my soul, and destroy me with words? only know that the Lord has dealt with me thus.
Job 19:3 Ye speak against me; ye do not feel for me, but bear hard upon me.

Job 19:4 Yea verily, I have erred in truth, (but the error abides with myself) (19:4A) in having spoken words which it was not right [to speak]; and my words err, and are unreasonable.

Job 19:5 But alas! for ye magnify yourselves against me, and insult me with reproach.

Job 19:6 Know then that it is the Lord that has troubled [me], and has raised his bulwark against me.

Job 19:7 Behold, I laugh at reproach; I will not speak: [or] I will cry out, but [there is] nowhere judgment.
Job 19:8 I am fenced round about, and can by no means escape: he has set darkness before my face.
Job 19:9 And he has stripped me of my glory, and has taken the crown from my head.
Job 19:10 He has torn me around about, and I am gone: and he has cut off my hope like a tree.
Job 19:11 And he has dreadfully handled me in anger, and has counted me for an enemy.
Job 19:12 His troops also came upon me with one accord, liars in wait compassed my ways.

Job 19:13 My brethren have stood aloof from me; they have recognized strangers [rather] than me: and my friends have become pitiless.
Job 19:14 My nearest of kin have not acknowledged me, and they that knew my name, have forgotten me.
Job 19:15 [As for] my household, and my maid-servants, I was a stranger before them.
Job 19:16 I called my servant, and he hearkened not; and my mouth intreated [him].
Job 19:17 And I besought my wife, and earnestly intreated the sons of my concubines.
Job 19:18 But they rejected me for ever; whenever I rise up, they speak against me.
Job 19:19 They that saw me abhorred me: the very persons whom I had loved, rose up against me.

Job 19:20 My flesh is corrupt under my skin, and my bones are held in [my] teeth.
Job 19:21 Pity me, pity me, O friends; for it is the hand of the Lord that has touched me.
Job 19:22 Wherefore do ye persecute me as also the Lord [does], and are not satisfied with my flesh?
Job 19:23 For oh that my words were written, and that they were recorded in a book forever,
Job 19:24 with an iron pen and lead, or graven in the rocks!

Job 19:25 For I know that he is eternal who is about to deliver me,
Job 19:26 [and] to raise up upon the earth my skin that endures these [sufferings]: for these things have been accomplished to me of the Lord;
Job 19:27 which I am conscious of in myself, which mine eye has seen, and not another, but all have been fulfilled to me in [my] bosom.

Job 19:28 But if ye shall also say, What shall we say before him, and [so] find the root of the matter in him?
Job 19:29 Do ye also beware of deceit: for wrath will come upon transgressors; and then shall they know where their substance is.

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Job 20:1 Then Sophar the Minaean answered and said,
Job 20:2 I did not suppose that thou wouldest answer thus: neither do ye understand more than I.
Job 20:3 I will hear my shameful reproach; and the spirit of my understanding answers me.
Job 20:4 Hast thou [not] known these things of old, from the time that man was set upon the earth?
Job 20:5 But the mirth of the ungodly is a signal downfall, and the joy of transgressors is destruction:
Job 20:6 although his gifts should go up to heaven, and his sacrifice reach the clouds.
Job 20:7 For when he shall seem to be now established, then he shall utterly perish: and they that knew him shall say, Where is he?
Job 20:8 Like a dream that has fled away, he shall not be found; and he has fled like a vision of the night.
Job 20:9 The eye has looked upon him, but shall not [see him] again; and his place shall no longer perceive him.

Job 20:10 Let [his] inferiors destroy his children, and let his hands kindle the fire of sorrow.
Job 20:11 His bones have been filled with [vigour of] his youth, and it shall lie down with him in the dust.
Job 20:12 Though evil be sweet in his mouth, [though] he will hide it under his tongue;
Job 20:13 though he will not spare it, and will not leave it, but will keep it in the midst of his throat:
Job 20:14 yet he shall not at all be able to help himself; the gall of an asp is in his belly.
Job 20:15 [His] wealth unjustly collected shall be vomited up; a messenger [of] [wrath] shall drag him out of his house.
Job 20:16 And let him suck the poison of serpents, and let the serpent’s tongue slay him.
Job 20:17 Let him not see the milk of the pastures, nor the supplies of honey and butter.

