Archive for February, 2012
De Dag is nabij #1 Voortdurende moeilijkheden
Waar willen we het over hebben
Je lijkt tegenwoordig geen krant meer te kunnen opslaan, geen radio of TV meer te kunnen aanzetten of je hoort van rampen. Natuurrampen, aardbevingen, verwoestende tsunami’s, overstromingen of juist extreme droogte, en dus misoogsten gevolgd door honger. In de westerse wereld stijgt de werkloosheid en volgt de ene financiële crisis op de andere en niemand is meer zeker van zijn inkomsten of zijn spaargeld. De maatschappij om ons heen verruwt, we worden in toenemende mate geconfronteerd met religieus fundamentalisme, en het terrorisme dat decennialang op zijn retour had geleken, begint zich weer onweerstaanbaar te verbreiden. De ‘zekerheden’ van onze maatschappij beginnen ons te ontvallen en plaats te maken voor een toenemend gevoel van onveiligheid. Zijn dit tekenen van een naderend einde? En wat heeft de Bijbel ons daarover te vertellen?
Op die eerste vraag valt niet met absolute zekerheid een antwoord te geven, maar naar die tweede willen we met u gaan kijken. Want een naderend einde betekent uiteindelijk de wederkomst van Christus, en dan wordt het voor ons de tijd om ons af te vragen hoe we daar tegenaan kijken: met blijde verwachting of met angstige vrees? Verwacht in de Schrift echter geen nauwkeurige ‘dienstregeling’ van de gebeurtenissen die ons te wachten staan, hooguit een globale karakterisering. Want hij vertelt ons in dit soort situaties zelden alles wat we graag zouden willen weten (om onze nieuwsgierigheid te bevredigen), maar uitsluitend wat we moeten weten (om niet mee ten onder te gaan).
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Uitnodiging voor studiedag 2012
10 Maart 2012: ‘t Nieuwe Kerkehuis, Daltonstraat, Amersfoort, Nederland 10.30 uur – 17.00 uur + na die tijd nog een maaltijd indien u wenst.
Aanverwant:
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Achtergrond lectuur:
Tekens op aarde en in de lucht
Godsdienst scheidt mensen niet maar verbindt
Tieners gebruiken God voor positief zelfbeeld
Tot de 99% of de 53% behorende
Op straat voor waardigheid #1 Zieke broertje
Op straat voor waardigheid #2 Grote broer
Kwetsbare mens in het Europa van morgen #1 Colloquium
België en toenemende armoede in Europa
Denkend aan de hulpbehoevenden
Nemen van Risico door de maatschappij
Nucleaire ramp in Japan doet mensen twee maal nadenken
Folteren van mogelijke Terroristen
Voorstel van Obama omtrent oplossing voor Israël
Apartheid of rassenverschil systeem #1 Verzwijging en Afzondering
Apartheid of rassenverschil systeem #2 Op naar 2de helft 20ste eeuw
Al-Qaida roept Amerikanen op zich te bekeren tot islam
De Wederkomst en de eindtijd #1 Dit geslacht zal geenszins voorbijgaan
De Wederkomst en de eindtijd #2 Blik op de nabije toekomst
De Wederkomst en de Eindtijd #5 De Verlosser uit de hemel
Advent + Uitkijken naar twee adventen
De Terugkeer van de beloofde Messias
Om de hoek loerende censuur in Verenigd Koninkrijk
In het Engels:
Religion, fundamentalism and murder
Welfare state and Poverty in Flanders #3 Right to Human dignity
Religious Beliefs Founding Fathers U.SA.
BWA meeting still on despite bombings
Terrorist Attacks & the Father
Consequences of Breivik’s mass murder
Secret or public return of Jesus
Why did Christ not reveal the exact time of his second coming?
Looking forward to the return of Jesus Video
Are you ready Video
Wrath of God – Tsunamis in India coast .
Read Full Post | Make a Comment ( 7 so far )Uitnodiging voor studiedag 2012
Geachte lezer,
Wij nodigen u van harte uit voor onze jaarlijkse Studie- en Ontmoetingsdag, die op zaterdag 10 maart a.s., zo de Heer wil, zal worden gehouden in ‘t Nieuwe Kerkehuis, hoek Daltonstraat/Leusderweg in Amersfoort.
Het thema is dit keer: De nacht is ver gevorderd, de dag is nabij. Nadere bijzonderheden vindt u in de komende berichten. Wij hopen samen een informatieve en opbouwende tijd met open Bijbel te hebben. Belangstellende familieleden en vrienden zijn ook van harte welkom.
Er zijn vier studies: twee ’s morgens en twee ‘s middags. De eerste studie begint om 10.30 uur (u bent welkom vanaf 9.45 uur). Aan het eind van de middag is er tot ongeveer 16.30 gelegenheid voor discussie en het stellen van vragen. Tussen de middag bieden wij u een eenvoudige (gratis) warme maaltijd aan, en om 17.00 uur kunt u – voor u op reis gaat – nog een (gratis) broodmaaltijd met ons gebruiken.
Het gebouw is te bereiken per auto en bus. U kunt de auto parkeren in een van de zijstraten van de Daltonstraat. Buslijn 8 brengt u in 5 minuten van het NS station tot de deur van ‘t Nieuwe Kerkehuis (halte Daltonstraat). Vertrektijden 15 minuten over en 15 minuten voor het hele uur. Wanneer u wat minder mobiel bent, kunnen wij u ook afhalen van NS station Amersfoort (ontmoetingstijd en -plaats: niet later dan 10.10 uur bij de zitbankjes in de stationshal bij de uitgangen). Geef dit alstublieft op bij aanmelding voor de dag.
Belgische bezoekers kunnen carpoolen indien zij zin hebben om mee te rijden met één van onze broeders uit Haineaut of Brabant. Afspraken hieromtrent kunnen gemaakt worden door ons te contacteren via deze site .
Wij verzoeken u vriendelijk, maar dringend, niet later dan 10.20 in de zaal aanwezig te zijn.
Behalve uw reiskosten naar Amersfoort, zijn er voor u geen kosten aan deze dag verbonden. Om de onkosten te dekken zijn vrijwillige giften, in het busje op de lectuurtafel, echter van harte welkom.
Wij hopen dat u gebruik wilt maken van deze gelegenheid om, samen met andere Bijbelgelovigen, van deze altijd weer fijne en zinvolle dag te genieten. Wanneer u wilt deelnemen, vult u onderstaande strook in en zendt deze zo spoedig mogelijk, maar niet later dan 27 februari, in een enveloppe naar bovenstaand adres. Aanmelden kan ook in Nederlands via telefoonnummer 0318-632167, of E-mail: info@broedersinchristus.nl
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Redactie Met Open Bijbel en de Nederlandse en Belgische Christadelphians
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Adres: …………………………………………………………………………………. E-mail: …………………………………………………
Het aantal deelnemers dat u aanmeldt (inclusief uzelf) is: …………
Wilt u worden afgehaald van het station? nee / ja; mijn verwachte aankomst tijd is ……………………….uur
Indien u een deel van de dag wilt bijwonen, welk gedeelte zal dat dan zijn? ochtend/middag
Wenst u deel te nemen aan de warme maaltijd tussen de middag? ja / nee
Wenst u deel te nemen aan de broodmaaltijd na afloop ja / nee
Bijzonderheden betreffende uw eventuele dieet: …………………………………………………………………………………….
Read Full Post | Make a Comment ( 3 so far )Rugby Prophecy Day
Online Broadcast – Rugby Prophecy Day
Saturday 25 February
RUGBY PROPHECY DAY – SATURDAY 25 FEBRUARY 2012 DV – ONLINE BROADCAST
If you are unable to attend the prophecy day in person for whatever reason, you are very welcome to join us online. You will be able to listen to the talks via audio link and to see the powerpoint slides via the internet. During the breaks, you are all very welcome to chat to each other and discuss the talks if you wish.
If there are a few of you in one location who would like to listen, why not get together? You could listen from your own meeting room with other brothers and sisters (as I am doing) or from the comfort of your lounge. In this case, I recommend using two computers – one so that you can see the audio screen (which we post information updates to) and a second to display the powerpoint slides which you would sit around and watch – or plug it into your big screen TV for added viewing pleasure!
TALKS
11:30 Why is Israel so despised? Bro Nicholas White (Pershore)
14:15 Arab Spring or Arab Winter? Bro Jonathan Bowen (Brantford, Canada)
15:55 Milestones Update Bro Don Pearce (Rugby)
If you have listened before, the login information remains the same, so you should be able to get online as before. Try it now and if you have any problems just send me an email.
If you haven’t listened before, you will need to do the following:
1. Get a free account at http://www.authorstream.com
On the day, you log into your Authorstream account.
Before the start of each talk, you will be given a link to copy (CTL+C) and paste (CTRL+V) into your browser (if you have no idea what that all means, just ask – it’s really easy!) The link will take you straight to the powerpoint. You don’t need to work out when to change slides – that will be controlled automatically via Rugby.
2. Go to the CVC website: http://www.cvc.christadelphianmeetingroom.co.uk
Click the REGISTER button to register (You’ll be send the login details as soon as I can get to your request – it gets VERY busy around prophecy days!)
If your browser won’t let you complete the form, just email me.
3. Once you have the login information, go to the CVC website to download and run the software. It’s really easy and you will only have to do this once. I recommend installing an icon to your desktop so that the program is easy to find. Just follow the instructions.
4. On the day, go into the CVC website and keep checking for updates.
(Unfortunately, this software will not work with macs – sorry).
As usual, I will be doing help and soundchecks on Friday evening (24 February). I will also help as much as I can on Saturday. However, as I will also be broadcasting at my ecclesial hall, I won’t be able to help during talks so I strongly recommend you join us on Friday evening. If you can’t be there on Friday but would still like assistance, send me an email and I’ll see if I can arrange a different time.
My email addy is: themeetingroom@hotmail.com
With love in our Lord
Rachael
(Rachael Wadsworth, Southport)
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In our ecclesia we tackle the same theme in March and have our Annual Bible Study Day about this subject: “The Day is near” on Saturday March the 10° at ‘t Nieuwe Kerkehuis, Daltonstraat, Amersfoort, Nederland
Look out for the coming postings about this event.
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Perhaps some reading you can do in advance:
Newsweek asks: How ignorant are you?
Proclaiming shalom, bringing good news of good things, announcing salvation
The Conclusion of the System of Things
Self inflicted misery #1 The root by man
Self inflicted misery #2 Weakness of human race
Self inflicted misery #6 Paying by death
Self inflicted misery #7 Good news to our suffering
Self inflicted misery #9 Subject to worldly things
Isaiah prophet and messenger of God
Isaiah’s Book of the Messenger of Glad Tidings
Jesus begotten Son of God #7 A matter of the Future
Cool Person of the year 2011 +
The Protester named Person of the Year 2011 by Time Magazine
Violence or an other way to win
Justififiable anger or just anarchism
Bad things no punishment from God
Manifests for believers #5 Christian Union
The Ecclesia in the churchsystem
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In Dutch:
Een Naam voor een God #8 Vergeten of weigeren
Het begin van Jezus #6 Beloften van innerlijke zegeningen
Fragiliteit en actie #7 Gebeurtenissen en Prioriteiten
Manifest tot protestantse kerk
Toffe persoon van het jaar 2011
Geschiedvervalsing of onwil in Midden-Oosten conflict
De Protesteerder door Time verkozen tot Persoon van het jaar
Voorstel van Obama omtrent oplossing voor Israël
Jesaja profeet en boodschapper van God
Door verkondiging ook geruster
Vandaag 22 September en vooruitzicht op Vrede
Virussen van onze maatschappij
Wereld waarheen? #2 Gebed om de komst van de koning
Wereld waarheen? #3 De Wortelscheut van David
Wereld waarheen? #4 Het Lied van de Serafs
De Wederkomst en de eindtijd #1 Dit geslacht zal geenszins voorbijgaan
De Wederkomst en de eindtijd #2 Blik op de nabije toekomst
De wederkomst en de eindtijd #3 Let op de Vijgeboom
De Wederkomst en de eindtijd #4 De komende toorn
De Wederkomst en de Eindtijd #5 De Verlosser uit de hemel
De Wederkomst en de eindtijd #6 De Dagen van Noach en Lot
De Bijbel onze Gids #15 Het Heerlijke einde
Visie op Jezus’ wederkomst van invloed op vraag hoe met deze aarde omgaan
Harold Camping komt met nieuwe dag op de proppen zonder verontschuldiging
Newsweek vraagt zich af of wij nog onwetend willen houden
Hoe de Satan vandaag rond toert
Lucas 21, 25-36 toegelicht door Augustinus
Blijf waakzaam nu einde nabij komt
De Knecht des Heren #5 De Gezalfde gezant
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To think about and notice good and false teachings plus recognising directions how to go.
Related articles
- Prophecy: 4 antichrists (part 1) (mackquigley.wordpress.com)
All mankind will be forced to worship a world-dictator during the tribulation - Of Prophets and Prophecies (boobsetal.wordpress.com)
he son of David, in Proverbs, continually warns against scoffing; Thomas Didim’s doubt is made an example of. - TB Joshua’s Prophecies; Confessions of Patrick Kabwela – a die-hard Skeptic (watchtbjoshua.wordpress.com)
Rumours are very, very powerful. They spread like wild fire and are often lapped up quickly, just as a very hungry man would eat any food that comes his way without bothering to find out where it comes from. It is the easiest thing in the world to hear a rumour and begin to spread it around adding and subtracting from it according to what people want to hear, especially if it is tasty. It is a harder thing however to seek to find out the truth about something and respect that, neither adding to it nor subtracting from it. Right from time, man has loved to gossip; we all have itching ears, eager to hear the latest, especially if it is defaming someone’s persona. - Bible prophecies fulfilled by Jesus’ birth (brakeman1.wordpress.com)
Below is a selection of prophecies in the Bible that found fulfillment in the birth of Jesus the Messiah about 2,000 years ago. - Mayan Prophecy: End or Change | Socyberty (mrdprince.wordpress.com)
At last we have arrived in the year 2012, and the well advertised year of “the end of the world” according to some and perhaps even the ancient Mayan Indians. - Revelation Road: Are Christians Living in the Last Days? By Stoyan Zaimov(trinityspeaks.wordpress.com)
Among the plethora of end times views that have emerged, there are many different beliefs on when the Rapture will happen, when Jesus will return, and how the prophecies written in the Book of Revelation might unfold.
The Rapture, the event that some claim is prophesied in the Book of Revelation, is a belief that believers will be taken into heaven, leaving unrepentant sinners behind on Earth to experience His judgment.
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Prophecy is invaluable predictive information given to us by a loving God, with 100 percent accuracy. In addition to equipping us for the days in which we live, prophecy authenticates God’s sovereignty, spares human lives, and ultimately saves lost souls. The primary goal of prophecy is to inform us, rather than impress us. God is not someone with too much time on His hands; He is the one who holds all time in His hands. This enables Him to share and declare the end from the beginning. His plan is to pronounce hope, rather than announce harm.+
Salus: Prophecies associated with the Mayan Calendar are extra-biblical, and the Rapture timing predictions of Harold Camping are unbiblical. There are over 2,300 references to Israel in the Bible, but I have yet to find even one concerning the Mayans. Therefore, prophecies concerning Israel attract my attention; whereas, Mayan predictions I consider biblically unfounded. - Clearly Prophetic (tammy4christ.wordpress.com)
The news from the Middle East these days are clearly prophetic. In view of the Bible. I’ve been alive 53 years and can say I don’t remember the times being what they are today. Iran, Syria, and definately are in Biblical Prophecy. - Sea Shepherd Prophecy (cyberwhalewarrior.com)
They shall turn upon their families first: their parents, siblings, aunts and uncles. “Why didn’t you tell me?” they will shout in desperation. “How could you not know this?”Those of us who know will be in much danger. They will take hold of us, shake us and demand, “Why didn’t you make me listen?” - The desolation prophecies (creationconcept.wordpress.com)
In the table below, various prophecies about desolation are listed. Among the things that are described as becoming desolate in prophecy are the city of Jerusalem, the temple, mount Zion, other mountains of Israel, the land of Israel, and the church. Even heaven is listed in the table below. - RUSSIA WARNS ISRAEL NOT TO ATTACK IRAN: Prophetic implications? (flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com)
Make no mistake: the Russian-Iranian strategic alliance that I’ve been writing about for the last several years has deepened to the point where Moscow is now unequivocally and quite openly backing the mullahs in Iran.