Job 20:18 He has laboured unprofitably and in vain, [for] wealth of which he shall not taste: [it is] as a lean thing, unfit for food, which he cannot swallow.
Job 20:19 For he has broken down the houses of many mighty men: and he has plundered an habitation, though he built [it] not.

Job 20:20 There is no security to his possessions; he shall not be saved by his desire.
Job 20:21 There is nothing remaining of his provisions; therefore his goods shall not flourish.

Job 20:22 But when he shall seem to be just satisfied, he shall be straitened; and all distress shall come upon him.
Job 20:23 If by any means he would fill his belly, let [God] send upon him the fury of wrath; let him bring a torrent of pains upon him.
Job 20:24 And he shall by no means escape from the power of the sword; let the brazen bow wound him.
Job 20:25 And let the arrow pierce through his body; and let the stars be against his dwelling-place: let terrors come upon him.
Job 20:26 And let all darkness wait for him: a fire that burns not out shall consume him; and let a stranger plague his house.
Job 20:27 And let the heaven reveal his iniquities, and the earth rise up against him.
Job 20:28 Let destruction bring his house to an end; let a day of wrath come upon him.
Job 20:29 This is the portion of an ungodly man from the Lord, and the possession of his goods [appointed him] by the all-seeing [God].

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° Hades, the underground, Sjeool/Sheol = the grave or the place of : break down, corrupt, decompose, disintegrate, fester, foul, mold, molder, perish, putrefy, rot, spoil, a place where Jesus also went for three days.

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Fragments from the Book of Job #1: chapters 1-12

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Fragments from the story of Job or Jobab (Job 42:17) and its numerous exegeses attempting to address the problem of evil. (Highlights ours, in purpose for the study on suffering and Gods hand in it. But please take your translation at hand and read the full chapters.)

Brenton Translation
1851 by Lancelot Brenton

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Job Chapters 1-12

Job 1:1 There was a certain man in the land of Ausis, whose name [was] Job; and than man was true, blameless, righteous, [and] godly, abstaining from everything evil.
Job 1:2 And he had seven sons and three daughters.
Job 1:3 And his cattle consisted of seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen, five hundred she-asses in the pastures, and a very great household, and he had a great husbandry on the earth; and that man was [most] noble of the [men] of the east.

Job 1:6 And it came to pass on a day, that behold, the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil (the adversary) came with them.
Job 1:7 And the Lord said to the devil, Whence art thou come? And the devil answered the Lord, and said, I am come from compassing the earth, and walking up and down in the world.
Job 1:8 And the Lord said to him, Hast thou diligently considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a man blameless, true, godly, abstaining from everything evil?
Job 1:9 Then the devil answered, and said before the Lord, Does Job worship the Lord for nothing?
Job 1:10 Hast thou not made a hedge about him, and about his household, and all his possessions round about? and hast thou not blessed the works of his hands, and multiplied his cattle upon the land?
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand, and touch all that he has: verily he will bless thee to [thy] face.
Job 1:12 Then the Lord said to the devil, Behold, I give into thine hand all that he has, but touch not himself. So the devil went out from the presence of the Lord.

Job 1:20 So Job arose, and rent his garments, and shaved the hair of his head, and fell on the earth, and worshipped,
Job 1:21 and said, I myself came forth naked from my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither; the Lord gave, the Lord has taken away: as it seemed good to the Lord, so has it come to pass; blessed be the name of the Lord.
Job 1:22 In all these events that befell him Job sinned not at all before the Lord, and did not impute folly to God.

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Job 2:1 And it came to pass on a certain day, that the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came among them to stand before the Lord.
Job 2:2 And the Lord, said to the devil, Whence comest thou? Then the devil said before the Lord, I (the evil) am come from going through the world, and walking about the whole earth.
Job 2:3 And the Lord said to the devil, Hast thou then observed my servant Job, that there is none of [men] upon the earth like him, a harmless, true, blameless, godly man, abstaining from all evil? and he yet cleaves to innocence, whereas thou has told [me] to destroy his substance without cause?
Job 2:4 And the devil answered and said to the Lord, Skin for skin, all that a man has will he give as a ransom for his life.
Job 2:5 Nay, but put forth thine hand, and touch his bones and his flesh: verily he will bless thee to [thy] face.
Job 2:6 And the Lord said to the devil, Behold, I deliver him up to thee; only save his life.
Job 2:7 So the devil went out from the Lord, and smote Job with sore boils from [his] feet to [his] head.