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Is Putin “Gog,” the evil leader described in the prophecies of Ezekiel 38-39? It came up during my recent speaking tour in Florida, and in a talk I gave to a group on Capitol Hill last week? Thus far, my answer remains the same — Putin is certainly “Gog-esque,” but it is too early to speculate on whether he is actually the biblical figure that will rise to power in Russia (known in Ezekiel’s prophecy as “Magog”) in the last days and build an alliance with Iran (“Persia”), Sudan (“Cush”), Turkey (“Gomer”), Libya and Algeria (“Put”), the countries of Central Asia (“Beth Togarmah”) to attack the State of Israel from “the north” (probably via Lebanon and Syria). - Two Keys to Biblical Prophecy (antwrites.com)
An Ipsos poll in 2006 found that 25% of adults believed it was at least “somewhat likely” that “Jesus Christ will return to Earth” in the coming year. Among white evangelical Christian adults, a whopping 46% believed this. Yet years later Jesus has still not returned. Want to know why Jesus did not come in 2007 or any year since then and still won’t come in 2012? - K. A. Auberlen on Daniel 10-12 (creationconcept.wordpress.com)
In the following, K. A. Auberlen discusses the prophecy contained in Daniel chapters 10-12.
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Daniel’s prophecy indicates the antichrist would exert his influence in “the glorious holy mountain,” which as Young tentatively suggested, refers to the Christian church. Daniel identified the holy mountain of God with Jerusalem, and he prayed that God’s anger would be turned away from Jerusalem. [Daniel 9:16] Daniel’s prayer could just as well apply to the church today, as to Jerusalem in Daniel’s time. - Old Testament prophecy fulfilled before our eyes?(gunnyg.wordpress.com)What do sycamore and cedar trees have to do with biblical prophecy, the tragic events of 9/11 and the imminent future of the United States?
- The Isaiah 9:10 Prophecy: Is U.S. Under God’s Judgment? (gunnyg.wordpress.com)
A messianic rabbi from New Jersey is stunning audiences nationwide by revealing the striking parallels between the fall of ancient Israel and what he suggests are God’s early judgments of America. - Were there witnesses other than the New Testament that Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies concerning Christ (wiki.answers.com)
Though the actual number of prophecies fulfilled by Christ can be argued and if any sources external to the Scripture make any indirect statements, the fact that the Scripture consistently proves they were fulfilled quite easily is there for the reader to discern as a source of historical perspective.It is not uncommon for biblical prophecy to have one level of fulfillment in the immediate future, and a final fulfillment many years later in the person and work of the Savior, Jesus. This is sometimes referred to as duality of prophecy. - Prophecy or Promise? (shinecycle.wordpress.com)
Not everything that Jesus fulfilled was a prophecy. We need to understand the differences between prophecies, promises, and “the words of the prophets.”
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when we consider a prophecy, and find in history events less than half a century afterward that fit a literal interpretation of the prophecy uncannily well, it’s at best folly to insist that the prophecy will be fulfilled “any day now!” - The Purpose(s) of Prophecy (shinecycle.wordpress.com)
Very few Scriptural prophecies were given so that the remote descendants would know that the events of their later day had been foretold; in fact, every example of that kind that I know of says so more or less explicitly (by saying something like “Seal up the words of this prophecy until such-and-such”). Instead, most were given so that the people might be encouraged by impending deliverance (or chastened by impending judgment), either immediate or very soon. - Sharia Rules in Egypt (lamarzulli.wordpress.com)
When the Arab Spring began months ago, and our talking heads on the networks assured us that the Egyptian people were fighting for democracy, I went on the record and declared that there would be no democracy, instead we would see Sharia or Islamic law, rule the day. This “prognostication” seems to have been fulfilled according to the article that I linked to above. There is a renewed hopelessness in many of the Egyptian people, as their hope of freedom and democracy seem to have been side-railed, perhaps forever.Update March 2, 2012:
- Prophecy: 4 antichrists (part 8) (mackquigley.wordpress.com)
Every Old Testament prophetic item that was to accompany the literal rule and reign of Jesus Christ as King of the Jews had a meaning that was contingent to the 1st advent. These initial meanings would have become the final meanings had the Jews accepted Christ in 30 AD. - The Book of Revelation in 5 easy minutes (4simpsons.wordpress.com)
the prophecies will always be right, but some of them aren’t that simple to understand. - Mountains made low (creationconcept.wordpress.com)
Isaiah’s prophecy about making a highway in the desert is coupled with a prophecy about mountains being made low, and in many interpretations of his prophecy, the mountains are reduced to mere bumps in the road! - Mountains and the promises of the gospel (creationconcept.wordpress.com)
much variety in the interpretations proposed for mountains is evident. In this post, I endeavour to show that the meaning of mountains in prophecy is connected with the promises of the gospel.
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Matthew 24-25 The Olivet Discourse. the mount of Olives represents the prophecy that Jesus gave there - The Trouble With Prophecies (fangirlingthroughfiction.wordpress.com)
musings about fiction
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Prophecies are like the get out of jail free cards of fantasy fiction and I hate them.
Visit of the Magi
In the February issue of The Christadelphian you shall be able to find an article by John M. Hellawell on additional evidence we have of the lack of synchrony with the birth of Jesus Christ because of the different words used to describe the child that the shepherds worshipped and the infant to whom the Magi presented their gifts. Another significant difference is that the Magi did not enter a stable or anything similar, but a house.
If the ‘star’ led them north and eventually arrived in Nazareth then not only do we have an explanation as to why and how the star was necessary, it also helps to explain how Herod lost track of the Magi.
“Unto us a child is born …”
The visit of the Magi: “We … are come to worship him”
THE assumption that the Magi visited the family of Jesus in Bethlehem is based on the Authorised Version rendering of the opening of Matthew’s account:
“Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem …” (2:1)
The use of “when” implies synchrony but other versions render this as “Now after Jesus was born …” (ESV); “After his birth …” (NEB, REB); “Not long after his birth …” (J. B. Phillips). The timing is indicated by comparing the information in verses 2, 7 and 16. The Magi came from “the east” and said they had seen his star “in the east” which, presumably indicates the location where they had observed it, not its compass direction. It is not clear whether this was a new star that astronomers had not previously recognised or some other phenomenon. The latter appears more likely as will be seen below. Herod “inquired of them [the Magi] diligently what time the star appeared” and hence the time of birth of the child. This would provide him with some indication of the age of any potential rival and, given his attempt to destroy the possible candidates (verse 16), it is probable that less than two years had elapsed since the star appeared, for Herod would probably add some extra time, just to be certain.
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Christadelphian February 2012
The February 2012 issue of The Christadelphian is available now.
In the magazine this month:
- Editorial
Watching - Letters to the Editor
- Sunday morning
“Cleansing our conscience”
Fred Pearce - Nottingham BLC
Progress report
BLC Management Team - Samson – a man of faith
Trevor A. Pritchard - The message to the seven churches
2 – To Ephesus
James Andrews - Questions Jesus asks
“Seest thou this woman?”
Paul Aston - The heart and holiness of God
2 – The parable of Hosea and Gomer
Andrew E. Walker - “Unto us a child is born …”
4 – The visit of the Magi: “We … are come to worship him”
John M. Hellawell - “Sing forth the honour of His Name”
Ten years of worship from the 2002 hymn book
John Botten - Signs of the times
Syria and her allies - Israel and their land
“Instability and uncertainty” - The brotherhood near and far
If you currently subscribe to The Christadelphian, your copy should arrive shortly.
If you don’t subscribe but would like to start, or would like a copy of this month’s issue, you can buy these online.
The index of the 2011 magazine is now available online – you can download it from here as a PDF (requires free Adobe Acrobat Reader).
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Deuteronomy 18:16 according to all that thou desiredst of Jehovah thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Jehovah my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.Deuteronomy 18:17 And Jehovah said unto me, They have well said that which they have spoken.
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.
Deuteronomy 18:21 And if thou say in thy heart, How shall we know the word which Jehovah hath not spoken?
Deuteronomy 18:22 when a prophet speaketh in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Psalms 110:1 «A Psalm of David.» Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Isaiah 9:2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwelt in the land of the {1} shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. {1) Or deep darkness}
Isaiah 9:3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, {1} thou hast increased their joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. {1) Another reading is thou didst not increase the joy}
Isaiah 9:4 For the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, thou hast broken as in the day of Midian.
Isaiah 9:5 For {1} all the armor of the armed man in the tumult, and the garments rolled in blood, shall be for burning, for fuel of fire. {1) Or every boot of the booted warrior}
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called {1} Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, {2} Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. {1) Or Wonderful counsellor 2) Heb Father of Eternity}
Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a shoot out of the stock of Jesse, and a branch out of his roots shall bear fruit.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold, my servant, whom I uphold; my chosen, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the {1} Gentiles. {1) Or nations (and elsewhere)}
Isaiah 42:2 He will not cry, nor lift up his voice, nor cause it to be heard in the street.
Isaiah 42:3 A bruised reed will he not break, and a dimly burning wick will he not quench: he will bring forth justice in truth.
Isaiah 42:4 He will not {1} fail nor be {2} discouraged, till he have set justice in the earth; and the isles shall wait for his law. {1) Or burn dimly 2) Or bruised}
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God Jehovah, he that created the heavens, and stretched them forth; he that spread abroad the earth and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Isaiah 42:6 I, Jehovah, have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thy hand, and will {1} keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; {1) Or form}
Isaiah 42:7 to open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison-house.
Isaiah 42:8 I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images.
Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare; before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isaiah 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye peoples, from far: Jehovah hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name:
Isaiah 49:2 and he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me: and he hath made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he kept me close:
Isaiah 49:3 and he said unto me, Thou art my servant; Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
Isaiah 49:4 But I said, I have labored in vain, I have spent my strength for nought and vanity; yet surely the justice due to me is with Jehovah, and my recompense with my God.
Isaiah 49:5 And now saith Jehovah that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, {1} and that Israel be gathered unto him (for I am honorable in the eyes of Jehovah, and my God is become my strength); {1) Another reading is but Israel is not gathered, yet shall I be etc}
Isaiah 49:6 yea, he saith, It is too light a thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, {1} that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. {1) Or that my salvation may be}
12 scenes from the life of the Annointed, promissed Saviour -c. 1450-1460 Anonymous - Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, Köln
Isaiah 52:14 Like as many were astonished at thee (his visage was so marred {1} more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men), {1) Or from that of man, and his form from that of the sons of men}
Isaiah 52:15 so shall he {1} sprinkle many nations; kings shall shut their mouths {2} at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they {3} understand. {1) Or startle 2) Or because of 3) Or consider}
Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed {1} our message? and to whom hath the arm of Jehovah been revealed? {1) Or that which we have heard}
Isaiah 53:2 For he grew up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; {1} and when we see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. {1) Or that we should look upon him; nor beauty etc}
Isaiah 53:3 He was despised, and {1} rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with {2} grief: and {3} as one from whom men hide their face he was despised; and we esteemed him not. {1) Or forsaken 2) Heb sickness 3) Or he hid as it were his face from us}
Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our {1} griefs, and carried our sorrows; yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. {1) Heb sicknesses}
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and Jehovah hath {1} laid on him the iniquity of us all. {1) Heb made to light}
Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, yet when he was afflicted he opened not his mouth; as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before its shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth.
Isaiah 53:8 {1} By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who among them considered that he was cut off out of the land of the {2} living for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due? {1) Or From 2) Or living? for the transgression of my people was he stricken}
Isaiah 53:9 And they made his grave with the wicked, and with a rich man in his death; {1} although he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. {1) Or because}
Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased Jehovah to bruise him; he hath {1} put him to grief: {2} when thou shalt make his soul {3} an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of Jehovah shall prosper in his hand. {1) Heb made him sick 2) Or when his soul shall make an offering 3) Heb a trespass-offering}
Isaiah 53:11 {1} He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: {2} by the knowledge of himself shall my righteous servant {3} justify many; and he shall bear their iniquities. {1) Or He shall see and be satisfied with the travail etc 2) Or by his knowledge 3) Or make many righteous}
Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he poured out his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors: yet he bare the sin of many, and {1} made intercession for the transgressors. {1) Or maketh}
Isaiah 61:2 to proclaim the year of Jehovah’s favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Isaiah 61:3 to appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them a garland for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they may be called trees of righteousness, the planting of Jehovah, that he may be glorified.
Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous {1} Branch, and he shall reign as king and {2} deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. {1) Or Shoot; Or Bud 2) Or prosper}
Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: {1} Jehovah our righteousness. {1) Or Jehovah is our righteousness}
Jeremiah 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will perform that good word which I have spoken concerning the house of Israel and concerning the house of Judah.
Jeremiah 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause a Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.
Jeremiah 33:16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely; and this is the name whereby she shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness.
Ezekiel 34:22 therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep.
Ezekiel 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
Ezekiel 34:24 And I, Jehovah, will be their God, and my servant David prince among them; I, Jehovah, have spoken it.
Ezekiel 34:25 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause evil beasts to cease out of the land; and they shall dwell securely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.
Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy king cometh unto thee; he is just, and {1} having {2} salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, even upon a colt the foal of an ass. {1) Heb saved 2) Or victory}
Zechariah 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem; and the battle bow shall be cut off; and he shall speak peace unto the nations: and his dominion shall be from sea to sea, and from the River to the ends of the earth.
Matthew 1:22 Now all this is come to pass, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying,
Matthew 1:23 {1} Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name {2} Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.{1) Isa 7:14. 2) Gr Emmanuel}
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Matthew 16:20 Then charged he the disciples that they should tell no man that he was the Christ.
Matthew 26:68 saying, Prophesy unto us, thou Christ: who is he that struck thee?
Mark 8:27 And Jesus went forth, and his disciples, into the villages of Caesarea Philippi: and on the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Who do men say that I am?
Mark 8:28 And they told him, saying, John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but others, One of the prophets.
Mark 8:29 And he asked them, But who say ye that I am? Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
Mark 8:30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and saith unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.
Mark 14:63 And the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What further need have we of witnesses?
Mark 14:64 Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be {1} worthy of death. {1) Gr liable to}
Luke 2:11 for there is born to you this day in the city of David a Saviour, who is {1} Christ the Lord. {1) Or Anointed Lord}
Luke 2:26 And it had been revealed unto him by the Holy Spirit, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.
John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things.
John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
John 7:26 And lo, he speaketh openly, and they say nothing unto him. Can it be that the rulers indeed know that this is the Christ?
John 7:27 Howbeit we know this man whence he is: but when the Christ cometh, no one knoweth whence he is.
John 7:31 But of the multitude many believed on him; and they said, When the Christ shall come, will he do more signs than those which this man hath done?
John 7:41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, What, doth the Christ come out of Galilee?
John 7:42 {1} Hath not the scripture said that the Christ cometh of the seed of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was? {1) 2 Sa 7:12 ff; Mic 5:2}
Acts 2:36 Let {1} all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified. {1) Or every house}
Acts 3:20 and that he may send the Christ who hath been appointed for you, even Jesus:
Acts 3:21 whom the heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, whereof God spake by the mouth of His holy prophets that have been from of old.
Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth set themselves in array, And the rulers were gathered together, Against the Lord, and against his {1} Anointed: {1) Gr Christ}
Acts 4:27 for of a truth in this city against thy holy {1} Servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the {2} Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together, {1) Or Child; See marginal note on Ac 3:13. 2) Gr nations}
Acts 4:28 to do whatsoever thy hand and thy council foreordained to come to pass.
Acts 10:38 even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Acts 18:28 for he powerfully confuted the Jews, {1} and that publicly, showing by the scriptures that Jesus was the Christ. {1) Or showing publicly}
Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained the help that is from God, I stand unto this day testifying both to small and great, saying nothing but what the prophets and Moses did say should come;
Acts 26:23 {1} how that the Christ {2} must suffer, and {1} how that he first by the resurrection of the dead should proclaim light both to the people and to the Gentiles. {1) Or if; Or whether 2) Or is subject to suffering.
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Following on:
- Jesus begotten Son of God #4 Promised Prophet and Saviour
- Jesus begotten Son of God #5 Apsotle, High Priest and King
- Jesus begotten Son of God #6 Anointed Son of God, Adam and Abraham
- Jesus begotten Son of God #3 Messiah or Anointed one
- Jesus begotten Son of God #7 A matter of the Future
- Jesus begotten Son of God #8 Found Divinely Created not Incarnated
- Jesus begotten Son of God #9 Two millennia ago conceived or begotten
- Jesus begotten Son of God #13 Pre-existence excluding virginal birth of the Only One Transposed
- Jesus begotten Son of God #14 Beloved Preminent Son and Mediator originating in Mary
- Jesus begotten Son of God #15 Son of God Originating in Mary
- The Beginning of the life of Jesus Christ
- Christ having glory
- The Beginning of the life of Jesus Christ
Dutch readers can also find the associated articles: / Nederlandstalige lezers kunnen de aansluitende artikelen lezen:
- Het begin van Jezus #1 Menselijke aspecten
- Het begin van Jezus #2 Aller Begin
- Het begin van Jezus #3 Voorgaande Tijden
- Het begin van Jezus #4 Aangekondigde te komen Verlosser
- Het begin van Jezus #5 Aankondigingsteksten uit de Schrift
- Jezus van Nazareth #1 Jezus Geboorte
- Jezus van Nazareth #2 De zoon van Maria
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For I am thy God, is an Awesome statement! When this statement came across, it came across with authority and ability. God is able to take care of you.