Job 2:10 …Thou hast spoken like one of the foolish women. If we have received good things of the hand of the Lord, shall we not endure evil things? In all these things that happened to him, Job sinned not at all with his lips before God.

Job 3:1 After this Job opened his mouth, and cursed his day,
Job 3:2 saying,
Job 3:3 Let the day perish in which I was born, and that night in which they said, Behold a man-child!
Job 3:4 Let that night be darkness, and let not the Lord regard it from above, neither let light come upon it.
Job 3:5 But let darkness and the shadow of death seize it; let blackness come upon it;
Job 3:6 let that day and night be cursed, let darkness carry them away; let it not come into the days of the year, neither let it be numbered with the days of the months.
Job 3:7 But let that night be pain, and let not mirth come upon it, nor joy.
Job 3:8 But let him that curses that day curse it, [even] he that is ready to attack the great whale.
Job 3:9 Let the stars of that night be darkened; let it remain [dark], and not come into light; and let it not see the morning star arise:
Job 3:10 because it shut not up the gates of my mother’s womb, for [so] it would have removed sorrow from my eyes.
Job 3:11 For why died I not in the belly? and [why] did I not come forth from the womb and die immediately?
Job 3:12 and why did the knees support me? and why did I suck the breasts?
Job 3:13 Now I should have lain down and been quiet, I should have slept and been at rest,
Job 3:14 with kings [and] councillors of the earth, who gloried in [their] swords;
Job 3:15 or with rulers, whose gold was abundant, who filled their houses with silver:
Job 3:16 or [I should have been] as an untimely birth proceeding from his mother’s womb, or as infants who never saw light.
Job 3:17 There the ungodly have burnt out the fury of rage; there the wearied in body rest.

Job 3:23 Death [is] rest to [such] a man, for God has hedged him in.
Job 3:24 For my groaning comes before my food, and I weep being beset with terror.
Job 3:25 For the terror of which I meditated has come upon me, and that which I had feared has befallen me.
Job 3:26 I was not at peace, nor quiet, nor had I rest; yet wrath came upon me.

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Job 4:5 Yet now [that] pain has come upon thee, and touched thee, thou art troubled.
Job 4:6 Is not thy fear [founded] in folly, thy hope also, and the mischief of thy way?
Job 4:7 Remember then who has perished, being pure? or when were the true-hearted utterly destroyed?
Job 4:8 Accordingly as I have seen men ploughing barren places, and they that sow them will reap sorrows for themselves.
Job 4:9 They shall perish by the command of the Lord, and shall be utterly consumed by the breath of his wrath.

Job 4:13 But [as when] terror falls upon men, with dread and a sound in the night,
Job 4:14 horror and trembling seized me, and caused all my bones greatly to shake.
Job 4:15 And a spirit came before my face; and my hair and flesh quivered.
Job 4:16 I arose and perceived it not: I looked, and there, was no form before my eyes: but I only heard a breath and a voice, [saying],
Job 4:17 What, shall a mortal be pure before the Lord? or a man be blameless in regard to his works?
Job 4:18 Whereas he trust not in his servants, and perceives perverseness in his angels.
Job 4:19 But [as for] them that dwell in houses of clay, of whom we also are formed of the same clay, he smites them like a moth.
Job 4:20 And from the morning to evening they no longer exist: they have perished, because they cannot help themselves.
Job 4:21 For he blows upon them, and they are withered: they have perished for lack of wisdom.

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Job 5:1 But call, if any one will hearken to thee, or if thou shalt see any of the holy angels.
Job 5:2 For wrath destroys the foolish one, and envy slays him that has gone astray.
Job 5:3 And I have seen foolish ones taking root: but suddenly their habitation was devoured.
Job 5:4 Let their children be far from safety, and let them be crushed at the doors of vile men, and let there be no deliverer.
Job 5:5 For what they have collected, the just shall eat; but they shall not be delivered out of calamities: let their strength be utterly exhausted.
Job 5:6 For labour cannot by any means come out of the earth, nor shall trouble spring out of the mountains:
Job 5:7 yet man is born to labour, and [even so] the vulture’s young seek the high places.
Job 5:8 Nevertheless I will beseech the Lord, and will call upon the Lord, the sovereign of all;
Job 5:9 who does great things and untraceable, glorious things also, and marvellous, of which there is no number:
Job 5:10 who gives rain upon the earth, sending water on the earth:
Job 5:11 who exalts the lowly, and raises up them that are lost:
Job 5:12 frustrating the counsels of the crafty, and their hands shall not perform the truth:
Job 5:13 who takes the wise in their wisdom, and subverts the counsel of the crafty
Job 5:14 In the day darkness shall come upon them, and let them grope in the noon-day even as in the night:
Job 5:15 and let them perish in war, and let the weak escape from the hand of the mighty.
Job 5:16 And let the weak have hope, but the mouth of the unjust be stopped.

Job 5:17 But blessed [is] the man whom the Lord has reproved; and reject not thou the chastening of the Almighty.
Job 5:18 for he causes [a man] to be in pain, and restores [him] again: he smites, and his hands heal.
Job 5:19 Six time he shall deliver thee out of distresses: and in the seventh harm shall not touch thee.
Job 5:20 In famine he shall deliver thee from death: and in war he shall free thee from the power of the sword.
Job 5:21 He shall hide thee from the scourge of the tongue: and thou shalt not be afraid of coming evils.

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Job 6:1 But Job answered and said,
Job 6:2 Oh that one would indeed weigh the wrath that is upon me, and take up my griefs in a balance together!
Job 6:3 And verily they would be heavier than the sand by the seashore: but, as it seems, my words are vain.
Job 6:4 For the arrows of the Lord are in my body, whose violence drinks up my blood: whenever I am going to speak, they pierce me.
Job 6:5 What then? will the wild ass bray for nothing, if he is not seeking food? or again, will the ox low at the manger, when he has a fodder?
Job 6:6 Shall bread be eaten without salt? or again, is there taste in empty words?
Job 6:7 For my wrath cannot cease; for I perceive my food as the smell of a lion [to be] loathsome.
Job 6:8 For oh that he would grant [my desire], and my petition might come, and the Lord would grant my hope!

Job 6:9 Let the Lord begin and wound me, but let him not utterly destroy me.
Job 6:10 Let the grave be my city, upon the walls of which I have leaped: I will not shrink from it; for I have not denied the holy words of my God.
Job 6:11 For what is my strength, that I continue? what is my time, that my soul endures?
Job 6:12 Is my strength the strength of stones? or is my flesh of brass?
Job 6:13 Or have I not trusted in him? but help is [far] from me.
Job 6:14 Mercy has rejected me; and the visitation of the Lord has disregarded me.
Job 6:15 My nearest relations have not regarded me; they have passed me by like a failing brook, or like a wave.
Job 6:16 They who used to reverence me, now have come against me like snow or congealed ice.
Job 6:17 When it has melted at the approach of heat, it is not known what it was.
Job 6:18 Thus I also have been deserted of all; and I am ruined, and become an outcast.

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Job 7:1 Is not the life of man upon earth a state of trial? and his existence as that of a hireling by the day?
Job 7:2 Or as a servant that fears his master, and one who has grasped a shadow? or as a hireling waiting for his pay?
Job 7:3 So have I also endured months of vanity, and nights of pain have been appointed me.
Job 7:4 Whenever I lie down, I say, When [will it be] day? and whenever I rise up, again [I say] when [will it be] evening? and I am full of pains from evening to morning.
Job 7:5 And my body is covered with loathsome worms; and I waste away, scraping off clods of dust from my eruption.
Job 7:6 And my life is lighter than a word, and has perished in vain hope.
Job 7:7 Remember then that my life is breath, and mine eye shalt not yet again see good.
Job 7:8 The eye of him that sees me shall not see me [again]: thine eyes are upon me, and I am no more.
Job 7:9 [I am] as a cloud that is cleared away from the sky: for if a man go down to the grave, he shall not come up again:
Job 7:10 and he shall surely not return to his own house, neither shall his place know him any more.
Job 7:11 Then neither will I refrain my mouth: I will speak being in distress; being in anguish I will disclose the bitterness of my soul.
Job 7:12 Am I a sea, or a serpent, that thou hast set a watch over me?