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He is… El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty) El Elyon (The Most High God) Adonai (Lord, Master) Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah) Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner) Jehovah-Raah (The Lord My Shepherd) Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals) Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There) Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness) Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You) El Olam (The Everlasting God) Elohim (God) Qanna (Jealous) Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide) Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace) Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts). - Psalm 30:1-12 (vidblogdotcom.wordpress.com)
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. - Do You Know God by Name? (hannahnitura.wordpress.com)
Being invited to greet and address an important person by name is an honor. Dignitaries are often addressed by titles, such as “Mr. President,” “Your Majesty,” or “Your Honor.” So if someone in high station told you, “Please, just call me by my name,” you would no doubt feel privileged. - Who, though, is God? Mankind is divided on this question. When asked who God is, a Japanese teenager named Yoshi replied: “I am not sure. I am a Buddhist, and it has not been important for me to know who God is.” Yoshi, though, admitted that Buddha himself is deified by many. Nick, a businessman in his 60′s, believes in God and thinks of him as an all-powerful force. When asked to explain what he knows about God, Nick replied after a long pause: “That is a very difficult question, my friend. All I can say is that God is there. He exists.” > We Need to Know Who God Is (hannahnitura.wordpress.com)
- J. A. Alexander and the mountains of Isaiah 40:4 (creationconcept.wordpress.com)
Isaiah 40:3-5 appears to show that the glory of the Lord will be revealed by the mountains being brought low, and the rough places being made smooth, and the valleys filled. But this must be explained; the prophet was not speaking of literally making the mountains low.
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Isaiah 57:14 refers to removing stumbling-blocks, and clearing the way, which is similar to the idea in 40:4. The meaning is spiritual; the spiritual stumbling-blocks need to be removed, including the flawed literal interpretations of prophecy! Then God’s glory is seen by all flesh. - God in Every Situation (bummyla.wordpress.com) gives several titles of Elohim Hashem God Jehovah the Most High
- The mountains of Isaiah 40 & 41 (creationconcept.wordpress.com)
When the prophet Isaiah refers to mountains in chapters 40 and 41, he speaks of them in parables; they are metaphors or symbols of God’s promises. The land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has a spiritual significance, a hidden, and a spiritual meaning far higher and greater than the literal, limited territory of Canaan. - Isaiah 6:11, “How long, Lord?” (creationconcept.wordpress.com)
the land of Canaan was a type and shadow of the spiritual blessing promised to believers.
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The people are estranged from the spiritual land of promise, that the literal land represents. Thus, they do not understand the message of Isaiah.Only when the people recognize that they have been long removed from that land, the spiritual promised land that Canaan represents, which has remained desolate and without inhabitant, can Isaiah’s prophecies be fully understood. - Isaiah 60:21: “they shall inherit the land for ever” (creationconcept.wordpress.com)
- The knowledge of God, a better promised land (creationconcept.wordpress.com)
- Address God with Reverence and Awe (revivalandreformation.wordpress.com)
may we thus distinguish ourselves from the worshippers of false gods. - Nahe Gott mit Furcht und Scheu! (jesaja662.wordpress.com)
Wenn wir diesen unendlich großen und herrlichen Gott ansprechen, mit dem wir es zu tun haben, dann müssen wir es in feierlicher Weise als solche tun, die vom vollen Bewusstsein Seiner tatsächlichen Gegenwart und von einer heiligen Furcht und Scheu seiner Majestät ergriffen sind. - On the Nature of Christ (christadelphians.wordpress.com)
The divine paternity of Jesus would stand an unassailable truth, even if the records of Matthew and Luke had no existence. These records are, however, invaluable. They are the circumstantial illustrations of a truth which, though the nature of the case, and the prophetic testimony necessitate it, we could not have so clearly and satisfactorily comprehended without them. They explain to us the appearance and character of Christ, and make us privy to the divine method of procedure, from its incipiency onwards, in the most wondrous work of God among men. - Is Jehovah for real? (antwrites.com)
We will only know the true Name of God at the gathering of His people back to the Land, then later, at the Return of Jesus– His new Name and that of the city - Isaiah 12-14 (mybiblereadingplan.wordpress.com)
And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant. - Deuteronomy Chapter 26 (pofw.wordpress.com)
This chapter is telling the children of Israel what to do once they arrive, and take over and get settled at the land that God gave them as an inheritance. - Who is Allah ??(mackquigley.wordpress.com)“Allah” is an Arabic word that is a contraction of “al-” (the) and “-illah” (god) into a single word that simply means – “the god.”This is a description or title – “the god” – but it is not a real name.
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The Jews to this day refer to God as “ha shem” which means “the name” – an expression they use to avoid saying God’s name directly or too often – since it would be irreverent to do so. In reading the Bible the Jews use the word “Adonai” (“Lord”) whenever they come to this special word. For the same reason, the Holy Bible in English (King James Version) replaces the name of God with “the LORD” (all capital letters) to indicate that it is God’s holy name is in the passage. - Israel the threshing sledge (creationconcept.wordpress.com)
Edward J. Young thought that the mountains of Isaiah 41:15 represent enemies of Israel, but he identified Israel with the church, as did J. A. Alexander. He wrote [Edward J. Young. The Book of Isaiah: Chapters 40-66. Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 1972. p. 89.]
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The mountains of Isaiah’s prophecy may be taken to be the mountains of Israel, but they are symbolic, not of nations or rulers, as many commentators suppose, but of God’s promises, and revelations, including prophecies, as explained in Mountains as promises. The Israel which is to become a threshing sledge is the church. The centuries-long struggle to interpret prophecy and extract from it the truths of the Gospel, is the threshing process. The chaff that is blown away by the wind represents all the flawed interpretations. The kernels of grain which remain are spiritual nourishment for the saints. - A promise given in the Garden of Eden
- Altered to fit a Trinity
- Lord or Yahuwah, Yeshua or Yahushua
Hashem, the name of the Creator revealed.
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We have come in the time that God is taking away the title Lord again. More and more people are finding Gods Name and are becoming aware that they should use that Name. It has become time also that more and more Bible Translations which use the Name of God come into the forefront. - Why believing the Bible
Often we hear people arguing that Jesus did not exist. But that would be the same as saying Alexander the Great, Stalin or Hitler did not exist. You may eiterh like or not like those persons, you cannot neglect the historical evidence that those persons existed and did certain things which shall stay imprinted in human history. - Preexistence in the Divine purpose and Trinity
- A Jewish Theocracy
- Who is Jesus Christ? #1 What does the Bible say
- “Son of God” – “God the Son”
- No Other Name (But Jesus)
- Whether Jesus existed or not
- How people see Jesus placed in history
- Yeshua a man with a special personality
- Who was Jesus?
- Who is Jesus Christ?
- Who is Jesus #1 Introduction
- Who is Jesus #2 Jesus Christ, man who died
- Who is Jesus #4 Clear statements that our heavenly Father is his “God”
- Who is Jesus #6 Jesus prays to God
- Who is Jesus #7 Also. Trust in God; trust also in me
- Who is Jesus #8 Father greater than Jesus
- Who is Jesus #9 100% or not
- Who is Jesus #10 Jesus was tempted in every way
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Manifests for believers #5 Christian Union
In Manifests for believers #3 Catholic versus Protestant we saw that what was meant as signal, a call to seek together how our church also today could bring over credibly the ‘good news’ of and over Jesus, has now grown out to a severe debate over how the Catholic Church can, may or must be develop and if it may or may not or must adapt to the time.
These signatories of the manifesto agree that it not simple to face those differences which come to light now. The differences that came onto the surface may have lingered already for many years, though those in charge of the Belgian Church did not want to face them. It will not be easy to go about with the differences on a sober and evangelic manner. Plurality becomes quick disunion. That makes it so difficult in our chaotic world to hold in front the vision of someone else, and to experience it full of joy.
“Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptised into {Or in; also in verse 15} the name of Paul?” (1 Corinthians 1:13 NIV) asked Paul already at the torn municipality of Corinth.
All ought to yield the courage with each other over these fundamentally different views, to come in dialogue. With an open mind and without fear for mutual questioning.
The several manifests circulating could give an indication of we who want to call our selves Christian should be more eager to become united with all those who accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour. In his death we should certainly be united with him because that is the prospect we are also looking for in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. But we also should not be enslaved to the world, nor to worldly traditions and human dogmas. In the New Testament we can find God giving direction to the apostles how to cope with the difference of living of the heathen becoming a follower of Christ and the Jew following Christ as well. Several Jewish Laws became redundant and why should we as human people than restrict others with newly imposed rules, brought forward by human people at certain times.
For one who has died has been set free from sin, but is also liberated from this world. There is no need for extra rules to become accepted in the Kingdom of God, because if we have died with Christ, we are assured that we will also live with him.
Considering ourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus we should accept and respect all others who have also chosen to follow Christ Jesus. As such taking harsh actions and using not appropriate ‘dirty’ words to other followers of Christ is contrary the Law of Christ, the man of peace, to bring arguments a step further and letting them grow to quarrels. We should not be wranglers but bringers of peace and taking care that no sin would reign in our mortal body, to make us obey its passions.
When we look at Christendom we see many deviations. History, arguments, differences in ideas how to do things, made that we do have different denominations. And in each denomination we do encounter also different characters, which are as different as the different parts which make up our body. Jesus had learned his apostles that not one is better or higher placed than the other and that we all should help each other to grow in the community of believers. therefore we should not present our members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present ourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and our members to God as instruments for righteousness.

- Choosing for unity
It may be strange that the first call for unity has been started off by the Pentecostals who often oppose so many times other believers and often undertake many aggressive actions against non-Trintiarians, like us.
In the year 2007 the Pinksterbeweging or Pentecostal Movement in the Netherlands celebrated her hundred birthday existence. On the century celebration in the Olympic Stadium, Bass Plaisier, then scriba of the Protestant Church the Netherlands, said: ‘What has lately there been spoken with contempt over you sometimes. There have been talks over you as if you no longer were spiritually healthily. The enthusiastic expressions of the joy of the belief, the signs of the Holy Spirit in speaking in tongues, prophecy and cure, sometimes being labelled as a work of the wicked person. What a dedain, what a contempt. As if emotion be part of a primitive form of beliefs. The same as the Muslims now, you were despised by enlightenment thinkers and found backward. Brothers and sisters, I want to say to you, that I feel ashamed about this. As we may not despise each other’s deepest belief choices – for such attitude we need pardon.’
From that time some protestants wanted to choose for (more) unity because Christ is not divided. Christ has the walls broken that hold men separated. As Christ has broken walls , we may not set them up . They choose for unity because Christ had prayed: ‘So that they are one ‘ (John 17:22).
The “Municipality of Jesus Christ” or Community of Christ has to encounter a powerful enemy. This enemy is the “god of this world”. We must not underestimate him then. The world with her many ideas tries to attire the people and lure them in its trap.
Today we see that men many live on their feelings, also when it concerns belief. They like to sit within a church or community where they can find themselves at ease. Often they prefer not to become too much involved. The easiest for them is that everything passes by and that they can be onlookers. Or being in a circle of nice men and women, feel themselves at home. That feels good! For their feeling God’s person is present!
We can wonder if they do understand the real meaning of having to accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted them, in order to bring praise to God? (Romans 15:7 )
We should accept those believers who are not the same as us and do perhaps not believe all the same things as we do. As followers of Christ we should be all brothers and sisters in Christ, though we may have different and contradicting habits, characters, do mistakes, have deviant understandings and behaviours. As Christ has accepted you and us with all your and our weaknesses, mistakes, deviations and even sins we also should accept others.
If we really once went deeply to realize, who and what we were when Christ accepted us – what a miserable men we were by nature in ourselves, and how big Gods grace is that He really has accepted us – then we will also be more generous and more permissively to our opposite and fellow believers.
In addition the public of the parish churches remain at home and the dioceses have to contend with a lack of ministers. The shortage of Catholic priests has put a big burden on the Flemish priests, who mostly got a considerable age, and on the parishes. While those really interested in the well-being of the Roman Catholic Church brought their call in the manifesto “Believers take the word” “Gelovigen nemen het woord” the conservatives really reacted very harsh, even calling their fellow Catholics heretics.Matter is that in Belgium the Roman Catholic Church can really do with some reform. This should not mean that they do have to take a choice between radical preservation and radical change. Both extremes naturally can, but go past to the fact that there are several opportunities .
In the broad stream in the middle of of the spectrum between ‘radical stasis’ and ‘radical exchange office’ (to use the words of the Dutch architect Brake Koolhaas) a fan of possibilities can be found. The congregation has to think how many church-buildings it still wants to keep to bring worship services and how they can make as much use of those existing buildings. Then they have to look how they can bring interesting church-services which can attract more people. More work has to be made to proclaim the Word of God instead a narrow view of an institution. Though some Flemish organisations do find that Flanders has to do everything for Christ and Christ has to go for Flanders, having the Catholic Church keeping in the traditional footsteps of the Vatican.
Those conservative Catholics do seem to be blind to the ‘annus horribilis’ for the Flemish church last year. It began with the discharge because of child abuse of the bishop of Bruges. After the ecclesiastic call to make sexual abuse known, followed a painful abuse story in the press and a shower of ‘old’ complaints by the commission-Adriaenssens, plus a rush of conservatives who saw in it all an attack against the Holy Church of Rome.
A first observed petition was that ‘for a credible and liberating church’: Manifest ‘voor een geloofwaardige en bevrijdende kerk’. These got also resistance of the conservative Roman Catholics that asked not to go into the contestation against the traditional belief proclamation which according the conservatives is undermining of the papal authority. The compilers had the present church crisis in mind. It was the first signal, followed by the same call in “Believers take the word” or manifest “Gelovigen nemen het woord”, to respect those lonely believers in church, who wanted to give their zest or sole for the church in which they believed to be a catholic institution.
Both longed for a credible and liberating church, and that it is about time to come to bundle the powers. The first petition handed over on Christmas Eve 2010 had 6.800 signatories while the second one handed over to the Flemish bishops last February the eight got 8235. In both we can find good intentions, though several conservative Catholics do not want to see that. Their intention was to bring and to ask for more encouragement: so many people do want an evangelic inspired church community, a more authentic church. Also they would love to see more exhortation: work of the promised think thank around power in the church community.
Catholic Flanders really got a shower of manifests over them. More recent there were petitions ‘against the secular dictatorship’ with so 3,000 signatures, against the abstraction at the service of the Brussels Saint-Kathelijnekerk with more than 6,100 signatories and on the manifesto “Believers take the word” followed the counteraction “Believers accept the word” with a 200 signatories and “Unbelievers take the word’ or “[On]gelovigen nemen het woord” . Also in the Netherlands, single manifestos could not stay away. *
Inscription with the Name of God: Jehovah in de Roman Catholic Church Saint-Fiacre in Dison, Belgium
Those who do want to follow Christ should be aware that Jesus gave his teachings based on the Law of God, his Father. He wanted that we listen to his Father and do what He requires from us. In the Old Testament we are given Laws or Commandments. There was an old Covenant but with Christ Jesus we did receive a new Covenant, but that does not mean that we should ignore the Old Testament Teachings. Also Jesus kept to the Torah.
Jesus also warned us to be careful not to follow the will of men but the Will of God. And that is what we should carry in our hearts and should try to do. God did not give any dogma‘s. Those were given by human institutions. We should be aware that we should not be members of a Church of men, but of a Church of Christ as some want to call it, or better of a Church of God.
We should be aware that in a church that doesn’t follow Christ’s doctrine correctly, the whole church and congregation is to some degree accountable. We were ordered to justify, educate and encourage each other. All people in a community should try to make the best for the community and should help each other to stay on the right path.
All members in a church community should not only help in the parish community but should keep an eye on the teachings as well. In case wrong teaching are brought in they should bring this to attention of everybody. In case members of a church do come into a situation where wrong teachings take the overhand they should leave that person after they did everything to bring him or her to her senses. Therefore every Christian has the task to do his or her best to point out to the church the problems and attempt to resolve them. If this is not possible, those who prefer to follow the teachings of the Bible instead of the teachings of men, should look for other people who really want to study the Word of God seriously and want to follow That Guide.
Every person wanting to call himself Christian should keep to the teachings of Jesus, who brought the Words of his Father, and should find a church that does follow the teachings of Jesus correctly.
Wrong doctrine is a serious concern. Consider the following passages:
1 Tim 4:16
Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.
1 Tim 6:3-5
If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, (4) he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, (5) and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.
2 Tim 4:3-4
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, (4) and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
Rev 18:4-5
Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; (5) for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
There is no specific office of “minister” or “pastor” mentioned in the Bible and in the first churches the people came together to read and discuss the Word of God together. Ministers, priests or clerical celibacy are ‘modern’ human inventions. The original church leaders were “elders” or “overseers”. These were always male as indicated in 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:7-9. Also, in 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul says: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man”. But women also had their tasks in the ecclesia and helped to proclaim the Word of God. They were also responsible for spreading the believe in Christ, and therefore we may not diminish their function. Every lay person as such can do something in the service. We should come together regularly, men, women and children and meet in unity as brothers and sisters in Christ.
In case you want to learn more how to make church or how to understand the Biblical teachings you can always ask some serious Bible Student to help you. Do not hesitate to contact a Christadelphian group in you neighbourhood, and ask them for a Bible Study.
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* Een Manifest voor Gelovigen + Manifest Gelovigen nemen het woord + Manifest: [On-]Gelovigen nemen het woord + Gelovigen aanvaarden het Woord naar aanleiding van de petitie “(on)gelovigen nemen het woord” + Gelovigen ‘nemen’ het woord niet… Gelovigen ‘AANVAARDEN’ het Woord
+ Is de ketterse petitie ‘Gelovigen nemen het woord’ een complot van CD&V en NVA??? + Manifest tot protestantse kerk + Manifestanten Protestant of Katholiek
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Petitie 24com: Gelovigen aanvaarden het Woord + Voor een Katholiek Vlaanderen! AVVVVK
Petitie: “Voor een geloofwaardige en bevrijdende kerk” = anti-katholiek en anti-clericaal
De eenheid van de Kerk komt tot uiting in het herderschap van de bisschop van Rome, de Paus, over de gehele Kerk. Hij is immers de opvolger van Petrus tot wie Christus had gezegd: ‘Gij zijt Petrus en op deze steenrots zal Ik mijn Kerk bouwen’ (Mt 16,18). En bij Johannes horen Jezus tot Petrus zeggen: ‘Weid mijn lammeren, hoed mijn schapen’ (Joh 19, 16-17).
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De katholiciteit of universaliteit van de Kerk houdt niet alleen in dat het geloof van de Kerk overal verspreid is, maar betekent vooral dat men overal hetzelfde geloof aantreft. Of het nu de oude kerken van Europa zijn, of de jonge kerken in de ontwikelingslanden, overal treft met één en hetzelfde katholieke geloof aan. En dat is een soort garantiebewijs: als ik merk dat mijn geloof overeenstemt met het geloof van de wereldkerk, dan kan ik er van op aan dat ik me op het juiste spoor bevindt en het rechte geloof aanhang.
Petitie ‘Voor een geloofwaardige en bevrijdende kerk’
Vele leden en symphatisanten van Pax Christi Vlaanderen vinden in de persoon van Jezus van Nazareth kracht en inspiratie. De problemen en de schandalen die de voorbije maanden in de katholieke kerk aan het licht kwamen, leiden vaak tot ontmoediging bij velen die zich inzetten in de geloofsgemeenschap of van hen die er lid van zijn. Maar dat hoeft niet zo te blijven.
Tertio Debat: Gelovigen nemen het woord
Ketterlijst met 8200+ katholieken op internet gezet
De Vlaamse ketterlijst is een reactie op de petitie ‘Gelovigen nemen het woord’ van vernieuwingsgezinde katholieken in Vlaanderen. De lijst is een resultaat van ‘een groep verontwaardigde Rooms-Katholieke vliegenmeppers, strijdend tegen modernistische vliegen in de Rooms-Katholieke Kerk’.
Brief van Anne Vandenhoeck aan de kerstster![]()
Brief aan de luisteraars van het Braambos, uitgezonden in het Braambos, Radio 1 op 12 december 2010
Anne Vandenhoeck superviseert aan het Academisch Centrum voor Praktische Theologie in Leuven en ze is stafmedewerker van het vicariaat Caritas in Brugge. Tot eind juni heeft ze d’er nog een benoeming bij. Die van Braambos-briefschrijver.
Bedenking ten aanzien van de petitie “Gelovigen nemen het woord”
In onze parochie en omliggende waren er priesters en gelovigen die meenden ‘met de tijd te moeten meegaan’ en zo sijpelde druppelsgewijs het vergift binnen in al die parochies. Mensen haakten af. Parochieteams werden gevormd en catechisten die niet in hun pas liepen werden buitengewerkt. (zij gaven ‘oubollige catechese’, waren ‘extreem rechts’(?) en ook ‘fundamentalist’…!)
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Related articles in Dutch: Aanverwante artikelen:
- Een Manifest voor Gelovigen
- Publieke overdracht van Manifest Gelovigen nemen het woord
- Manifestanten Protestant of Katholiek
- Manifest tot protestantse kerk
- manifest “Gelovigen nemen het woord”
- Reli-Quote 500: de bestbetaalde voorgangers
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- Manifests for believers #2 Changing celibacy requirement (christadelphians.wordpress.com)
- Manifests for believers #3 Catholic versus Protestant (christadelphians.wordpress.com)
- Manifests for believers #4 Eucharist (christadelphians.wordpress.com)
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- 1 Corinthians 1-3 (mybiblereadingplan.wordpress.com)
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
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Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. - Galatians 2:11-21 (markallenwhite.wordpress.com)
Is your freedom in Christ threatened by your fear of man? - Sanctified in Christ Jesus (justificationbygrace.com)
we are sanctified through Christ Jesus, because it is his blood and the water which flowed from his side in which the Spirit washes our heart from the defilement and propensity of sin. It is said of our Lord, —“Christ also loved the Church, and gave himself for it; that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that he might present it to himself a glorious Church, not having spot, or wrinkle or any such thing.”
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Christ shall put an end to all our inbred sins, and through him we shall mount to heaven perfect even as our Father which is in heaven is perfect. - We Are Ambassador’s for Christ Jesus (codybateman.org)
Manifests for believers #4 Eucharist
In the previous article Manifests for believers #3 Catholic versus Protestant we pointed already at the idea of the opponents of the Manifest for believers Manifest Gelovigen nemen het woord (Religiuously or Believers take the word)who do find that a lay men can not bring a sermon and also should not be allowed to say the sacred words of the consecration, nor hand out the bread and wine at the Holy Communion!” The conservative Catholics say. Also the “gegraai” or the groping in the tabernacle (the goblet), that we see now always more, is a real plague! “Women must remain with their hands from the tabernacle!” Asking that women should be able to become priests is something they do not believe the writers of the manifest are really asking. Though in the manifest Gelovigen nemen het woord is written: “We plead in favour that within the shortest time as well married men as women shall be permitted the priest office. We, religious, need them now very badly.
A delegation of the study Group Kerkenwerk (Churchwork) on Thursday 9 February, in Malines (Mechelen) handed over the Manifesto “Religiously take the word” to the Flemish bishops and has given them the list of the names of the signatories.
The Manifesto, that is a call at the Flemish bishops to break through the impasse, in which the Churches in Flanders is been found, through reformation, is endorsed by 8235 religiously, mainly via the internet, some also written.
Emmanuel Van Lierde has the impression that petitions, it appears to be well a new trend in the Flemish church. A first observed petition was that ‘for a credible and liberating church’. Ends 2010 signed 6,800 religiously that signal to encouragement in full peadofilicrisis. More recent there were petitions ‘against the secular dictatorship’ with about 3,000 signatures, against the abstraction of the service of the Brussels Saint-Kathelijnekerk with more than 6,100 signatories and on the manifesto Religious take the word followed the counter action Religious accept the word with a 200 signatories.
According to the study Group Kerkenwerk the plea to let married men and women come into the priest office, has to be seen in the frame to make it possible to have the Church grow in these difficult times in which we do need more diversification in which creatively should be sought to new roads round the multiplicity of talents and to utilize better the engagement of many religious people.
That some of the signing members of the manifest also do not believe in transubstantiation, meaning that the piece of bread given to the believers, is really the body of Christ, is pure heresy and apostasy according the opponents. For the conservatives it is clear that men as Dekimpe praise no longer the transubstantiation! They do forget that Pope Innocent III had recognized (1215) the doctrine of transubstantiation, which resulted in the public and general worship of the consecrated host. The doctrine, first elaborated by theologians in the 13th century, was incorporated into documents of the Council of Trent. In the mid-20th century, some Roman Catholic theologians interpreted it as referring to a change of meaning rather than a change of substance, but in 1965 Paul VI called for the retention of the original dogma. According to the conservative Catholics the writers of the manifest ignore the fact of the Real Presence, which is, indeed, the central dogma every Catholic should hold on.
Although the manna, a type of the Eucharist, was indeed eaten with the mouth, it could not, being a transitory food, ward off death. The second food, that offered by the Heavenly Father, is the bread of heaven, which He dispenses hic et nunc to the Jews for their spiritual nourishment, inasmuch as by reason of the Incarnation He holds up His Son to them as the object of their faith. If, however, the third kind of food, which Christ Himself promises to give only at a future time, is a new refection, differing from the last-named food of faith, it can be none other than His true Flesh and Blood, to be really eaten and drunk in Holy Communion. This is why Christ was so ready to use the realistic expression “to chew” (John 6:54, 56, 58: trogein) when speaking of this, His Bread of Life, in addition to the phrase, “to eat” (John 6:51, 53: phagein).*
“I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live for ever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live for ever.”” (John 6:51-58 NIV)
Catholics do believe that Jesus is God who gives his blood and body daily to those members of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, the highest form of civilization, who come to His table. Only believers liberated from their sins by the confession are allowed to take this manlike god in their mouth but may not chew on him, because mastication of God would be a big sin. Here we can see again an other pagan idolatry and Christian image-worship. The host has lost the symbol of the bread being a representation of the ‘Bread of Life’. The Catholics take it to be really the Holy sacred body of God, and in many churches you can find relic-worship of this consecrated host being put in golden receptacles, called the monstrance. In lots of Roman Catholic Churches it is exposed for the adoration of the people.In older times we did find already reactions against this adoration of a piece of bread.
As late as 1820 a great jubilee was celebrated at Brabant in commemoration of the desecration of the host at Enghien in 1370. This festival lasted eight days, during which sixteen hosts studded with diamonds were borne in solemn procession through the streets. Fifty years later (1870), while a committee and the clergy of Brussels were making preparations for this ancient festival, an article appeared in the “Revue Belgique,” entitled “Le Jubilé d’un Faux Miracle,” etc., which proved by the original sources that, although three Jews had been burned in 1370 on the charge of having stolen a host, “pro sacramentis punice et furtive captis,” the original document had been changed sixty-five years later to read “pro sacramento puncto et furtive accepto,” in order to fabricate an accusation of desecration of the host. Other falsifications being discovered in the document, Pope Pius IX felt obliged to stop the festival. In the Church of Sainte-Gudule, Brussels, are several Gobelin tapestries containing representations of the supposed desecration of the host in 1370.**
The refutation of the so-called Sacramentarians, a name given by Luther to those who opposed the Real Presence, evinces as clearly the impossibility of a figurative meaning. Once the manifest literal sense is abandoned, occasion is given to interminable controversies about the meaning of an enigma which Christ supposedly offered His followers for solution. *
Only ordained people who abstain from sex can bless the bread of the Lord’s Supper and say “This is my body” after which they may hand out the body of Christ, god the son, the conservative Catholics say. Asking to allow women to be able to say this is degrading the Holy Sacrament and blasphemy.(***)
The writers of the Manifest not speaking of the wine miraculously becoming the blood of Christ and the bread miraculously becoming the body of Christ seem to offend many.
But Jesus does speak of the symbology of our taking the wine and the bread as representing our unity with one another and with us being involved with the sacrifice of Christ. As Jesus said in Matthew 10:38 “whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me” and Paul in Romans 6:5-13
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. (6) We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. (7) For one who has died has been set free from sin. (8) Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. (9) We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. (10) For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. (11) So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. (12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. (13) Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness.
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*Proof from Scripture – The real presence as a fact > The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist
**Defiling the host or sacred wafer of the mass: desecration of host
(***) God can not die, but Jesus, being a man could die but only once. A “re-sacrifice” of Jesus Christ for our sins, or a “re-offering / re-presentation” of His sacrifice is not necessary. Scripture says, that Jesus died “once for all” and does not need to be sacrificed again (Hebrews 10:10; 1 Peter 3:18). Hebrews 7:27 declares, “Unlike the other high priests, He (Jesus) does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when He offered Himself.” The bread and the wine are symbols of the body and blood of Jesus, but are not a representation of God nor His body or his blood (Because God is a ghost and has no body or blood as human beings.) The bread Jesus was breaking represented what he was going to do. The same for the wine he gave them – his blood hadn’t yet been shed, but the wine represented the blood that would be shed. These words were not meant to be taken in a literal sense then, nor are they now.
Preceding article: Manifests for believers #3 Catholic versus Protestant
To be continued: Manifests for believers #5 Christian Union
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Please do find to read:
Is Jesus Christ actually present in the bread and wine of the Eucharist/communion?
The Lord’s supper is done both to help Christians remember what Jesus has done, and also to proclaim what Jesus has done (‘For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes’: 1 Cor. 11:26).
What is Holy Communion? Why is it necessary to a Christian’s life?Children ate the OT passover so why not NT bread and wine?Are the bread and wine just symbols, or are they really Jesus flesh and blood?Why did Jesus say he wouldn’t drink wine again until the kingdom when he ate and drank other things? (Mark 14:25)Why wasn’t the lying prophet killed? (1 Kings 13)
Who Can Receive Communion? according Catholics
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During The Eucharist, The Church teaches that the host and wine are consecrated by the priest. After the consecration, they become the body and blood of Jesus Christ through transubstantiation. So that Catholics (and other Christian denominations) believe that upon receipt the Blessed Sacrament, we touch Jesus – literally.
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For additional reading, the Real presence of Christ in the Eucharist contains an overview of various Christian denominations and their belief (or not) in transubstantiation. The Catholic Encyclopedia has a reference article for additional information. - Audio for Eucharist (lettersonorthodoxy.wordpress.com)
Here’s some additional audio resources regarding the Eucharist - Eucharist : Communion or Discrimination?? (catholicakauniversal.wordpress.com)

Eucharist has been a controversial topic, specially in a multicultural and multi-religious continent like Asia.
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In the Hindu temple they offer the devotees Prasad a food offering made to a god and then shared among the people, to both Hindus and non-Hindus.
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we can Evangelize better if we understood the real concept of the Eucharist that Christ explained to us. This is something that has to be considered instead of arguing whether we should receive communion directly on hand or tongue. It would be more meaningful if we call everyone for a fellowship, a real communion without discriminating others with the sentence announced during the mass “Non-Christians are not allowed to receive Communion!” And I hope that they will dawn someday
Till then, Eucharist is only for the Baptized Christians! - The Holy Eucharist – The Bread of Life (catholicsview.wordpress.com)
The mysticism of the Christian faith has been eaten away by society. Despite miracles being recorded throughout history, as people of God we have lost faith in them. The mystery of transubstantiation (bread and wine becoming the body and blood of Jesus) is one of these miracles that occur at each Mass across the world. Non-catholic churches that used to believe in the Eucharist have gone from believing in transubstantiation to, “If you think it’s real for you, then it is real” and “it is only a symbol” in order to conform to societies’ ideals and beliefs. - Contraception, Spilling One’s “Seed” and the Obama Health Care Ruling (woodgatesview.com)
Ahh Catholicism. What fond memories I have about my first Communion, Confirmation, serving my first Mass as an alter boy and best of all, my awareness of sin. Without sin in our lives there is chaos. There can be no understanding for our purpose on earth and what lies in store for us afterwards without a sense of our sinful life. - Catechistic Introduction (boyd41.wordpress.com)
Catechistic Notes includes posts on Christian Faith and Worship. These posts comprise paraphases, quotes, references, and personal impressions from several catechistic documents. - A Bunch of Ignorance and a Mammoth of Delusion (esoriano.wordpress.com)
If what is in the cup is the real blood of Jesus, how can the mass be an unbloody sacrifice? If what is in the cup is only symbolic blood, it is also symbolically bloody, doesn’t it follow?
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Praying and praising His name is symbolic of the incense which is pure sacrifice that will reach the throne of the Almighty! It is not something material, for then, not everyone would have access to it. It is not something readily found in those who prefer to delude themselves by way of ascribing spiritual presence to bread and wine that they call Christ’s body and blood – which they offer again and again.
Manifests for believers #3 Catholic versus Protestant
In 2007 there appeared already a Manifest for the believers in the Low Countries. It was started by people from the Protestant church of the Netherlands (PKN = Protestantse Kerk Nederland) and at the turn of the year the Flemish Catholic priests launched a Manifest for believers Manifest “Gelovigen nemen het woord”, “Believers take the word”. Both the manifests wanted to take care that their church community would be growing and be a union of believers.