Job 7:16 For I shall not live for ever, that I should patiently endure: depart from me, for my life [is] vain.
Job 7:17 For what is man, that thou hast magnified him? or that thou givest heed to him?
Job 7:18 Wilt thou visit him till the morning, and judge him till [the time of] rest?
Job 7:19 How long dost thou not let me alone, nor let me go, until I shall swallow down my spittle?
Job 7:20 If I have sinned, what shall I be able to do, O thou that understandest the mind of men? why hast thou made me as thine accuser, and [why] am I a burden to thee?
Job 7:21 Why hast thou not forgotten my iniquity, and purged my sin? but now I shall depart to the earth; and in the morning I am no more.

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Job 8:3 Will the Lord be unjust when he judges; or will he that has made all things pervert justice?
Job 8:4 If thy sons have sinned before him, he has cast them away because of their transgression.
Job 8:5 But be thou early in prayer to the Lord Almighty.
Job 8:6 If thou art pure and true, he will hearken to thy supplication, and will restore to thee the habitation of righteousness.
Job 8:7 Though then thy beginning should be small, yet thy end should be unspeakably great.
Job 8:8 For ask of the former generation, and search diligently among the race of [our] fathers:
Job 8:9 (for we are of yesterday, and know nothing; for our life upon the earth is a shadow:)
Job 8:10 shall not these teach thee, and report [to thee], and bring out words from [their] heart?

Job 8:18 If [God] should destroy [him], his place shall deny him. Hast thou not seen such things,
Job 8:19 that such is the overthrow of the ungodly? and out of the earth another shall grow.
Job 8:20 For the Lord will by no means reject the harmless man; but he will not receive any gift of the ungodly.
Job 8:21 But he will fill with laughter the mouth of the sincere, and their lips with thanksgiving.
Job 8:22 But their adversaries shall clothe themselves with shame; and the habitation of the ungodly shall perish.

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Job 9:1 Then Job answered and said,
Job 9:2 I know of a truth that it is so: for how shall a mortal man be just before the Lord?
Job 9:3 For if he would enter into judgment with him, [God] would not hearken to him, so that he should answer to one of his charges of a thousand.
Job 9:4 For he is wise in mind, and mighty, and great: who has hardened himself against him and endured?
Job 9:5 Who wears out the mountains, and [men] know it not: who overturns them in anger.
Job 9:6 Who shakes the [earth] under heaven from its foundations, and its pillars totter.
Job 9:7 Who commands the sun, and it rises not; and he seals up the stars.
Job 9:8 Who alone has stretched out the heavens, and walks on the sea as on firm ground.
Job 9:9 Who makes Pleias, and Hesperus, and Arcturus, and the chambers of the south.
Job 9:10 Who does great and unsearchable things; glorious also and excellent things, innumerable.

Job 9:11 If ever he should go beyond me, I shall not see him: if he should pass by me, neither thus have I known [it].
Job 9:12 If he would take away, who shall turn him back? or who shall say to him, What hast thou done?
Job 9:13 For [if] he has turned away [his] anger, the whales under heaven have stooped under him.
Job 9:14 Oh then that he would hearken to me, or judge my cause.

Job 9:19 For indeed he is strong in power: who then shall resist his judgment?

Job 9:22 Wherefore I said, Wrath slays the great and mighty man.
Job 9:23 For the worthless die, but the righteous are laughed to scorn.
Job 9:24 For they are delivered into the hands of the unrighteous [man]: he covers the faces of the judges [of the earth]: but if it be not he, who is it?

Job 9:33 Would that [he] our mediator were [present], and a reprover, and one who should hear [the cause] between both.
Job 9:34 Let him remove [his] rod from me, and let not his fear terrify me:
Job 9:35 so shall I not be afraid, but I will speak: for I am not thus conscious [of guilt].

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Job 10:3 Is it good before thee if I be unrighteous? for thou hast disowned the work of thy hands, and attended to the counsel of the ungodly.
Job 10:4 Or dost thou see as a mortal sees? or wilt thou look as a man sees?
Job 10:5 Or is thy life human, or thy years [the years] of a man,
Job 10:6 that thou hast enquired into mine iniquity, and searched out my sins?
Job 10:7 For thou knowest that I have not committed iniquity: but who is he that can deliver out of thy hands?

Job 10:8 Thy hands have formed me and made me; afterwards thou didst change [thy mind], and smite me.
Job 10:9 Remember that thou hast made me [as] clay, and thou dost turn me again to earth.