Both manifests with a new one this month are concerned by the falling church-membership and the loss of believers. The first manifest: Manifest ‘Wij kiezen voor eenheid’ or ‘We choose for unity’ consecrated on the union we would like to see between all those who call themselves Christian. For the writers of the manifest it does not go up that there is so much enormous disunion in the churches in the Dutch-language religiously of the Beneluxand therefore they want to call the believers to go for a joint slogan: ‘We choose for unity’.
Their “Manifesto for unity” got not such an attention from the public and did not get so known. The manifesto for believers Manifest “Gelovigen nemen het woord” presented to the Belgian belief community at the turn of the year hit like a bomb. It got the approval from 8233 religiously but had probably more counter parts. A lot of Roman Catholics launched a counter attack. In the month January the reaction was so violently that the initiators against the end of the month, or begin this month took away their website with further definitions. (The manifesto itself can still be found.)
The intentions of the Manifesto for religiously had been meant honourably to have the Roman Catholics embrace their Catholic Church in Flanders. The writers of the manifesto are well disposed towards the Roman Catholic Churchand do not want to bear it ill feelings but life in the brewery appeared when they outed their grievances and presented their proposals to get some more life in church again.Quickly they were compared to unbelieving and their ideas as “disbelievingly” and they became reproached to have taken over the protestant language and by doing so already committed treachery to the Roman Holy Catholic Church.
By the religious that followed masses by the undertakers of the manifest now even more confusion crept in and created despair. That enthusiast priests that called up the ordinary man in the street to come to work together building up the church for today and for the future felt now abused and contemplated through the Catholic establishment as “Heretical “.
Although we may know we that heresy or heterodoxy points to a deliberate and intentional deviation of what in a particular belief community or belief or church community is considered as being part of their fundamental belief teachings and laws. As it is also an accusation levied against members of another group which has beliefs which conflict with those of the accusers, we can see certain conflicts came up in the debate, but which should not be in contrast to the Roman Catholic Law.
The signatories of the “Manifesto for believers” had certainly no intentions at all to let an other separation follow the already awful thinned out group of religious men in the small country Belgium. The sex-scandals in the Roman Catholic Church did already too much damage. The clergy as well as the believers needed the commotion like they needed a hole in the head. They want to adhere to the Catholic teachings but would prefer to go back to the first century church. They do think they have enough teachings provided in the Holy Bible so that men do not need to bind others to man made teachings or to restrict others by their own teachings. They just wanted to go back to the teachings which were already part of the church life in early centuries. They also found that the church had to put away certain teachings which where brought into existence for all sorts of reasons, of which some were financial (as protecting the church property).
We are also not quite sure that the signatories could be charged with Apostasy because their action should not be considered as ‘a defection or revolt’, and they do not want to get a disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of a religion by any person. The debate on the function of the woman in church has been a difficult point for many years already in the Roman Catholic Church. Rudolf Bultmann and the “character” of debates over ordination of women and gay priests brought forward many accusations of heresy in the past and again today.
Writing amidst the turbulence of the political, monetary, clergy paedophile abuse sex-scandals, and church population crisis, the writers of the Flemish manifest did not want to counter the high-handed or stubborn traditionalist and conservative Catholics. They saw how the Church was loosing souls and wanted to save them and to get people back into the church.
The same as smoking is harmful for your health, the Rooms Katholieke Vliegenmeppers (The Roman Catholic Flyswatters) do find that the priests who wrote and signed the Manifest for believers are as harmful for the people souls welfare. They do call the believers not to receive the Holy Sacraments of these priests and not to go to partake their Holy Mass. They, with many others, do find that those priests who call for a change in the Roman Catholic Church, are heretics and unworthily to do the Mass or ‘ Misoffer’, the “Sacrifice of the Mass”.
According Katholieke Actie Vlaanderen (Catholic Action Flanders) there has come a schism in the Belgian Catholic Church. (See: Ketters in Vlaanderen = Heretics in Flanders) The accusation levied against those Catholic priests who are concerned about the decline of the Roman Catholic Church is somewhat strange. First of all those makers of the manifest do everything to keep the Roman Catholic Church on its feet in those turbulent times. They want the best for the survival of the Catholic Church in Belgium.
They do not want to undermine accepted morality and cause tangible evils, damnation, or other punishment. Contrary they are against the silent hierarchical Roman Church, who wants to do a cover-up operation. They do not want to sweep the many child sex abuses under the carpet. They want to make an end to the possible cause of so much damage. Therefore they ask that priests could get a normal sexual life, have a wife and children.
The Roman Catholic Church holds Protestantism as espousing numerous heresies, while some Protestants retrospectively consider Roman Catholicism the “Great Apostasy“.
Today several people do find the makers of the ‘Manifest for believers’ to be priests who use the terminology and ideas of protestants, and therefore should be called protestants and not Catholics any more.
The stressing and enlargement of the role of the laity is being considered one of the main points of protestantism. For the Roman Catholics Ordination is sacred and comprehends that the person who is following the ‘call of God’ becomes consecrated (set apart for the administration of various religious rites) in which he acts as the bride of Christ. Being ‘married’ to Christ he should not have any other woman and abstain from any form of sex or sexual contact, because he has given his full life and body to the Lord. Calling for an ordination of women is desacralising the priesthood, opponents say. For the conservative Roman Catholics the role of the priest and servant of God giving out the sacraments should remain the role that an ordained male person has to fulfil.For the Roman Catholics who shout “everything for Flanders and Flanders for Christ” a layman perhaps could ‘lead’ administratively a parish, but would not be a shepherd. For them the manifestos confuse or mix lay and clergyman with each other. The language of the manifest, using words like “voorgaan” ‘precede in the Sunday celebrations’ or conduct the services and “liturgisch voorganger” ‘liturgical minister’ is protestant talk and not worthy of a Roman Catholic. For the conservatives words as ‘liturgical leader/pastor/minister’ for a priest is not recognising the sacramental holiness of that servant of God. Several Catholics question what those notions mean. For the conservatives a ‘Sunday celebration’ is not Mass per se a Holy Mass or Eucharistic Offering!
The matter brought forward by the Flemish manifesto that not only ordained people who abstain from sex can bless the bread of the Lord’s Supper and say “This is my body” after which they may hand out the symbol of Christ his Body and Sacrifice is for the conservative Catholics also degrading the Holy Sacrament and blasphemy. *
Their call also to become all, men and women, workers in Christ, is considered an awful protestant idea.
From the homily of Pope Bendict XVI (11 June 2010): “The Church too must use the shepherd’s rod, the rod with which he protects the faith against those who falsify it, against currents which lead the flock astray. The use of the rod can actually be a service of love. Today we can see that it has nothing to do with love when conduct unworthy of the priestly life is tolerated. Nor does it have to do with love if heresy is allowed to spread and the faith twisted and chipped away.”
The conservatives do find that a lay men can not bring a sermon because according to the Roman Catholic Church such a task is only for the ordained, priest, bishop, cardinal or Pope. “Lay may not may preach. Point. A sermon is not ‘the word Gods’, but an explanation by the H. Gospel” the Catholic Action says and therefore the writers of the manifest asking to have laymen also to be able to preach is one more reason they are heretics.
In the next chapter we shall look at the reaction about disrespect for the body of Christ the believers who take the word have, according to the conservatives who are fed up with the idea that ordinary man put their hands in the goblet with the Holy Host. Certainly women keep off their hands from the tabernacle! the conservatives say.
In the next chapter we shall see why for the dis-pleasured the matter of the Eucharist and the believe in transubstantiation is so important for the Roman Catholic believe. While the writers of the manifest give the impression they want to dispose of some dogmatic laws which were not in the church of the first centuries of this time, the conservatives hold fast to the historic popes like Pope Innocent III and Paul VI .
According to Staf de Wilde the Catholic church is standing in front of a firm dogmatism and for a pyramidal, say dictatorial structure in which the basis church has to squeak little or nothing. Him remains it surprising that critical religious people within this institute wishes to remain active. According to him an organized belief community does not really has to be church with the qualities of the church of Rome. And as you take away these qualities, then you hold something else over: something resembling the original Christianity perhaps, at that time there did not exist yet an infallible pope and yet no dogmas.
Ignace D’Hert, Dominican and instructor theology at the Higher Institute for Religious Science in Antwerp; Marc Van Tent oblate and former instructor theology at the Centre for Ecclesiastic Studies in Louvain and the Higher Institute for Religious Science in Ganshoren; Eddy Van Waelderen, priest of the diocese Antwerp and many years active as theologian on the Theological and Pastoral Centre in Antwerp, were some of the first theologians that signed the manifesto “Believers take the word” . When these Catholic theologians may not bring in a contribution the mental world of the Catholicism in Flanders, may wonder one self who may well do. Were orthodoxy is for them remaining to seek in fidelity to new sense coming from the Jesus-happening lighting up in the variable circumstances of life. According to me that holds not in that they reject therefore that Catholic Belief.
Today we hear the Flemish priests and serious Christian believers of the Catholic Religion call for some reform. They let Belgium hear their protest about what happened in the Roman Catholic Church in Belgium and how it is degrading or falling to pieces. In case you would call such whistle blowers who protest against a situation “Protestants’, than perhaps you could consider them belonging to the “Protestants’, but because they have no similar teachings as those of the ‘protestants’ of the ‘Protestant Church’ they can never belong to the Protestant Church as such. They may engage in prolonged efforts to make their early efforts intelligible to Rome but they are not aiming to spawn separate movements in their own names. On the other hand we do seem some thoughts to get the people liberated from the mediation of sacramental and clerical system and to give them a freer experience of grace.
An other protestant twinge is their act to want to go more to the Biblical teachings instead preferring to keep to human doctrinal laws. We can notice that they manifesters turned to the Bible for guidance about church governance.
They are still real integer Catholics who want to bring a signal to save the Roman Catholic Church. As in both the Protestant and Catholic Church those people serving those churches should in first instance bringing over Gods Word. They should proclaim the Good News. It should be about the Sacrificial Offer by Jesus. Both have to talk about atonement and reconciliation.
The believers who took the word rang the alarm-bell but did not commit treason to their Roman Catholic Faith. These signatories of the manifesto agree that it is not simple to face those differences which came to light now. The differences that came onto the surface may have lingered already for many years, though those in charge of the Belgian Catholic Church did not want to face them. It will not be easy to go about with the differences on a sober and evangelic manner. Plurality becomes quick disunion. That makes it so difficult in our chaotic world to hold in front the vision of someone else, and to experience it full of joy.
“Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptised into {Or in; also in verse 15} the name of Paul?” (1 Corinthians 1:13 NIV) asked Paul already at the torn municipality of Corinth.
All ought to yield the courage with each other over these fundamentally different views, to come in dialogue. With an open mind and without fear for mutual questioning.
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* God can not die, but Jesus, being a man could die but only once. A “re-sacrifice” of Jesus Christ for our sins, or a “re-offering / re-presentation” of His sacrifice is not necessary. Scripture says, that Jesus died “once for all” and does not need to be sacrificed again (Hebrews 10:10; 1 Peter 3:18). Hebrews 7:27 declares, “Unlike the other high priests, He (Jesus) does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when He offered Himself.” The bread and the wine are symbols of the body and blood of Jesus, but are not a representation of God nor His body or his blood (Because God is a ghost and has no body or blood as human beings.) The bread Jesus was breaking represented what he was going to do. The same for the wine he gave them – his blood hadn’t yet been shed, but the wine represented the blood that would be shed. These words were not meant to be taken in a literal sense then, nor are they now.
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To be continued: Manifests for believers #4 Eucharist + Manifests for believers #5 Christian Union
Preceding article: Manifests for believers #2 Changing celibacy requirement
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Please do find to read:
- A Call for National Dialogue on the Future of Priestly Ministry
- Celibacy and the Priesthood
- Bishop of Derry calls for end to celibacy in Catholic church
- Tracing the Glorious Origins of Priestly Celibacy
- Is Jesus Christ actually present in the bread and wine of the Eucharist/communion?
The Lord’s supper is done both to help Christians remember what Jesus has done, and also to proclaim what Jesus has done (‘For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes’: 1 Cor. 11:26). - What is Holy Communion? Why is it necessary to a Christian’s life?Children ate the OT passover so why not NT bread and wine?Are the bread and wine just symbols, or are they really Jesus flesh and blood?Why did Jesus say he wouldn’t drink wine again until the kingdom when he ate and drank other things? (Mark 14:25)Why wasn’t the lying prophet killed? (1 Kings 13)
- What is transubstantiation?
In Dutch:
- Beminde gelovigen
- Gelovigen nemen het woord: Manifest van Vlaamse gelovigen Najaar 2011
- Een Manifest voor Gelovigen
- Manifest tot protestantse kerk
- Manifestanten Protestant of Katholiek
- Manifest: [On-]Gelovigen nemen het woord
- Terecht scherpe kritiek op “Manifest Gelovigen nemen het woord”
- Alfabetische lijst van 8.228 ketters in Vlaanderen
- Mgr. Johan Bonny, bisschop van Antwerpen: ‘Ik versta verzuchtingen van het manifest Gelovigen nemen het woord ‘
- Theoloog Stijn Van den Bossche:’Woord- en communiediensten zijn niet de eerste oplossing’
- Manifest: Wij kiezen voor eenheid
- Gelovigen ‘nemen’ het woord niet… Gelovigen ‘AANVAARDEN’ het Woord
- Manifest voor het Katholieke Geloof: http://www.petities24.com/gelovigen_aanvaarden_het_woord
- Schisma in de Vlaamse Kerkhttp://kavlaanderen.blogspot.com/2011/11/schisma-in-de-vlaamse-kerk.html
- Werkdruk te hoog voor priesters
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- The Catholic Church (theobamacrat.com)
Recently, the catholic leadership came out in opposition to the mandate in our new healthcare law that all health insurance providers offer coverage for prescribed birth control, even for employees in some catholic institutions. But, let’s be clear about what the real issue is here. It is not about government controls, and it is not about infringement of our religious beliefs. It is about a church that has lost touch with reality. The leadership of the catholic church either is ignoring or is unaware of the disconnect between catholic teaching and catholic reality.
- Unholy War (annem040359.wordpress.com)
In the last couple of weeks, the President Barack Hussein Obama White House, like hitting a bald face hornets nest during the daytime when it ought to know better, “declared war” on not only the Roman Catholic bishops in the United States, but also the Roman Catholic Church in the United States of America. - Catholic Church ready to declare war on Obama (promoteliberty.wordpress.com)
From the campaign trail last month, GOP contender Newt Gingrich said US President Barack Obama had declared a “war on the Catholic Church.” Some clergy have heard that call and are warning the president: look out, we’re ready to rumble. - Gulf Exists Between Catholic Bishops And Laity On Contraception (lezgetreal.com)
For those who do not grasp the significance of the gulf between the Catholic Bishops and the Catholic laity, what eventually happens is that the laity will drift away from the Bishops. The recent decision by the Obama Administration to require Catholic owned businesses- schools, hospitals and so forth- to carry healthcare choices that cover contraception has the bishops up in arms, but not the laity. - Catholic Church ready to declare war on Obama (rt.com)
“It’s not about contraception. It’s about the right of conscience,” Archbishop Timothy Dolan tells reporters. “The government doesn’t have the right to butt into the internal governance and teachings of the church,” he insists.“Never before has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to go out into the marketplace and buy a product that violates their conscience,” adds Dolan. “This shouldn’t happen in a land where free exercise of religion ranks first in the Bill of Rights.”
- US Catholic Bishops Don’t Know Their Congregants (lezgetreal.com)
The statement issued by the Bishops called contraception against “the mandate of Jesus Christ.” They pulled that one out of their fancy hats. Christ said very little about sexuality and nothing whatsoever about preventing pregnancy. Only the leaders of the church have ever addressed the issues, and did so from some very warped personal positions. They were also the ones who said that clergy should be celibate. They just assumed that since no one bothered to mention any wives that the Apostles might have had, that there weren’t any. - Grimm And Murphy Spar Over Obama Contraception Plan (timesunion.com)
Mr. Murphy also had less-than-kind words for Mr. Grimm’s approach to the issue.“Once again, when faced with controversy, my opponent is playing the Washington game of seeking publicity and creating division instead of seeking a workable solution,” he said.
- Nancy Pelosi: ‘I am going to stick with fellow Catholics’ in Pres. Obama’s war on Catholics. Wherein Fr. Z rants. (wdtprs.com)
Even as the United States’ Catholic bishops have launched an all-out campaign against the Obama administration’s birth control mandate and urged their flocks to resistance, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has invoked the support of “fellow Catholics” to justify her position in favor of the mandate.
Manifests for believers #2 Changing celibacy requirement
In the previous article Manifests for believers #1 Sex abuse setting fire to the powder we saw that the role of the priest in the child and adult abuse has included cover-ups, neglect, and arrogance. In documents of the church, letters between victims and church, and in the media we could find enough proof the Church has contributed to the spirit of permissiveness. First there were not many attempts to bring everything in good order and to show guilt and reconciliation attempts have resulted in compromises that allowed for the deviancy to continue.
For decades, the problem of paedophilia has been badly managed within the church and now that everything comes out of the cesspool this brought the church in discredit and got even more people leaving their church and their faith. Some wonder if you can you blame Catholics for leaving the faith when these types of attitudes run rampant in the church? The problem becomes bigger when they do take it that “the Church” is bad and that they should not go to any church or return to the Catholic Church because they get the impression that nothing is being done to prevent abuse from happening. It certainly doesn’t seem that the Catholic church has a screening process that will eliminate paedophiles and child molesters.
Steven van der Hoeven talks about his book in which he describes how the sexual abuse he suffered as a child changed his life - Photo Vera de Kok
The atheist Child & Family Therapist Katie from British Columbia, Canada, works professionally with children who have experienced sexual abuse and she is by no means claiming that most sexual abuse happens within the confines of religion, because it doesn’t. “However, religion has the tendency to override rationality and good judgment.” according to her. * “Parents need to acknowledge that religion does not make you any more moral than others and that bad people will do bad things… so teach your children to recognize those people.” And that is what we do agree with; everywhere you can find extreme cases and people who do the wrong things. It has nothing to do with God, except that you would call Him guilty of giving men free spirit and allowed him to do whatever he wanted.
Also the problem of priests not being able to marry made that many who wanted to do some churchwork did not come forward to offer their life for the Church.
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The very planet revolves around actions, thoughts, and words that are fueled by ethics. By the years people and situations change.
With all the tribulations and sex scandals many have lost their faith. Many do claim God for what happens in the world, but then they forget that at the beginning of the world-existence God had given men liberty to go his own way. The first humans had doubted the good meaning of the Creator. They challenged Him and wanted to know the Good and the Evil. They wanted to know as much as God and wanted to direct their own thoughts and life. God did not want to play a dictator to whom everybody had to listen other-while he would vanish. But now that humankind wanted to go its own way it had to bear the consequences of its deeds itself and can not blame God because other humans do something wrong.
If a person lives a holy life and believes in God, he would be better off weather there was a god or not, because his life would be much happier and honourable. The same goes for ethics. If someone lives an ethical life, he or she is destined to be much happier than people who do not follow ethics.
But those ethics have to be fed.
In all religions there exists a connection between religious doctrine and social ethics. In Christianity one of the goals is the establishment of a holy, organized society, ideally based on eternal principles of righteousness and fair dealing, cleanliness and sobriety, honesty and helpfulness. Ethics have an impact on an individual, and they should come out of the Word of God for those who want to spread the Word of God. In such an instance they should work on their character and should try to live according to the Laws of God. The laws governing human conduct in the Bible define both social and economic justice, and the pursuit of a good life in society. Born out of the Judaic system with Hebrew code, the Christianic code of social ethics sets also forth spiritual guidelines regarding lawful and unlawful actions, and rewards for the virtuous and threats of punishment for the wicked.
A community should have people who take care to look at ways of living and to talk about them. There should be people in the world who would not mind helping others to find a good way of living, and to protect those who are not able to come up for them selves. In the previous centuries churches have taken most of that role on to them. But now the church has come in discredit.
Therefore, though the storm is not yet at its height, it can well be that the Roman Catholic Church has shot his bolt.
The Roman Catholic Church has always proclaimed that it is the only Church which offers “special” access to salvation, by way of truly God’s servants. But those bulletproof servants have received a real good roasting the last few months.Today several Belgian believers, priests and even bishops do find that since the requirement for celibacy is not a doctrinal issue or dogma, but more of a disciplinary rule, there is no reason why this requirement cannot be amended to reflect the changing times. The majority of parishioners, including many members in the hierarchy of the Church, believe that changing the celibacy requirement may prevent abuse from happening in the first place (National Catholic Reporter, 1998). Because of the decline in those entering the priesthood, there are fewer priests to serve their communities.
The discipline by which some, or all members of the clergy in certain religions, are required to be unmarried is not any more for this time. Considering deliberate sexual thoughts, feelings, and behaviour outside of marriage to be sinful, clerical celibacy also requires abstention from these, and as history has shown that does not seem to work on a lot of ‘spiritual men’. That the Roman Catholic Church demands sacred ministers celibacy because than they would be more able to adhere more easily to Christ with an undivided heart and dedicate themselves more freely to the service of God and humanity, is a superseded idea.
It is long our of date that people would not be able to do their job properly when they are married. As for a worldly job, the spiritual job can even make more use of the inside information a married person can get from the family members and his situation in a common form of living together.
In some Christian churches, such as the Latin Rite Catholic Church and some Eastern Catholic Churches, priests and bishops must as a rule remain unmarried, while in others, such as the Eastern Orthodox Church, the churches of Oriental Orthodoxy and some of the Eastern Catholic Churches, married men may be ordained as deacons or priests, but may not remarry if their wife dies. Since celibacy is seen as a consequence of the obligation of continence, it implies abstinence from sexual relationships. The Catholic Code of Canon Law prescribes: “Clerics are to behave with due prudence towards persons whose company can endanger their obligation to observe continence or give rise to scandal among the faithful.”
People should know that the rule of clerical celibacy is a law of the Church (the human institution) itself, not a doctrine and can not be found as a Biblical obligation. According to the Roman Catholic Church, a very few times exceptions can be made, and it can, in principle, be changed at any time by the Pope. Nonetheless, both the present Pope, Benedict XVI, and his predecessor, under pressure to change it, spoke clearly of their understanding that the traditional practice is unlikely to change.
Clerical celibacy and monastic vows, made in Roman Catholic, Anglican, and Eastern Orthodox Churches, deprived the church of the services of many men who might have become shining stars. On the other hand, it has been calculated by Justus Möser in 1750, that within two centuries after the Reformationfrom ten to fifteen millions of human beings in all lands owe their existence to the abolition of clerical celibacy. {Ranke states this fact.} More important than this numerical increase is the fact that an unusual proportion of eminent scholars and useful men in church and state were descended from clerical families. Among distinguished sons of clergymen may be named Linné, the botanist; Berzelius, the chemist; Pufendorf, the lawyer; Schelling, the philosopher; Buxtorff, the Orientalist; Euler, the mathematician; Agassiz, the scientist; Edward and Ottfried Müller, the classical philologists; John von Müller, Spittler, Heeren, Mommsen, Bancroft, among historians; Henry Clay, Senator Evarts, and two Presidents of the United States, Arthur and Cleveland, among statesmen; Charles Wesley, Gellert, Wieland, Lessing, the brothers Schlegel, Jean Paul, Emanuel Geibel, Emerson (also the female writers Meta Heusser, Elizabeth Prentiss, Mrs. Stowe), among poets; John Wesley, Monod, Krummacher, Spurgeon, H. W. Beecher, R. S. Storrs, among preachers; Jonathan Edwards, Schleiermacher, Hengstenberg, Nitzsch, Julius Müller, Dorner, Dean Stanley, among divines; Swedenborg, the seer; with a large number of prominent and useful clergymen, lawyers, and physicians, in all Protestant countries.*Many dioceses engage in the morally questionable practice of importing priests from the developing world despite even more severe priest shortages in those countries.
In recent years Pope Benedict XVI has made allowances for married Anglican ministers to transfer to the Catholic church after a number made the move in protest at controversial Anglican issues including the ordination of women priests, and acceptance of ministers in same-sex relationships. In 1980 married Anglican/Episcopal pastors were ordained as catholic priests in the U.S.; also in Canada and England in 1994, while simultaneously dismissing Catholic priests who marry and failing to recognize the vocations of Catholic married men. Some bishops are changing priests’ retirement age from 70 to 75. Many are embracing several of these strategies simultaneously yet none will arrest the steep declines looming ahead.
The stubborn Belgian knows the ropes and the celibate is something which is already sticking in his throat to long. They are at their wits’end what to do with it and with the scandals the church had to encounter. The clergy men became upset by the conservative and silent attitude of the Church leaders in Rome. According to many it is a myth that the vocation shortage is due to materialism and lack of faith. Research (1985 Lilly endowment) showed that “there is no evidence to support loss of faith for less vocations…youth volunteer and campus ministry is rising.”
The Bishop of Bruges, Jozef De Kesel, has questioned celibacy for priests and called for an open discussion on the position of women in the Church. The bishop of Hasselt, Patrick Hoogmartens and Bishop Johan Bonny of Antwerp have also said that married men should not automatically be excluded from the priesthood. (Reuters,9/22/10)
In several countries there is a “Call To Action and FutureChurch” from Catholic lay people as well as priests and nuns, who respect the Catholic tradition and are working respectfully to effect change in the Church because they love it and want to make it better. Those ‘FutureChurch‘ members consider themselves parish-based because the resolutions which founded that church came from individual parishes and because so many of their members consider the parish their primary place of worship.
Jesus did not ordain anyone. Ordination was a practice that started to occur decades later in church history. Jesus had both male and female disciples and those who helped to spread the faith were men and women, who often had regular jobs and children. It were people who gathered around Jesus and went back to their own places to tell about this special man. Others became so much interested in the teachings of this master teacher from Nazareth that they loved to spread his teachings. Men and women continued to teach what they had learned from either Jesus or from his disciples. It were common people who continued the tradition of spreading the Word of God by coming together in each others houses or in synagogues. (So at first there where not even special build places to meet and to have the worship services.) Later when they were not welcome any more in the synagogues and their private houses became to small they came together in public places or they build meeting houses or ecclesiae to congregate , gather or meet.The Flemish priests who were not afraid to let the Roman Catholic world hear their voice believe as many other priests in the world, that priests should be allowed to marry and that women have an equal right to have their call to ordination tested along with male candidates. Some of them believe also that celibacy is a gift of the Spirit, as is the call to marriage and the single life. Gifts cannot be mandated, so it is from a deep respect for the gift of celibacy that they request that it be made optional and not forced upon those who do not feel called in this way.
At the end of 2011 more Belgian priests urged Catholics and compatriots to start talking about what the priest shortage means to them and their parishes. Some ideas were written down in ‘A Manifest for Believers‘ so that the subject would become more known and that the public debate could bes started. By the manifest they want to encourage the formation of dialogue groups in parishes and small faith communities.
According to a survey taken between December, 2010 and January, 2011, seven out of ten Flemish priests are against celibacy for priests, are for the access of women to the priesthood, (La Croix, 2/19/2011)
The Belgian Manifesto urges the bishops to find solutions to the priest shortage and open discussion about ending mandatory celibacy as a requirement for the diocesan priesthood.
It may be a surprise that still so many people want to go for that institute which has received so much damage from people who were in charge of it. Strange also that they keep clinging at this institute which has betrayed so many people. The manifesto can be an expression of a liberation movement. In civic culture we have seen the emancipation movement, and now perhaps time has come that we get such an emancipation movement in church as well.
But can this corroded pre-eminently paternalistic institute take off its ‘old garments ‘ and transform itself in a contemporary, modern belief community, characterized by a basic democracy.
In this 21st century the Roman Catholic Church still seems to be a nearly dictatorial institution which by requiring at least some of its clerics and its religious not to marry, the Catholic Church falls under Paul’s condemnation in 1 Timothy 4:3 against apostates who “forbid marriage.”
The Catholic Bible writes: “the spirit expressly states that in the \@acharit-hayamim\@ some people will apostatize from the faith by paying attention to deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. such teachings come from the hypocrisy of liars whose own consciences have been burned, as if with a red-hot branding iron. they forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods which god created to be eaten with thanksgiving by those who have come to trust and to know the truth. for everything created by god is good, and nothing received with thanksgiving needs to be rejected, because the word of god and prayer make it holy.” (1 Timothy 4:1-5 CJB)
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“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.” (1 Timothy 4:1-5 NIV)
God has created man and woman, told them to live with each other, to marry and have children. So why is it forbidden to those men and women to choose somebody of the other sex, marry, live with each other and have children from each other?
In the old times most Catholics married, but today most live together without having had a marriage, tough all Catholics are taught to venerate marriage as a holy institution—a sacrament, an action of God upon their souls; one of the holiest things we encounter in this life. A lot of Belgian Catholics also quite often switch partner. But the servants of God should know the Laws of God and should be the first ones to keep to them. According to the Laws of God the man or the woman who does not keep to the Laws of God and has not an ethic acceptable good honest life, should not be allowed to do some church work. In the New Testament are several writings were we can find women and man teaching the Good News of the coming Kingdom of God, and also writings from the apostles how they have to comply to the Law and how they have to comply with certain expectations. So, in the early church also women had their tasks and helped the church grow.
Even the old Father Edward Daly, who was the Bishop of Derry for 20 years during the Troubles, has become the first senior Irish Catholic cleric to call for an end to celibacy in the church. His intervention in the debate over whether priests should be allowed to marry is highly significant because he is still one of the most respected figures in the Irish Catholic church at a time when faith in the institution has been shattered by the paedophile scandals involving clergy. Challenging centuries of Catholic theocracy, Daly has said that allowing the clergy to marry would solve some of the church’s problems. “There will always be a place in the church for a celibate priesthood, but there should also be a place for a married priesthood in the church,” Daly writes in his book A Troubled See, Memoirs of a Derry Bishop, published in September 2011.
While Daly accepts he might be out of step with current Vatican thinking he points out that he is “not engaged in a popularity contest”. He says that during his time as a bishop he found it “heartbreaking” that so many priests or prospective priests were forced to resign or were unable to get ordained because of the celibacy issue.
Many young men who once considered joining the priesthood turned away because of the rule, the 74-year-old cleric argues. From most people who were interested to become a priest, but did not follow their vocation, the rule of celibacy was the main reason not to go for it. Because of that we do have to face the catastrophic shortage of priests and see a serious neglect of the Eucharist, and a widespread breakdown of pastoral care.
Merging parishes into “pastoral units” did offer less services to the believers who became less interested in worshipping in a far away church, ministered to by badly overworked priests who did seem to have lost the zeal and interest as well.
And this is something we can hear in many countries.
Though parishioners not receiving enough opportunities to go to mass or take part of the sacraments is against other writings in the Catholic Faith.
“Mother Church earnestly desires that all the faithful should be led to that full, conscious, and active participation in liturgical celebrations which is demanded by the very nature of the liturgy, and to which the Christian people, ‘a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a redeemed people,’ have a right and an obligation by reason of their Baptism.” (Sacrosanctum Concilium)
“The laity have the right, as do all Christians, to receive in abundance from their sacred pastors the spiritual goods of the Church, especially the assistance of the Word of God and the sacraments.” (Lumen Gentium, 37).
“Christ’s faithful are at liberty to make known their needs, especially their spiritual needs, and their wishes to the Pastors of the Church.”(Canon Law 212.2 )
“They have the right, indeed at times the duty, in keeping with their knowledge, competence and position, to manifest to the sacred Pastors their views on matters which concern the good of the Church.” (Canon Law 212.3 )
Today that Church is not willing to provide the means to take care of their believers. In many villages there are no regular church services any more. At the village were our office is there is only once a month a service with Eucharist. It is for such bad situations the priest ring the Alarm and want that the Roman Catholic Church does everything to let the parishes to stay open and the Eucharist to remain the centre of Catholic worship.
Internationally there is already a ” Save our Parish Community project” that has helped parishioners hold their bishops accountable by appealing mistaken decisions to close their vital, solvent parishes because of the priest shortage.
The Flemish priests and several important political and civilian figures plead in favour of having as well married men as women being permitted as priest in the Church office. They do hope the permission shall be given very soon, because there is an acute shortage of priests and those who want to do some religious work are now so much-needed.
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*of Intro: Child Sexual Abuse within the Dutch Catholic Church
* Reflections on Clerical Family Life
To be continued: Manifests for believers #3 Catholic versus Protestant
Preceding article: Manifests for believers #1 Sex abuse setting fire to the powder
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Read also:
- A Call for National Dialogue on the Future of Priestly Ministry
- Celibacy and the Priesthood
- Bishop of Derry calls for end to celibacy in Catholic church
- Tracing the Glorious Origins of Priestly Celibacy
In Dutch:
- Beminde gelovigen
- Gelovigen nemen het woord: Manifest van Vlaamse gelovigen Najaar 2011
- Een Manifest voor Gelovigen
- Manifest tot protestantse kerk
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Like many Roman Catholic men who feel called to the priesthood, the Rev. Jim Hearne wrestled with whether ordination was right for him.The youngest of seven in an Irish Catholic family, he saw the joy of family life firsthand and never could quite extinguish the desire to one day have children of his own.But spurred to help stem the priest shortage and strengthen the integrity of the cloth, Hearne donned a priest’s collar in 2005 at age 25.Now he wonders if his six years in the pulpit as “Father Jim” might have been preparation to become Jim, the father.