Job 10:10 Hast thou not poured me out like milk, and curdled me like cheese?
Job 10:11 And thou didst clothe me with skin and flesh, and frame me with bones and sinews.
Job 10:12 And thou didst bestow upon me life and mercy, and thy oversight has preserved my spirit.
Job 10:13 Having these things in thyself, I know that thou canst do all things; for nothing is impossible with thee.

Job 10:14 And if I should sin, thou watchest me; and thou hast not cleared me from iniquity.
Job 10:15 Or if I should be ungodly, woe is me: and if I should be righteous, I cannot lift myself up, for I am full of dishonour.
Job 10:16 For I am hunted like a lion for slaughter; for again thou hast changed and art terribly destroying me;
Job 10:17 renewing against me my torture: and thou hast dealt with me in great anger, and thou hast brought trials upon me.

Job 10:20 Is not the time of my life short? suffer me to rest a little,
Job 10:21 before I go whence I shall not return, to a land of darkness and gloominess;
Job 10:22 to a land of perpetual darkness, where there is no light, neither [can any one] see the life of mortals.

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Job 11:5 But oh that the Lord would speak to thee, and open his lips to thee!
Job 11:6 Then shall he declare to thee the power of wisdom; for it shall be double of that which is with thee: and then shalt thou know, that a just recompence of thy sins has come to thee from the Lord.

Job 11:7 Wilt thou find out the traces of the Lord? or hast thou come to the end [of that] which the Almighty has made?
Job 11:8 Heaven [is] high; and what wilt thou do? and there are deeper things than those in hell; what dost thou know?
Job 11:9 Or longer than the measure of the earth, or the breadth of the sea.
Job 11:10 And if he should overthrow all things, who will say to him, What hast thou done?
Job 11:11 For he knows the works of transgressors; and when he sees wickedness, he will not overlook [it].

Job 11:12 But man vainly buoys himself up with words; and a mortal born of woman [is] like an ass in the desert.
Job 11:13 For if thou hast made thine heart pure, and liftest up [thine] hands towards him;
Job 11:14 if there is any iniquity in thy hands, put if far from thee, and let not unrighteousness lodge in thy habitation.
Job 11:15 For thus shall thy countenance shine again, as pure water; and thou shalt divest thyself of uncleanness, and shalt not fear.
Job 11:16 And thou shalt forget trouble, as a wave that has passed by; and thou shalt not be scared.
Job 11:17 And thy prayer [shall be] as the morning star, and life shall arise to thee [as] from the noonday.
Job 11:18 And thou shalt be confident, because thou hast hope; and peace shall dawn to thee from out of anxiety and care.
Job 11:19 For thou shalt be at ease, and there shall be no one to fight against thee; and many shall charge, and make supplication to thee.
Job 11:20 But safety shall fail them; for their hope is destruction, and the eyes of the ungodly shall waste away.

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Job 12:9 Who then has not known in all these things, that the hand of the Lord has made them?
Job 12:10 Whereas the life of all living things is in his hand, and the breath of every man.
Job 12:11 For the ear tries words, and the palate tastes meats.
Job 12:12 In length of time is wisdom, and in long life knowledge.

Job 12:13 With him are wisdom and power, with him counsel and understanding.
Job 12:14 If he should cast down, who will build up? if he should shut up against man, who shall open?
Job 12:15 If he should withhold the water, he will dry the earth: and if he should let it loose, he overthrows and destroys it.
Job 12:16 With him are strength and power: he has knowledge and understanding.
Job 12:17 He leads counsellors away captive, and maddens the judges of the earth.
Job 12:18 He seats kings upon thrones, and girds their loins with a girdle.
Job 12:19 He sends away priests into captivity, and overthrows the mighty ones of the earth.
Job 12:20 He changes the lips of the trusty, and he knows the understanding of the elders.
Job 12:21 He pours dishonour upon princes, and heals the lowly.
Job 12:22 Revealing deep things out of darkness: and he has brought into light the shadow of death.
Job 12:23 Causing the nations to wander, and destroying them: overthrowing the nations, and leading them [away].
Job 12:24 Perplexing the minds of the princes of the earth: and he causes them to wander in a way, they have not known, [saying],
Job 12:25 Let them grope [in] darkness, and [let there be] no light, and let them wander as a drunken man.

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Continues: Fragments from the Book of Job #2: chapters 12-20

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