+“They can teach you all they want” about celibacy, he said. “You can read all the books about it that have been printed _ volumes and volumes. Until you live it and experience it, it’s a far different thing.”Returning to the rectory after a busy day of work or a joyful day with family became increasingly difficult.“There was something nice about entering into the quiet rectory. But there was also something kind of sombering,” he said. “No one was there waiting for me. It was silent.” - The 6th Floor Blog: Reintroducing Joe Eszterhas (6thfloor.blogs.nytimes.com)
The church’s position on homosexuality is awful and hypocritical, antimoral, especially when you consider that such a huge percentage of priests are gay. It’s just nuts, as is the church’s position on celibacy. There are reasons why the Catholic church is dying. - LA Bishop With Secret Family Resigns (newser.com)
A Los Angeles bishop has resigned after he revealed to his superiors that he has a secret family. Mexican-born Auxiliary Bishop Gabino Zavala, 60, is the father of two teenage children who live with their mother in another state, reports the BBC.
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“It’s self-evident—celibacy does not work,” said Father Richard McBrien, a professor of theology at the University of Notre Dame. - Being a Catholic Priest – and Married (frstephensmuts.wordpress.com)
My experience as a married Catholic priest for 28 years brings to mind several thoughts, both practical and spiritual. First, the church must support new priests’ families financially. During my first years as a married Catholic priest, there were times when we could not pay the heating bill. When I was ordained, it was made quite clear to me that I should not look to the church as my main source of income but rather to a full-time job outside of the church. My parish duties have thus always been secondary.
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I am a firm supporter of the celibacy of the Catholic clergy. Its basis is not found in councils or popes but rather in the person of Jesus Christ. The heart of the Catholic priesthood is sacrifice, and celibacy, in imitation of Christ, frees the priest to give himself totally to the church and its people.
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Reform of the priesthood is sorely needed today. The answer is not married priests. The answer is priests who understand the sacrifice that is at the center of their lives—whether they are married or not… - Vatican warns on sex abuse (smh.com.au)
The Vatican has asked national bishops’ conferences from around the world to submit by May their guidelines on how to deal with abusive priests and co-operate with local law enforcement.”In some cultures, it’s hard for victims to come forward. We are debating how to change a culture that favours silence over denunciation,” he said. - Thousands abused by Dutch priests, says report (windsorstar.com)
About 20,000 children have been sexually abused by 800 Roman Catholic priests or lay workers in Holland since 1945, an independent inquiry has estimated. - Thousands abused by Dutch priests, says report (vancouversun.com)
- Tens of thousands of children abused in Dutch Catholic institutions, report says (mumbailaity.wordpress.com)
Children in institutional care, regardless of religious affiliation, in the Netherlands were at substantial risk of being abused during the period, the molestation rate – 20% – being twice that of elsewhere. The investigation led by Wim Deetman concluded that several tens of thousands of children had suffered sexual molestation.
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A powerful “We Are the Church” movement in Austria has gained broad support, challenging the Vatican and raising schismatic potential. Earlier this month in Belgium, a new movement was founded by dissident priests, dubbed “Believers Speak Out”, calling for the ordination of married men and women, the lifting of curbs on divorcees, and other reforms.“The Belgian church is a disaster,” said Father John Dekimpe when launching the new organisation. “If we don’t do something, the exodus of those leaving the church will just never stop.” While officially the church refuses to admit that priestly celibacy is in any way connected with priestly abuse, Deetman on Friday made the link. “We do not consider it impossible that a number of cases would not have happened if celibacy was voluntary,” he said. His report said that compulsory celibacy in the priesthood made priests more likely to engage in “transgressive conduct”.
Manifests for believers #1 Sex abuse setting fire to the powder
In the 50s and 60s of the previous century many acolytes and young boys became confronted with not such a nice site of human nature and his urge to have physical contact. Growing older and not having been able to cope with the old trauma some got up from their quit seat and started to tell tales out of school.
Telling their secret the Roman Catholic Church became once more confronted with the problem of celibacy and sexuality.
These people left disillusioned those churches in which they had faith at first, but those whom they trusted misused their power. They went out from the closed community where their parents at that time had no ears for their unbelievable stories. Though they had already to fight their shame to talk about it with somebody else they did not find an ear at that time to be sympathetic. Many of them a lack of self esteem and also got mental disorders, or after many years having it put away it came up when they got older and started to bother them more. Some dramatic and well-publicized cases involving allegations of childhood sexual abuse have raised very controversial issues, such as the right of children’s testimony and recovered memories of sexual abuse.
As in many other countries it looked as if the church used remote villages to dump their child-molesting priests. Several youngsters took at that time or later in life their own life. In several countries the abusers were specifically sent to certain isolated places “to get them off the grid, where they could do the least amount of damage” to the church’s public image, but in Belgium they still received high places and even got to do important work with youngsters.
At the time of the many boarding schools boys found themselves in the “internaat” its boys dormitory an easy prey, but several were also raped during their private catechism class.
The history of child molestation in the Catholic Church goes back centuries. The first official decree on the subject was written at the Council of Elvira, held around A.D. 305 near Granada, Spain. The precise history is complicated, but the council is traditionally believed to have set down 81 rules for behaviour, the 71st of which is: “Those who sexually abuse boys may not commune even when death approaches.” It was the harshest one-strike policy: If you’re caught abusing a child, you are not only laicized, but permanently excommunicated—damned for all time.*
The problem with sex in the church can be seen by many pops in history who got many wives or many mistresses, until the church found it high time to put some order in the pigsty.
In the history of clerical celibacy conciliar legislation marks the second period during which the law took definite shape both in the East and in the West. The earliest enactment on the subject is that of the Spanish Council of Elvira (between 295 and 302) in canon xxxiii. It imposes celibacy upon the three higher orders of the clergy, bishops, priests, and deacons. If they continue to live with their wives and beget children after their ordination they are to be deposed. This would seem to have been the beginning of the divergence in this matter between East and West.
“As a rule”, remarks Bishop Wordsworth from his anti-celibate standpoint, “the great writers of the fourth and fifth century pressed celibacy as the more excellent way with an unfair and misleading emphasis which led to the gravest and moral mischief and loss of power in the Church.” (The Ministry of Grace, 1902, p. 223).
The Council of Agde in Gaul, in 506, forbade subdeacons to marry, and such synods as those of Orléans in 538 and Tours in 567 prohibited even those already married from continuing to live with their wives.
The synods of the sixth and seventh centuries, while fully recognizing the position of these former wives and according them even the formal designation of female bishops, priestess, deaconess, and subdeaconess (episcopissa, presbytera, diaconissa, subdiaconissa), laid down some very strict rules to guide their relations with their former husbands. The bishopess, as a rule, did not live in the same house with the bishop (see the Council of Tours in 567, can. xiv). For the lower grades actual separation does not seem to have been required, although the Council of Orléans in 541, can. xvii, ordained: “ut sacerdotes sive diacom cum conjugibus suis non habeant commune lectum et cellulam”; while curious regulations were enforced requiring the presence of subordinate clergy in the sleeping apartment of the bishop, archpriest, etc., to prevent all suspicion of scandal (see, e.g., the Council of Tours, in 567), canons xiii and xx).
St. Dunstan, Archbishop of Canterbury from 960 to 988, a period during which the papacy was subjected to oppression and disorder of the worst kind, more than any other character in early English history can be identified with the cause of a celibate clergy . But the seventeenth century, seemingly was not inconsistent with at least ordinary fidelity to their vows of continence.
Before the middle ages it was allowable for Catholic priests to have multiple wives and mistresses (concubines). During the Middle Ages clergy were known to solicit sexual favours from their female penitents and some priests kept concubines. It was also known that Pope Alexander VI had several illegitimate children and that the nuns of Godstow were the ones who spread syphilis to the husbands of the families who lived around their convent (Durant, 1980; Mee, 1972). This type of abuse has continued down through the centuries.
But with concerns for protecting Church property from inheritance Pope Pelagius I made new priests agree offspring could not inherit Church property. Pope Gregory then declared all sons of priests illegitimate (only sons since lowly daughters could not inherit anyway in society).
>> Is this a joke or serious? > “Webster’s dictionary defines catamite as “the youthful lover of an older man derived from the Latin name Catamus.” Catamus was the first Catholic priest, who didn’t even wait until the rock of Lord Jesus‘ tomb was rolled back to get a young boy spread eagle on a altar (a practice that resulted in the early church adopting the name “altar boy.”) The first Pope was so impressed with Catamus’ ability to bugger young altar boys while never losing his place in scripture during service, that he coined the name for the new church “Catholic,” using Catamus’ name and the activity for which Catamus had become notorious. The traditions establish by Catamus have become sacred rites of passage for all Catholic priests, often taking 40-50 years to perfect and master. What once was ostensibly a Christian Church has become little more than a excuse for grown men to wear dresses and bugger young boys – with the so-called “church” offering the vocational perk to its priests of often relocating pedophiles to new parishes so that they may “sample some new flavors.” “(The Landover Baptist Catamite Hotline) <
The other major condemnation of clerical sex abuse was The Book of Gomorrah, completed by radical church reformer Father Peter Damian (a Benedictine monk, as it happens, who became a cardinal) in 1051. He appealed directly to the pope about the abuse of children, as well as consensual sex among clergy—in howling language: “O unheard of crime! O outrage to be mourned with a whole fountain of tears!… What fruitfulness can still be found in the flocks when the shepherd is so deeply sunk in the belly of the devil!”*
In the 15th century there are still 50% of priests married, but at the 1545-63-Council of Trent it was stated that celibacy and virginity are superior to marriage.
The Reformation has changed the moral ideal, and elevated domestic and social life. Philipp Schwartzerdt Melanchthon, collaborator with Martin Luther, the first systematic theologian of the Protestant Reformation, intellectual leader of the Lutheran Reformation, and an influential designer of educational systems, was the first among the Reformers who entered the state of matrimony; but being a layman, he violated no priestly or monastic vow. He married, at the urgent request of his friends, Katharina Krapp, the daughter of the burgomaster of Wittenberg, in November, 1520, and lived with his plain, pious, faithful, and benevolent wife, till her death in 1557. He was seen at times rocking the cradle while reading a book. {C. Schmidt, Philipp Melanchthon, pp. 47 sqq., 617, 710 sqq.}Jean Calvin or John Calvin, the influential French theologian and pastor, was likewise free from the obligation of vows, but the severest and most abstemious among the Reformers. He had the air of being so hostile to celibacy but his first engagement did not turn into a marriage. He knew a good reason why it would not be bad to marry: “If I take a wife it will be because, being better freed from numerous worries, I can devote myself to the Lord.”
He married Idelette de Bure, a widow who had two children from her first marriage of an Anabaptist minister John Storder from Liège. whom he had converted to the Paedobaptist faith or Anabaptism. Calvin’s fellow labourer Martin Bucer had known Idelette and recommended her to Calvin in confidence that she would be the woman who was “chaste, obliging, not fastidious, economical, patient, and careful for (his) health”. Idelette busied herself attending to Calvin in his many illnesses, faithfully visiting the sick and afflicted, and making her home a refuge for those who fled for their lives and their faith. Though she survived the plague when it ravaged Geneva, Idelette died after a lengthy illness in 1549. Calvin had lived with her for nearly nine years, had three children who died in infancy, and remained a widower after her death.
In the 1930s, a priest-psychiatrist—and also a Benedictine—named Reverend Thomas Verner Moore researched the higher-than-usual rates of insanity and alcoholism among Catholic clergy. He suggested the church build an asylum for priests. The U.S. Catholic Bishops turned down his request in 1936. Father Moore became a Carthusian hermit.*
In 1947, Father Gerald Fitzgerald founded the Servants of the Paraclete in Jemez, New Mexico—the same institution Father Poole was to visit almost 50 years later.*
In a 1957 letter to the Bishop of Manchester, Father Fitzgerald wrote that predatory priests (who he euphemistically refers to as “schizophrenic”) cannot be effectively treated and should not be allowed to continue in the ministry:
Their repentance and amendment is superficial and, if not formally at least subconsciously, is motivated by a desire to be again in a position where they can continue their wonted activity. A new diocese means only green pastures… We are amazed to find how often a man who would be behind bars if he were not a priest is entrusted with the cura animarum [the cure, or care, of souls].*
By the early 1960s, Father Fitzgerald had seen enough chronic paedophiles that he did not want to treat them and have them re-released into the ministry, but, as he proposed in a letter to Archbishop Davis, to build an “island retreat… but even an island is too good for these vipers.”*
Cardinal Ratzinger in 2001 issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church’s interests ahead of child safety. The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated. Crimen Sollicitationis was enforced for 20 years by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became Pope Benedict XVI. It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.
Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church.
This culture of secrecy and fear of scandal that led bishops to place the interests of the Catholic Church ahead of the safety of children was a time bomb ticking and last year in Belgium the alarm shook Belgium awake. The Adriaenssens commission published a 200-page report on 10 September 2010. According to the report, the commission heard testimony from 488 complainants, concerning incidents that took place between 1950 and 1990. The report contained testimony from 124 people. Two-thirds of the complainants were men, now aged in their 50s and 60s. {Caroline Caldier, “Belgique : un rapport analyse les conséquences de la pédophilie dans l’Eglise”, France Info, 10 September 2010.+ Radio Canada, “Rapport accablant de l’Église belge”, 10 September 2010, accessed 22 September 2010.}
In 1998 it was reported that a catechism textbook for Belgian children called Roeach 3, edited by Prof. Jef Bulckens of the Catholic University of Leuven and Prof. Frans Lefevre of the Seminary of Bruges, showed comic-book-style pictures of toddlers asking sexual questions and engaging in sexual play, for example: a drawing which showed a naked baby girl saying: “Stroking my pussy makes me feel groovy,” “I like to take my knickers off with friends,” “I want to be in the room when mum and dad have sex.” The drawing also shows a naked little boy and girl that are “playing doctor” and the little boy says: “Look, my willy is big.”

"I like it to fondle my little chink" or "I like to caress my little pussy"
The drawing also showed three pairs of parents. Those with the “correct” attitude reply: “Yes, feeling and stroking those little places is good fun.” In Belgium religion is a compulsory subject and this “catechism textbook” was used in the catechism lessons in the catholic schools, until one day the Irish-Belgian Alexandra Colen, member of Parliament for the Flemish-secessionist party Vlaams Blok (now Vlaams Belang), discovered it among the schoolbooks of her eldest daughter, then 13 years old. On 3 September 1997 she wrote a letter to Cardinal Danneels, saying: “When I see this drawing and its message, I get the distinct impression that this catechism textbook is designed intentionally to make 13 and 14 year olds believe that toddlers enjoy genital stimulation. In this way one breeds pedophiles that sincerely believe that children actually think that what they are doing to them is ‘groovy’, while the opposite is the case.”
After the wife of Paul Belien, the editor of the conservative-libertarian blog The Brussels Journal, started her campaign against the Roeach textbook, many parents contacted her to voice their concerns. Stories of other practices in the Catholic education system poured in. There were schools where children were taught to put condoms over artificial penises and where they had to watch videos showing techniques of masturbation and copulation.
The Belgian Catholic hierarchy stated that the textbook was intended for adolescents, and that the pictures were meant to convey the idea that young children experience lust, a prevalent theory in contemporary psychology. Nevertheless the textbook was withdrawn after public protests by Catholics, which elicited media coverage as well as support from Church officials around the world.
Over the last decade Belgian society has become increasingly aware of the problem of abuse and neglect of children. Several court cases, and the ensuing media coverage, has brought the discussion to the public forum.In 2010 Peter Adriaenssens said cases of abuse, mostly involving minors, had been found in nearly every diocese, and 13 alleged victims had committed suicide.
The child psychiatrist, who has worked with trauma victims for 23 years, said nothing had prepared him for the stories of abuse, which multiplied as former abusers gave testimony.
“We saw how priests, called up by the commission and asked to help seek the truth, were willing to set up the list of 10, 15, 20 victims they abused during boarding school while the commission knew only of one,” he said.
Many alleged victims came forward to testify to the commission after the Bishop of Bruges, Roger Vangheluwe, resigned in 2010, admitting to having sexually abused a boy before and after becoming a bishop.
The commission also stressed that sexual abuse happened within all religions and organisations, but sufficient evidence is provided to suggest that crimes have been consistently covered up. Repeated denial by the church is hardly credible in the face of evidence provided by independent investigations.

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Unfortunately, however, the Roman Catholic Church tried to minimise the happenings deny all charges at first but when more and more documents could proof the charges they came up with all different stories to defend their clergymen.
Other situations where clerics have sexually acted out with adult women and men, nuns and seminarians, have not been looked at; nor the effect on any offspring they may have sired in the process. For that matter, the personal cost to victims and their families remains uncounted. How many lives destroyed through alcohol, drugs, unsafe sex or violence have there been? How much abuse has been repeated by its victims? How many suicides and ruined families? How can the total cost ever be calculated?
In any case the Roman Catholic Church lost all her credibility with the many scandals and her trying to cover it up.
The whole story made it that the already very empty churches became even more empty, but also started the debate about celibacy. More voices, even from priests and bishops called to have the possibility for a priest to get married and to have a ‘normal sexual life’.
With the call to end celibacy also came the call to give married people, lay men and women.

Child-molestation kept silent by Vatican. - Oh nooo, you are joking! Terrible! The income of the church is dropping by 2%
Statistically 75% of Belgians are called inscribed by the Roman Catholic Church, because the people let their child be baptised. By doing so they are taken into account to have their clergymen being paid by the Belgian government. As elsewhere in Europe, secularization has hit hard in Belgium and the scandals did not help to stop the decline. Sunday church attendance has dropped well below 5% .
In the year 2010, the number ‘ontdopingen’ or the ‘ending of baptism in the Roman Catholic Church’ (a ‘disposal of the baptism’) became multiplied nearly 10 times in Flanders compared to 2009; the total number was in 2010 , 5115 (2009: ca. 626), but that could be even more1because the dioceses Ghent and Mechelen/Malines-Brussels did not yet have all figures. For sure that went up even more in 2011 were people got every day some more surprising facts on radio and television and people openly declaring they were leaving the catholic Church. The most important reason they gave up, was that they could not find themselves no longer in the Catholic Church through the abuse scandals or in the manner on which the church leadership went around with these ‘paedophile crisis’ .
But, the declining number of new priests was the only thing the cardinal and bishops were concerned of. As of 2010, there are about 1,900 priests in the archdiocese of Malines-Brussels, but most of them are either retired or on the verge of retirement. Only two were ordained in 2007. {Robert Mickens, “Where have all the thinkers gone?” (interview), in The Tablet, May 31, 2008: 6-7.}
Though sexual abuse is the most shaming of all abuse and a misuse of power the church had seemed it to happen and thumbed her nose about it. As long as it happened with priests at odd moments and not publicly it did not seem to matter and the world would not have to know about it.
But honestly believing priest who had the urge to have a sex live but did not want to do wrong against Gods Will got no answers to their questions to find a solution and to break with the celibacy. Now that many priest are put in the corner and others became to old to serve properly, the Catholic Church has a real problem in shortage of priests.
Celibacy for the clergy of the Catholic Church is “the renunciation of marriage implicitly or explicitly made, for the more perfect observance of chastity, by all those who receive the Sacrament of Orders in any of the higher grades”. The character of this renunciation is differently understood in the Eastern and in the Western Church.
This law of celibacy often has repeatedly been made the object of attack, but now it got to the apogee. Those preferring that they could marry found now enough reasons to bring it forth. For them denouncing this unscriptural rule would also take away a lot of prejudices thus created. according the Catholic Church the conviction that virginity possesses a higher sanctity and clearer spiritual intuitions, seems to be an instinct planted deep in the heart of man. But common sense breaks with that. “The more holy and exalted we represent the state of marriage to be, the more we justify the married priest in giving the first place in his thoughts to his wife and family and only the second to his work” according to the New Advent Catholic Encyclopaedia.
With Pope St. Leo IX, St. Gregory VII (Hildebrand), and their successors, a determined and successful stand was made against the further spread of corruption, but today we can see that a hidden form of corruption came into existence which was more delicate, more dangerous, and more damaging.
According to Hans Küng the time has come to challenge that celibacy requirement. Celibacy is not solely responsible for these crimes of child abuse but it is the most important structural expression of the Catholic hierarchy’s inhibitions with regard to sexuality, evident also in its attitude toward birth control and other questions that caused a lot of harm. He writes: “Although there is no question that abuse also occurs in families, schools, and youth organizations, as well as in churches that do not have the rule of celibacy, why are there such an extraordinary number of cases specifically in the Catholic church, whose leaders are celibate?
The rule of celibacy is the main reason for the catastrophic shortage of priests, the serious neglect of the Eucharist, and the widespread breakdown of pastoral care—a problem that has been papered over by merging parishes into “pastoral units” ministered to by badly overworked priests.
In previous times the problem for the church was mainly the financial matter. The clergymen or monks in sacred orders who went through the marriage ceremony with any woman, or in which children were born after his ordination claimed to inherit his property upon his death. The church wanted not only a dowry when the person came to be a servant in the church. After the ‘marriage portion’ everything earned while serving had to come back to the church. Having heirs would bring the treasury of the church in danger as well as the position of certain persons, because before the celibacy people inherited also the degree of their father (bishop, cardinal, etc.)
In 1970, the decline in priesthood vocations persuaded nine leading theologians to sign a memorandum declaring that the Catholic leadership “quite simply has a responsibility to take up certain modifications” to the celibacy rule. Extracts from the document were reprinted in January 2011. Not least because one of the signatories was the then Joseph Ratzinger, now pope Benedict.
With modernization and having to be more open, the time has come that the Roman Catholic Church goes back to the first Christians and to what is written in the Holy Scriptures do find also many Belgian catholic priests and even some bishops.
For them the opposition to the law of celibacy, which frequently took the form of open agitation, both in the earlier Middle Ages and again at the Reformation period, not only calls for notice in modern times of such movements, today time is ripe to turn back to first years of Christianity and to accept priest and people who work in the church-community for the congregation, to be married.

Official report on Child abse in the Roman Catholic Church - Eindrapport van de commissie-Deetman
For the Belgian priests in charge today it is clear that ethic is driven by a moral, an idea of what is right and wrong, what should and shouldn’t be, no matter believer or non believer. but for them and for us it is clear that those who want to work for God and proclaim the Good News of the Coming Kingdom, they should even take more care to live according to the Laws of God. In those laws it is not forbidden for men of God to marry, most of the apostles and disciples who worked in the community were married. But it is totally wrong to indulge in sexual acts which or against the normal human condition and which or against the Will of God. Sexual plays with children or people of the own sex or disgusted by the Most High god of gods, who also does not like sluttish attitude.
For the priests the men are normal human beings with their needs. That the Belgian Catholic Church will ask trainee priests to take psychological tests, as it moves to tackle scandals over clerical child abuse, shall not help much.

Belgian commission for treatment of the complaints about sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church - Rapport Adriaenssens
The church may have here internal laws but they should adapt to the times. Today people have a total different attitude then some centuries ago when there had to be called a halt to the sordid sexual life clergy had. Ethic rules are different today, as well as the attitude about relationships. though on that point we notice the ordinary people gone wild and not so much sticking to healthy regimen. The pattern of living of a lot of young people is not exactly a nice pattern of living to be an example.
But the Belgian clergy do have their point to call for change.
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To be continued: Manifests for believers #2 Changing celibacy requirement
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Child-molesting priests:
- Pedophile priests scandal and Roman Catholicism in Belgium + Belgische katholieke kerkprovincie
- A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States
- The Nuns’ Stories
- * The “Pedophile’s Paradise” of which the part of the history of child-molestation is taken. (with thanks to the writer and The Stranger company)
Watch Sex Crimes and the Vatican - Catholic Pedophile Priests: The Effect on US Society + A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States (PDF format)
- Child Abuse in the Catholic Church
- Child abuse report Adriaensens
- Open wounds of the Catholic Church
- The Fall of the Belgian Church byAlexandra Colen member of Parliament for the Flemish-secessionist party Vlaams Blok
- Paedophile Priests Scandal Rocks The Church of Rome
- The World-Wide Scandal of Christian Child Abuse Which The Child Welfare Charities Kept Hidden From Your Gaze

One of the Much spoken about pictures in a religious schoolbook for teenagers
- No congregation escaped Belgian sex abuse. “It’s the Church’s Dutroux,” referring to mid-1990s trauma in Belgium + arrest of serial rapist / child killer Marc Dutroux, serving life for six rapes and four murders. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/11/3009013.htm YouTube Video: Catholic Church Pedophilia Horrors in Belgium more about father Marciel
Vangheluwe’s nephew secretly recorded Danneels pressing him to keep quiet about his uncle at least until he retired next year. “I don’t think you’d do yourself or him a favour by shouting this from the rooftops,” the cardinal warned the victim, who replied angrily that his uncle had abused him for 13 years from the age of five. The recordings were made in April; the bishop resigned 2 weeks later, the most senior clergyman in the Catholic church to have quit after being exposed. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/10/belgium-child-abuse-catholic-church - In Dutch with English fragments > Deel 4 De RK Kerk en de ‘Bedrijfsongevallen’.
- Bewijs dat paus Benedictus loog over kindermisbruik priester
- Meer dan honderd slachtoffers van seksueel misbruik in de jeugdzorg
- Uitkomsten eindrapport schokkend
- Getuigenissen uit het rapport Adriaenssens
On Clerical celibacy:
- Reflections on Clerical Family Life.
- A Brief History of Celibacy in the Catholic Church
- Celibacy and the Priesthood
- Tracing the Glorious Origins of Priestly Celibacy
- Why Celibacy Should Be Abolished
- Celibacy in church- local ministers speak out
Adding to / Aanvullend aan:
- Een Manifest voor Gelovigen
- Manifest Gelovigen nemen het woord
- The Dutch Pdf Gelovigen nemen het woord
Manifest van Vlaamse gelovigen Najaar 2011
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Related articles
- The Ladies Room: The Bible and Child Sexual Abuse by Ressurection Graves (thelifechangeministry.wordpress.com)
How many more religious cases of abuse will happen before we start including sexual abuse and molestation conversation in the church? As a victor of child sexual abuse, and a Christian I just wanted to know if there was any mention at all of sexual abuse as a sin in the bible. We hear so much from the Catholic Church, and from situations in the Baptist, and Non-Denominational Churches. Regardless of sect, we are self identified Christians. Did you know that 93% of predators are religious? - Bill Donahue: PHILLY JUDGE SHOULD STEP DOWN (gloucestercitynews.net)
Common Pleas Court Judge M. Teresa Sarmina said, “Anybody that doesn’t think there is widespread sexual abuse within the Catholic Church is living on another planet.”
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Almost all the problem with priestly sexual abuse occurred between the mid-1960s and the mid-1980s. In other words, the scandal ended a quarter century ago! Are there news stories of a more recent vintage? Yes, but they are not recent cases. The John Jay College of Criminal Justice report last year said, “The most common time period for allegations reported in 2010 was 1970-1974.” Moreover, as Penn State professor Philip Jenkins said in 2010, “Out of 100,000 priests active in the U.S. in this half-century, a cadre of just 149 individuals—one priest out of every 750—accounted for over a quarter of all the allegations of clergy abuse.” In short, there is no widespread problem today. - Sex abuse ‘widespread’ in Catholic Church, Philadelphia judge says (philly.com)
The 124-page document outlines years of allegations against at least 37 clergymen and condemns the church hierarchy for failing to report the claims to police and shuffling the accused between parishes for years. - Child Sexual Abuse within the Dutch Catholic Church (patheos.com)
An independent Commission of Inquirywas conducted recently, investigating historical child sexual abuse within the Dutch Roman Catholic Church.They found tens of thousands of victims and (wait for it) about 800 possible perpetrators over the span of around 60 years. It’s incredible how much “sin” took place in a place that’s supposed to be holy.
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The Dutch Church set up a fund for financial compensations to the victims, scaled based on the nature and severity of the abuse and are making some other attempts at reparation. While I suppose that something is better than nothing, it’s not nearly enough. Acknowledgement and change needs to happen on a much larger scale. - Should Catholics return to an abusive home? (haphazardgirl.wordpress.com)
If you ask a devout Catholic today about the violence that was blessed by the Catholic Church during the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition, they shrug it off and tell you that the current church doesn’t condone such things. They shouldn’t be persecuted for things that happened so long ago. Okay, that’s fair. We shouldn’t blame the current Catholic Church for things that happened many centuries ago. No one alive today is responsible for what went on back then.What about the current abuse in the Catholic Church? Should someone be held responsible for that? According to Catholics Come Home, the church shouldn’t be blamed for that either. All the good they do should cancel out all the bad.
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Can you blame Catholics for leaving the faith when these types of attitudes run rampant in the church? Why should people return to the Catholic Church when it seems that nothing is being done to prevent abuse from happening? It certainly doesn’t seem that the church has a screening process that will eliminate pedophiles and child molesters. - Retired U.S. cardinal dies amid abuse testimony controversy (vancouversun.com)
Child sexual abuse controversies have rocked the Catholic Church in the United States in the past decade, and the church has paid out some $2 billion in settlements to victims, bankrupting a handful of dioceses. The Catholic Church has faced similar controversies over allegations of sexual abuse by priests elsewhere around the world. - Austrian priest publishes names of ex-Catholics (thegreatone22.wordpress.com)
Isn’t it amazing that priests can sodomize boys and girls (mostly boys) and be protected by the corrupt Catholic Church as well as the State? In other words, a child molester can become a priest, sexually abuse kids until caught (if ever) then leave the Church and go about his merry way without a worry in the world! What’s even more amazing is that parents keep paying to send their children to Catholic schools and churches so they can become prey for sexually abusive priests! TGO - Seducing Spirits – Can they live in the church? Pt. 2 (endtimeebookreviews.wordpress.com)
- Seducing Spirits – Can they live in the church? Pt. 2 (pamsheppard.wordpress.com)
Church abuse from pastors and members is the DIRECT result of seducing spirits. Seducing spirits, in the form of religious demons, have taken up office in the organized church.Another manifestation of a seducing spirit is the presence of abuse within a church system, whether it be physical, sexual, emotional, mental, financial or spiritual in nature.
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Creepy, repulsive church abuse is widespread, and has become an epidemic in the organized church. Let me rephrase that. Creepy abominable organized church abuse, has been going on since the days of Christ. Case in point, the crucifixion. We know ALL was God’s plan, but abusive, caustic, abominable, hurtful, lying, thieving Christian leaders were easy to find then, just as they are now. The religious have a seducing spirit. The religious and their comical religiosity, have been taken over by religious demons. They feel quite at home in the organized church. - Seducing Spirits – Can they live in the church? Pt. 2 (endtimeebooklibrary.com)
The ULTIMATE seduction is the seducing-or deceiving-of one into believing a LIE.Then once someone believes the lie, that person is capable of almost committing ANY crime, ANY act…no matter how reprehensible or horrendous!This is how sexual and physical abuse has seemingly been on the increase in the organized church. (It really is just more people are coming out and telling their horror stories of how they have been abused by the church system) - Sex, Celibacy, and Priesthood: A Bishop’s Provocative Inquisition (prweb.com)

Sex, Celibacy, and Priesthood is a pastoral review of the research, sexual activity, and celibacy among Roman Catholic priests. It features heart-wrenching, anonymous, and candid self-disclosures about the sexual behaviors of heterosexual, gay, and bisexual priests. It explores the meaning of celibacy in accordance with Roman Catholic Church teachings, doctrine, and canon law. It is an honest, raw, and frank study of current perspectives on celibacy in light of priestly sexual behaviors. This new book allows for Roman Catholic priests to speak out in their own voices about their struggles and conflicts between celibacy and their sexual activities.
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“Mandatorycelibacy creates a host of problems. This study begins to address them by letting those who live the problems speak for themselves. It is a first step toward shifting the focus from sexuality to duplicity, from hierarchically imposed restrictions to personally embraced commitments. A sobering but useful read for all who want a healthier, holier Catholic community.”Mary Hunt, Catholic feminist theologian; co-founded the Women’s Alliance for Theology Ethics and Ritual (WATER) - Thousands abused by Dutch priests, says report (windsorstar.com)
About 20,000 children have been sexually abused by 800 Roman Catholic priests or lay workers in Holland since 1945, an independent inquiry has estimated.The investigation received 1,800 reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic dioceses, congregations and religious orders.
At least 105 of the alleged abusers are still alive.
Children involved in Church organisations were twice as likely as non-Catholics to be exposed to abuse and the “mild, severe or very severe sexual behaviour” was covered up by senior clergy.
Archbishop Wim Eijk (L) and Dutch Religious Conference KNR chairman Cees van Dam hold a press conference in Zeist on December 16, 2011, after an independent Dutch inquiry into child sexual abuse committed by Catholic priests said today it found "tens of thousands" of victims since 1945, identifying 800 alleged perpetrators. Dutch bishops said they were filled with "shame and sorrow" over the Deetman Commission's findings, the latest allegations of abuse which have rocked the Catholic Church in several countries in recent years. Photograph by: Koen van Weel, AFP/Getty Images













